2g 14b turbo tight budget

[jasjasbinks]

Hi, noob here. i have a 95 2gst a/t stock. i also have a 14b turbo and plan to put it in my 2g. Problem is i have a really tight budget and a 240-250hp goal. below is my super budget setup:

boost gauge
manual boost controller
after BOV (recirc)
stock injectors 450cc
stock fuel system
stock smic

given this setup, will i hit my 240 hp goal? i plan to boost 14-15psi. Is it worth it or should i just sell the turbo back and stick to my t25?

Thanks in advance! let the flaming begin!

 

[rstchris]

Go with the 14b but the install kit for it will eat up half of the budget. You should also invest in a fuel pump then maybe some bolt-ons. Injen claims 18hp with their intake. There is a mods list around here somewhere for newbs to fallow.

 

[jasjasbinks]

thanks for the tip. yes i came across the upgrade path, i was hoping with the tight budget that i have, i could hit 240hp with the 14b w/o the need of fmic and fuel upgrades. i have followed the steps in the upgrade path, except for the catback/turbo back exhaust. the parts i purchased are used and i was thinking if shelling out cash to have them installed is worth 240-250hp.

If couldn't afford the fuel pump upgrade i could always resell them *hopefully* thanks again rstchris!

 

[BoostFrenzy]

Crank horsepower: Yes
Wheel horsepower: No

You really need fuel upgrades to make it. Part of that is because will will need to run a few more pounds of boost. And a better SMIC wouldn't hurt either.

Find:
Evo 8 injectors and fuel pump
Cheap used AFC I or II
MKIV supra SMIC.

Then some sort of logging tool and it will be all set.

 

[jasjasbinks]

Those are hard to come by here in the Philippines but that is what make things sweeter when you find them. In the meantime, i believe it is generally ok to stick to the 240-250hp goal, yes? i plan to keep the a/t too so too much power might cost me to swap to manual

forgot the reason why i wanted to swap out the t25. it's a great turbo since i want my car to be street, its great for overtaking, but when i take her to red line, i don't feel the boost anymore and the car feels more like an N/A. Hopefully the 14b will pull through near the redline, that would be fun

i'm sorry for being such a cheapo, thanks again BoostFrenzy!

 

[BoostFrenzy]

With an auto, for sure not wheel horsepower.

Mitsubishi used the T25 for just that, over taking on the freeway or street and such. It has perfect low and mid range spool. But it is too small to feed a 2L engine to higher RPMS. The 14b will keep the boost pressure higher.

If the T25 is in working condition, keep it on until you can do the upgrade right (and justice). Do a 1g stock oil feed line from the head and a stock return will work just fine too. And, if your coolant feed lines are in okay condition from the stock T25, you can use those too. If not, new OEM ones are cheap.

Like stated before, the more expensive parts is the install kit. Now this isn't normally done right from aftermarket vendors because they will continue to try and feed it from the oil filter housing (WITH the wrong fitting mind you). The correct way is to feed from the head and plug the OFH hole with a 3/8" BSPT plug. This can be found from the dealership. That, and getting a J-pipe to route the upward discharge back down to the side mount location.

Also, you may be able to find some of the parts I listed for sale in China and Japan.

 

[jasjasbinks]

alright, will do. thanks again boostfrenzy for all the help! sticking with the t25 for now

 

[SnprSlick]

The install kit won't cost you much if you score with the 14b. If you get the stock short black jpipe you can use that. And if you get the oil return line all you need is the feed line to the side of the block. The only thing you gotta buy is a plug for the original oil feed line off the filter and new crush washers for the coolant and oil lines. You can stretch your licp onto the jpipe with sone strength and the radiator fans out. That's how I installed my 14b and it runs perfect with no leaks

 

[Bluefire16]

Do you mean 240-250 whp? 240hp is easy...........you just need to turn up a couple pounds, and the 14b is the easiest way to achieve it.

 

[jasjasbinks]

I was hoping for 240-250whp, but i'm not sure if the automatic transmission can handle it. so now i'm gunning for 240-250hp crank. when you installed your 14b, did you upgrade your stock sidemount intercooler? i know it is better if you go front mount but i will lose my fog lights. it may sound weird but i need the fogs. also the fmic will not be helping in the budget department. I've heard that performance of a 14b vs a t25 on a 2g eclipse is night and day, is this true? will 14psi from a 14b put out around 240-250 crank hp?

 

[SnprSlick]

Jas, I have a 97 auto. Running stock boost on the 14b. Stock smic. From what I've read. Running an fmic on a 14b is pointless so you're good with your stock one or you can upgrade to a supra intercooler. Also, see if you can get the oil return pipe and jpipe for the 14b as well as the oil feed line off a 1g(with the banjo bolts). After that you only have to buy crush washers and a plug for the original oil feed location. Preferably the black one. Take a look at my pic. Thats how you use the original jpipe. There's no oil feed line on that one though.

 

[jrohner]

Your goal will probably take a little more boost than that. I don't think you'll be able to run much more boost than that without something to tune with to keep you from fuel cut.

Forget the 'install kit' for the turbo. You can mix the stuff from a 14B and the stuff from your T25 to make the 14B fit your 2G. You should be able to bend the stock 2G water lines to work on the 14B, you can get a j-pipe or use a stock 1G one and rig it up, and you'll need an oil feed fitting or just get the stock 14B 1G steel line and a 3/8 pipe thread plug for your OFH.

 

[jasjasbinks]

so just to clarify, stock boost 14psi (correct me if I'm wrong here) from a 14b will not yield 240hp crank, but will still be better than stock boost of t25? and also, it is safe to run 14b on stock smic, i mean not too much heatsoak? Thanks for your input guys, really appreciate it Right now i only have the 14b turbo sitting in my garage, i'm still saving up and looking for a place to help me with my 14b dreams. the 14b seems to be in good shape, needs cleaning, but no shaft play.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Well 14 psi wasn't the stock boost on a 1g (which is what the 14 b came on). The factory boost was set to 10-11 psi on the 14b. Yes you can turn it up to 14-15 with just a MBC and gauge but it would be recommended to get a Walbro fuel pump (~90 new) and a datalogger before doing so.

With the fuel pump you should be able to raise the boost enough to get ~240hp. The datalogger is just there to make sure you aren't doing any damage to your engine. The factory SMIC is more than enough for your goal.

14b > T-25 anyway you look at it.

 

[ramsack]

10-11 psi is the boost level you get when you run wastegate boost. the 1g runs like 14 psi because it bleeds off pressure from that line with the boost control solenoid. with a 2g being 8.5:1 i see no reason why you can't reach your goals.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Stock boost ranges from 8-14 with 14 obviously being on the high side. 10-11 is "normal" stock boost.

 

[6boltpwr]

check out this site to help remove some of the resrictions of your stock system without upgrading the whole system. injectors and fuel pump is highly recommended for those gains and the stock line is fine. remove and upgrade filter to get rid of the horrible banjo bolts.

by the way if you want i have 660 injectors and a SAFC laying around i will hook you up with for cheap? pm me if you want them.

http://www.stevetek.com/R-FuelSys.html

 

[Nati0nalxCrisis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't stock 2g's have somewhere in the neighboorhood of around 210 hp stock?

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't stock 2g's have somewhere in the neighboorhood of around 210 hp stock?

Yeah, what's your point?

 

[HadesOmega]

Yeah getting rid of that T25 garbage is a good start, you'll be able to make some decent power. I say get 14B and all the install stuff, walbro 190, MBC, some EVO injectors, and a SAFC. That should about do it and exhaust and intake upgrades.

Here are some articles you might find useful:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/191045-budget-dsm-performance.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...2558-14b-install-2g-homebrew-install-kit.html

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

With his goal I don't think that he will need injectors or a SAFC. 14b with a fuel pump and a datalogger like I said earlier should do the trick. Also rewiring the fuel pump would be a good, cheap idea.

With that being said, AFTER you make 250 hp, you WILL want 300hp. Then you can save up and get a bigger exhaust, something to tune with, injectors, fmic, a larger turbo, etc.

 

[toofast82]

Forget the 'install kit' for the turbo. You can mix the stuff from a 14B and the stuff from your T25 to make the 14B fit your 2G. You should be able to bend the stock 2G water lines to work on the 14B, you can get a j-pipe or use a stock 1G one and rig it up, and you'll need an oil feed fitting or just get the stock 14B 1G steel line and a 3/8 pipe thread plug for your OFH.

Try and save yourself some money by doing this.

Also with a fuel pump rewire your stock fuel system should be plenty for 16-18psi on the 14b. The 2g stock fuel pump flows a little more than a 1g one.

Since you may not have access to much more than 91octane fuel where you are at:
You may want to consider going with a water/meth kit. Good kits can be had for ~$200 and should eliminate the need for an upgraded intercooler on the 14b and increase your "effective octane".

I would highly recommend a wideband and at least an SAFC to dial in your a/fs.

 

[jasjasbinks]

alright, i appreciate all your inputs guys! i guess i am sold with the 14b! i was about to sell it but the response i got from this thread revived my 14b dreams, again thanks for all the help!

i'll try to include the fuel pump upgrade, or fuel pump rewire, just to be sure.

6boltpwr: thanks for your offer, but i'm gonna stick with the 450 injectors for now. i'm scared that i might lose my transmission

9!'clipseDOHC: i'm not a really good driver so 300hp might kill me thanks for your help though!

the 14b should give her a little more pep in times of need thanks again guys!

 

[HadesOmega]

Don't worry about losing your transmission the reason the tranny goes bad are from those AWD launches, you've got a GST so you'll just spin em =P

 

[jasjasbinks]

haha that is good to hear, now on to the most important task! saving up money