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Well after the first 10 people said that it was a bad idea you shouldn't of kept asking. That tends to draw a lot of bad reactions when you don't listen to advise when asking for advise. This happens all the time on forums like this. Someone will post a question hoping for the right answer to be what they expect, than when they don't hear what they want they ignore that advice.
 
But your a non turbo guy arent you? So how can you comment on turbos?:confused:
(chuckle chuckle) Even though I tend to specialize in the non turbo 420a doesn't mean that I know nothing about turbo. But you're asking questions about a cam that won't work for your car; turbo or not. In all honesty, there are very few on here who could make that cam work with their vehicles (no to sound too self important, but my car with the 16 to 1 and Dougie's car comes to mind. No others that I can think of. MIGHT be interesting to try with the 12.5 to 1 but I suspect that with the overlap, it would not be worth it).

Oh and when you ASSume stuff you generally look kinda dopey. So I won't tell you about my 567whp 420a turbo. Or my 97 AWD Eclipse with a 2.3 Stroker I built. Or the 9.0 to 1 AWD Talon with an FP Red that I built. Or the 400whp 96 Spyder that I had (which incidentally went AWD a year ago).........and those were just my cars.

Bah, guys, I thought this was just a lost young kid. I'm suspecting more and more that it is a troll. I hate that I wasted my time and effort to help on a troll.

Good day sir..............I said GOOD DAY!

MB
 
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these are always good reads, if nothing else I learned you can't put 292's in a 420a. which owning a 4g isn't going to help me but it was still an entertaining read.

someday I am going to go back to my first cpl post on here a yr ago and see if I sounded like the OP, I pray I didn't but I am sure I did.
 
Listen I'm not being Protestant or stubborn I actually listened to you guys and am looking into stage 2 or 3 cams, and honestly this guy made this work so why cant I? 2G DSM 420A Idle @ 1200 RPM with XPS 292 cams - YouTube

I am trying to ask questions not get told "why do you want to do this?". "Why do you want to do this?" that doesnt answer my question. Why are you guys so dumb?
 
Listen I'm not being Protestant or stubborn I actually listened to you guys and am looking into stage 2 or 3 cams, and honestly this guy made this work so why cant I? 2G DSM 420A Idle @ 1200 RPM with XPS 292 cams - YouTube

I am trying to ask questions not get told "why do you want to do this?". "Why do you want to do this?" that doesnt answer my question. Why are you guys so dumb?

Seriously. IF yo want them buy them. It isn't that the cams won't work at all, it is that they will not make more power with your setup. Sure if you have high compression, a standalone ecu, port work, and other things like that done it will will run and run good, BUT, not in a stock engine. You obviously don't like the answer that you are getting because you keep at it. How about this, if you want them, get them, if you don't, than don't. You are bringing on this ridicule that you were speaking of earlier.
 
I'm quite honestly surprised that a Moderator hasn't locked this thread yet. Or the OP hasn't been banned yet either.
 
Yes I know other mods have to be done but thats not what Im asking. Jesus christ this is not a difficult concept and btw your "wiseman" of nt cars said that camshafts have nothing to do with compression ratio. He is right... somewhat. Camshafts dont effect static compression but they do effect effective or dyanmic compression, whichever you want to call it. So if you think I will ever take anyones advice on this stupit website ever again you are wrong. I got a bad reputation for telling a kid if he wanted to run crazy boost like 30 psi he should switch over to a forged engine block for his 420a. I guess thats a bad idea cause its never smart to put stronger materials in your car is it?
 
Yes I know other mods have to be done but thats not what Im asking. Jesus christ this is not a difficult concept and btw your "wiseman" of nt cars said that camshafts have nothing to do with compression ratio. He is right... somewhat. Camshafts dont effect static compression but they do effect effective or dyanmic compression, whichever you want to call it. So if you think I will ever take anyones advice on this stupit website ever again you are wrong. I got a bad reputation for telling a kid if he wanted to run crazy boost like 30 psi he should switch over to a forged engine block for his 420a. I guess thats a bad idea cause its never smart to put stronger materials in your car is it?

What answer are you looking for? IF they will decrease gas mileage. Of coarse without tuning you will lose gas mileage. You will have very little vacuum which will make the car run very rich. Bu the way calling something stupid and spelling it wrong is a bit silly huh. By the way, where you buy buy 420a forged engine blocks?
 
I have to rev up to 4k allready cause i have no low end torque. But i also misfire...

Can't believe nobody commented on this. You're not even up on your maintenance and if you want to throw on huge cams . Google 2GNT upgrade paths and follow that.
 
You buy forged engine blocks the same place you get NAWZ, i thought you knew LOL, this seriousely is funny.. At first i wanted to explain what people meant by "compression loss" but seeing the OP doens't know the difference between "compression" and "compression ratio", nor the names of what actual engine parts you upgrade or can for that matter even buy that are "forged" when manufactured; I think i'll save the calouses on my finger tips from being used in vein.

I think the OP needs to do a ton of reading on engine basics in general before spouting off the cool names of parts he's heard of in movies or on forums, let alone before giving advice on what some one else should do

If you dont' understant why you got negative reputation for telling some one they need a "forged engine block" then you really have a LOT of learnign to do before thinking about upgrading cams in general,let alone arguing with people that are giving you good advice as to why you shouldn't listen to them and why you're not going to do the things that are "must do" modifications or changes in order to even run cams like that.. and the "Pushing the car downhill to even start" isn't talking about starting the engine, its that you will have such little power that the thing won't take off on it's own power, it has nothing to do with pop starting an engine... until you can understand the difference in compression and compression ratio, and "starting an engine" and "starting off the line", seriousely put the mods on the back burner, get some books and quit listening to people at school for your "learning experience" about engines.. And the Fast and Furious movies were not documentaries, they were entertainment items with very little of their terminology based around

this was only fitting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y2qPm3EW1M&feature=related
 
You can get blocks from dsm graveyard I belive and if not you can always have one fabricated for you.

You buy forged engine blocks the same place you get NAWZ, i thought you knew LOL, this seriousely is funny.. At first i wanted to explain what people meant by "compression loss" but seeing the OP doens't know the difference between "compression" and "compression ratio", nor the names of what actual engine parts you upgrade or can for that matter even buy that are "forged" when manufactured; I think i'll save the calouses on my finger tips from being used in vein.

I think the OP needs to do a ton of reading on engine basics in general before spouting off the cool names of parts he's heard of in movies or on forums, let alone before giving advice on what some one else should do

If you dont' understant why you got negative reputation for telling some one they need a "forged engine block" then you really have a LOT of learnign to do before thinking about upgrading cams in general,let alone arguing with people that are giving you good advice as to why you shouldn't listen to them and why you're not going to do the things that are "must do" modifications or changes in order to even run cams like that.. and the "Pushing the car downhill to even start" isn't talking about starting the engine, its that you will have such little power that the thing won't take off on it's own power, it has nothing to do with pop starting an engine... until you can understand the difference in compression and compression ratio, and "starting an engine" and "starting off the line", seriousely put the mods on the back burner, get some books and quit listening to people at school for your "learning experience" about engines.. And the Fast and Furious movies were not documentaries, they were entertainment items with very little of their terminology based around

this was only fitting
SH!T RICERS SAY - YouTube

Thats a nice video of what this website sounds like.
 
Why are you angry? Did you not get the answer that you are wanting to hear. You were given the best possible information on the situation possible, you argued with everyone about it just like with the iridium plugs and plug wires. If you are going to ask questions than be prepared for an answer. If you don't want an answer than why ask a question. People are taking time out of their days to actually try and help you. You pay them back for their generosity by arguing with the person. If you don't like the advise that you get from the members on the site than you have the option of just not logging on. Now you can go back to taking advise from the local import genius down at autozone.
 
You can get blocks from dsm graveyard I belive and if not you can always have one fabricated for you.

Yes you can get blocks from there, but they are not forged. Mitsubishi has only made so many engines, and those are the only engines out there. The DSM Grave Yard simply finds engines (or takes your old core, you do know what i mean by core right??) and machines it accordingly, installs the type of parts for that particular build, wheather it be cast or forged, and assembles it. Thats what they mean by crate engine. An engine with all the internals built and bolted together. Now of coarse you still need to buy your own fuel rail and turbo, if applicable and what not. Phew! Thats a mouthful!
 
You can get blocks from dsm graveyard I belive and if not you can always have one fabricated for you.
I have held back from saying anything because honestly I think that you want to learn but are mixed up on a few things, however, we have already talked about this on the other thread. They don't make a forged block, they make forged pistons, rods and crankshafts which are inside the block. Think of the block as a case that all your parts are in, you are saying you need a stronger case not whats inside of the case. Now they don't make a forged block aka case they make forged internals. You should have told that guy that he needed forged pistons and rods (forged crankshaft not needed). The problem with cars is that the small details are important since they are very complicated machines so you have to be 100% right in what you tell someone not 70%. The rep system is there to discourage people from being unclear or guessing at an answer when they arn't 100% right.

Now on to your cams questions...
Can you run them? Probably
Will they increase power on a stock engine? No, a lot more mods are needed before your motor can benefit from the cams. Imagine if you had a 300lb hammer. Would be an awesome hammer right but since you cant lift or swing it that makes it useless.
This is the question you should ask us...
What should I do right now to get more power? Well you can take steps to build up to these cams (if thats what you want) and gain more and more power as you go. Start with an ecu like the afx or a manual swap. Don't start at the end and work to the beg man crawl before you walk.

Also most of the guys here are pretty nice but you have to listen to them and if you don't understand what they are saying its alright to ask but don't argue.

BTW I don't care if this is a troll or not other people will read and learn hopefully :thumb:
 
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I have held back from saying anything because honestly I think that you want to learn but are mixed up on a few things, however, we have already talked about this on the other thread. They don't make a forged block, they make forged pistons, rods and crankshafts which are inside the block. Think of the block as a case that all your parts are in, you are saying you need a stronger case not whats inside of the case. Now they don't make a forged block aka case they make forged internals. You should have told that guy that he needed forged pistons and rods (forged crankshaft not needed). The problem with cars is that the small details are important since they are very complicated machines so you have to be 100% right in what you tell someone not 70%. The rep system is there to discourage people from being unclear or guessing at an answer when they arn't 100% right.

Now on to your cams questions...
Can you run them? Probably
Will they increase power on a stock engine? No, a lot more mods are needed before your motor can benefit from the cams. Imagine if you had a 300lb hammer. Would be an awesome hammer right but since you cant lift or swing it that makes it useless.
This is the question you should ask us...
What should I do right now to get more power? Well you can take steps to build up to these cams (if thats what you want) and gain more and more power as you go. Start with an ecu like the afx or a manual swap. Don't start at the end and work to the beg man crawl before you walk.

Also most of the guys here are pretty nice but you have to listen to them and if you don't understand what they are saying its alright to ask but don't argue.

BTW I don't care if this is a troll or not other people will read and learn hopefully :thumb:

Yes I know I just checked my facts. The reason I wount order anything from dsm graveyard is because they are just regrinds of the original parts. Also I do know what a core is, a core is when you send in your cams or head or w/e product and they modify that for you. If you want to keep yours you pay a core fee. Also honestly your the first person who has not be a total dick on this website.
 
I think you drop something...















your IQ!!!:tease:

If you dont tell us your set up you wanna run how do you expect us to give you an answer??????????? its like saying would a t66 turbo wouls work for my car??? if you dont tell us what are your goals or set up you wanna runn then dont expect more than laughs.

BTW, if you think this is a stupid website then GTFO nobody needs you here, unless you are a troll stay.
 
Yes I know I just checked my facts. The reason I wount order anything from dsm graveyard is because they are just regrinds of the original parts. Also I do know what a core is, a core is when you send in your cams or head or w/e product and they modify that for you. If you want to keep yours you pay a core fee. Also honestly your the first person who has not be a total dick on this website.

No worries man just keep your cool and hold your tongue when your getting yelled at and you will be ok. Dsm graveyard has their place and a regrind isn't always a bad thing but thats a different thread for a different time. What I would suggest is fixing your misfire issue first as your car only makes the most power it can while its running at 100%. Then I would seriously think about what your goals are. If you ever want to do the manual swap I would do that now because especially if you want the afx ecu which would be your best upgrade at this point. The auto afx is different from the manual one so you don't want to have to buy two you know. After you decided what you want to do with the bottom end and tunning then you should try to find the best cam for your setup as all cams do not fit all applications. But that needs to come later once you have out grown your stock one.

First thing first though... maintenance before modification, believe me now... thank me later. :thumb:

As well as they will actually decrease the performance everywhere on a stock or nearly stock setup.

Yes thanks jrohner
 
How in the hell do you rev up your automatic to four grand to start going. This thread started with you stating you have a five speed then you change it randomly to auto. If this site has such "dumb ass" people then Wtf are you doing here. I've never seen any one so disrespectful to people that tried helping.

I want to ask you something. I want to know what your goals are. Is it reliable or power you want. what is your budget. These are things we need to know so we as a group and community can help with. If your not willing to follow the rules and respect others that have been with this site for YEARS. Then hit chris up the founder call him a dumb ads and go ask the same exact question you asked here, on dsmtalk. I promise they won't be as nice.
 
How in the hell do you rev up your automatic to four grand to start going.

Well I believe its possible to keep it in neutral n drop it into drive..... just a very good chance of grenading said tranny after a very short while.

... I have sadly seen this done LOL.
 
How in the hell do you rev up your automatic to four grand to start going. This thread started with you stating you have a five speed then you change it randomly to auto. If this site has such "dumb ass" people then Wtf are you doing here. I've never seen any one so disrespectful to people that tried helping.

I want to ask you something. I want to know what your goals are. Is it reliable or power you want. what is your budget. These are things we need to know so we as a group and community can help with. If your not willing to follow the rules and respect others that have been with this site for YEARS. Then hit chris up the founder call him a dumb ads and go ask the same exact question you asked here, on dsmtalk. I promise they won't be as nice.

Are you dumb? I never stated I have a five speed.
 
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