Aftermarket camshafts??

[Ard184]

Do they make aftermarket camshafts for 2G N/T eclipses? I see the adjustable cam gears, but what about the camshafts?

 

[DSM-ZERO]

CRANE or CROWER

 

[GSGoinFast]

CRANE or CROWER

crane has the 5 different sets of cams for us(well technically 4 since the 14's are just a 12 intake and 10 exhauste) and the Crower has 3 stages, although im not sure, but i think they also make 3 turbo grind stages

 

[Ard184]

What would be a good set if I wanted them for the street and track? I know they have ones for just street or just track, so I'm assuming they have ones compatible for both street and track applications. ANywhere good to find them?

 

[99EclipseRS]

I think GUDE makes some...kinda crazy though...doesn't hold idle very well

 

[dr1665]

What would be a good set if I wanted them for the street and track?

I would suggest the Crower 2s. You can pretty much get whatever specs you want from Crower if you're willing to shell out, but aside from the turbo3s (which I have yet to see), there really isn't any need. Anything more aggressive than a Crane 0010 or Crower 1 and you will need to step up to some PTC lifters and followers along with springs and retainers to prevent floating a valve.

Another thing to consider when shopping higher end cams, is that you will have a hard time idling with them unless you have a means to pull some fuel. You'll want something like a SAFC, AFX ECU (if you're a 97 MTX), eManage or MSnS. You can always manually raise your idle to 1200 or so too.

You could just drop in some of the 0010s or 1s and have at it, but pretty much everyone who buys those cams says they wished they had stepped up to the bar and went more aggressive.

Personally, I love my Crower 2s. If I wasn't going to boost her this winter, I would be trading them out to get a set of the 3s. They sound so tempting...

 

[Ard184]

Another thing to consider when shopping higher end cams, is that you will have a hard time idling with them unless you have a means to pull some fuel. You'll want something like a SAFC, AFX ECU (if you're a 97 MTX), eManage or MSnS. You can always manually raise your idle to 1200 or so too.

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I actually just got the SAFC installed the other day, which caused a huge diffrence in my car's performance. Its a 99 and its a manual too. Lets say I am going with the Crower 2s, what are the exact labels I should be looking for like item number dealie things. Sorry, a little out of it, its late and I just got done getting a 2 hour tattoo done one me.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

alot of these cams SAY there power band tops out at 7200rpm is that true or is there a set out there that will continue to make power past that..
also the highest that I have seen is
250/250 crane #0016..................anything out there higher????

I would like a my cam to be good in the 8500rpm range

 

[Misterio]

im still deciding on crower2s or crane0012 as well. What is a good trusted place to order these? i don't want to get ripped off as they are expensive.

 

[dr1665]

alot of these cams SAY there power band tops out at 7200rpm is that true or is there a set out there that will continue to make power past that..

Only one way to find out. DYNO. I plan on setting my rev limter to 9000rpm and seeing where I make peak HP in NA trim on the dyno. Engine really comes alive around 4000rpm and still feels like she's pulling at 7800 when I hit the AFX/R limiter.

also the highest that I have seen is 250/250 crane #0016. ... anything out there higher????

You aren't looking very hard, then. There is a Crane 0018 available, but I've heard of crazy Neon owners running "22s" and "24s." I can only imagine. Also, lift/duration is based on a handful of different factors which are different between vendors. Crane and Crower do not necessarily measure their cams the same way. I belive my Crower 2s are advertised at something near 247, but general consensus is that Crower 2s are more aggressive than Crane 0016 but a hair below the 0018.

And then there are the Crower 3 cams...

You can get the Cranes from Howell or the Crowers from Exile Racing.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

POST a link
I want to see these crower 3's or CRANE 0018
because
Iam in the market for my valvetrain because it realy is the only thing I left to do and I want to do it right the first time.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

ALRIGHT
research done

CROWER 3's
254/254
lobe.....................N/A
lift.......................350/370
Duration @ .050....210/210
price...................$439


CRANE 0018
258/258
lobe....................108
lift......................394/394
Duration @ .050....216/216
price...................$669

all of this info comes straight of the crane and crower web site..... both cam sets require higher spring & TI retainers

at this poit it looks like the CRANE 0018 cams are VERY nasty cams..

What do you guys think???????

 

[opie1]

crower stage 3 cams
intake 258 dur .446 lift
exhaust 254 dur .438 lift

at .050" 206 intake
202 exhaust
lift . 255 intake
. 250 exhaust

i had the crane 16 and 18 cams they sucked . i bought the crowers and they rock for what i have done.

 

[GSGoinFast]

ALRIGHT
research done

CROWER 3's
254/254
lobe.....................N/A
lift.......................350/370
Duration @ .50.....210/210
price...................$439


CRANE 0018
258/258
lobe....................108
lift......................394/394
Duration @ .50.....216/216
price...................$669

all of this info comes straight of the crane and crower web site..... both cam sets require higher spring & TI retainers

at this poit it looks like the CRANE 0018 cams are VERY nasty cams..

What do you guys think???????

i dont think you going to want to go with 18's for a turbo set up, too much overlap.

but i have been thinking, since the 14 tubro grind cams are just the 12 intake and 10 exhaust, if you wanted a more aggressive turbo set-up, how do you think running a 16 intake and 12 exhaust would work out? should be more aggressive but still have less overlap then just using the 16's? i dunno just something ive thought of.

 

[dr1665]

Crower 3s would be a riot on the street in NA trim, but you would have so much blow through with a boosted application that you would have to dumb them way down to make anything useful.

I plan on boosting on my Crower 2s this winter sometime... then again, spending that money on brakes and suspension seems more fun since I've been bitten by the autoX bug...

 

[DSM-ZERO]

a crane 16 intake and 12 exhaust

...................0016 intake......................0012 exhaust
Duration............250..................................246
Dur @ .050........208...................................204
Lobe.................106...................................108
Lift...................374...................................364

Why not run a more aggersive Exhaust cam??
like 0016 Exhaust and 0012intake??

 

[GSGoinFast]

a crane 16 intake and 12 exhaust

0016 intake 0012 exhaust
Duration............250..................................246
Dur @ .050........208...................................204
Lobe.................106...................................108
Lift...................374...................................364

Why not run a more aggersive Exhaust cam??
like 0016 Exhaust and 0012intake??

you want the more aggressive intake cam. if your exhaust cam is aggressive you get over lap which isnt good for a turbo. thats why the turbo model 1g eclipse's came with the same exhaust cam as the NA ones but a more aggressive intake cam.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Alright I know reversion is bad
Because you dont want both valves open at the same time

so what do you think of these

CROWER stg 3 full race
duration..........................254/250
dur @.050.......................205/200
Lobe...............................254/250
Gross lift @1.75...............444/437

Would they be good for my app.

 

[opie1]

thats the cams i have. their crazy for the set up i have. im working on my turbo set up right now. i dont plan on changing the cams either. ill mess with them on the dyno.