292 camshafts mpg decrease

[Slo2gen]

So how much compression would I lose with this cam?

9.4 points of compression. That better?

 

[Shake_Zulla]

@ OP - I think you may have jumped the gun on this "I want some cams" line of thinking. There are a lot of people here that are able to help someone that way be a little newer to the game if you need it. Maybe explain to us what you are hoping to accomplish with your build first because if you are looking for more power than there are some other options that would work out better. First of all lets settle the debate about auto or manual because if you have an auto then you would notice a lot more power from doing the manual swap than anything you could get from cams. Second (or first if you dont want to do the swap) you should be looking into replacing your ecu. This can be done with MS (harder install) or the afx unit (as easy as plugging it in) and you will see better gains plus you wont even need to pull the timing components.
Howell Automotive - Talon/Eclipse Computers
Regardless don't base your decisions on stuff (especially cams) based off of max hp you can gain. You first need to decided where you want the power on your rpm range. Goals and plans should be thought of before buying parts so you can buy the correct parts that go together and compliment eachother instead of working against eachother.

9.4 points of compression. That better?

Can I check your math? Did you forget to carry the 2 again?

 

[Slo2gen]

@ OP - I think you may have jumped the gun on this "I want some cams" line of thinking. There are a lot of people here that are able to help someone that way be a little newer to the game if you need it. Maybe explain to us what you are hoping to accomplish with your build first because if you are looking for more power than there are some other options that would work out better. First of all lets settle the debate about auto or manual because if you have an auto then you would notice a lot more power from doing the manual swap than anything you could get from cams. Second (or first if you dont want to do the swap) you should be looking into replacing your ecu. This can be done with MS (harder install) or the afx unit (as easy as plugging it in) and you will see better gains plus you wont even need to pull the timing components.
Howell Automotive - Talon/Eclipse Computers
Regardless don't base your decisions on stuff (especially cams) based off of max hp you can gain. You first need to decided where you want the power on your rpm range. Goals and plans should be thought of before buying parts so you can buy the correct parts that go together and compliment eachother instead of working against eachother.



Can I check your math? Did you forget to carry the 2 again?

We can only put the spoon to the mouth, we can't make the mouth open.

 

[bullettdsm]

Oh EM GEE I gotta admit to actually laughing out loud on this one (for quite awhile). That interchange between the OP and Zac was just too funny. Here's Zac all calm and cool and informational. Spelling it out as the way it works, giving plenty of background information and then giving a quiet opinion on why the OP should really not purchase these (in the hopes of saving the OP some money and heartache).

And then BLAM!

Just good stuff.

OP, the cams and valve springs will not change your compression at ALL.

MB

Edit: Oh yeah, no coil bind problem with those lift numbers. The problem is the duration.

 

[PhilipMc]

I had a feeling that camshafts had nothing to do with compression but I wasn't a hundred percent positive.

 

[1MeanTSI]

I ran a 292 in my old 5.SLOW and that was downright ridiculous. I had a hard time not stalling from a light That was on a V8 with 5x the low end torque of a 4cyl

 

[PhilipMc]

I ran a 292 in my old 5.SLOW and that was downright ridiculous. I had a hard time not stalling from a light That was on a V8 with 5x the low end torque of a 4cyl

Thanks for the info, I just wanted cams with the best horsepower but I see now what problems they can cause especially on my car which is my daily driver.

 

[Shake_Zulla]

Thanks for the info, I just wanted cams with the best horsepower but I see now what problems they can cause especially on my car which is my daily driver.

No problem man as long as you are willing to listen most people here have no problem giving advice. Good luck on your build

 

[audiomaster1990]

go with some 272's, you won't lose all of your bottom end torque, and you will love the mid to top end power. Saying "i want 292's just because, but im not doing any research on them" is like saying " i want to put an hx40 on my stock 2ga and run 18psi." good luck on it working out. don't feel bad though, i was the EXACT same way starting out.

As an example, i was dumbfounded as to why my friend wouldn't run 18psi on his 20g, but could run 21 on a 14b thru the same motor no problem.

 

[bullettdsm]

go with some 272's, :

We do NOT have 272's for our cars!

We are not 4G63's. Anybody who is selling them is lying.

MB

 

[brevlle]

this HAS to be a troll.

 

[TheEagle]

If your asking this, you haven't thought this out. These cams are not just bolt on's and get out there. You don't want to adjust the rev limit? well, sorry to say, some things need to be adjusted and changed.
The engine can take these, but these are for a more advanced tuner. Along your lines, I would learn all you can before you start thinking of true mods.
The biggest thing with a car, you upgrade one thing above the normal, there always is other thing(s) that needs to be upgraded or tweaked.

 

[dsm'r sk1mp]

Troll... ill put money on it

 

[audiomaster1990]

We do NOT have 272's for our cars!

We are not 4G63's. Anybody who is selling them is lying.

MB

my bad, didn't think of the 420a aspect. fail on my part.

 

[PhilipMc]

If I was to run 292's in my car couldn't I make up for the low end with a turbo? Like a really quick spooling one?

 

[bullettdsm]

If I was to run 292's in my car couldn't I make up for the low end with a turbo? Like a really quick spooling one?

(sigh).....no

MB

 

[dsm'r sk1mp]

If I was to run 292's in my car couldn't I make up for the low end with a turbo? Like a really quick spooling one?

ya that will help a lot!

You might as well slap the biggest ebay turbo you find for it too

Throw those cams in while your at it

Cause your not listening to anything else we are telling you

 

[jrohner]

You could get some bigger cams custom ground than 292's you know. Why not get such huge cams, you have to push the car down a hill to get it to start?

 

[bryanwheat]

If I was to run 292's in my car couldn't I make up for the low end with a turbo? Like a really quick spooling one?

You obviously have it set in your head that you are going to get these cams. Buy them and install them and than come on here and start a new thread called why does my car run like shit.

 

[jrohner]

If I was to run 292's in my car couldn't I make up for the low end with a turbo? Like a really quick spooling one?

Yes, because a turbo is totally going to make the car idle better and have better throttle response.

Oh, and get smaller cam gears because spinning the cams faster will give you the low end of smaller cams (since the valves will open and close faster), but give you more hp as well (cause faster is better in everything, just as bigger is always better).

If I upgraded my valvesprings would I still lose compression?

I hope you never so much as change your own oil. I also wouldn't recommend you put in your own gas; go with full-service.

 

[dsm'r sk1mp]

This is a pointless thread with a pointless question with a pointless op. This community works together to help one another learn, build, assist, and report REAL WORLD experience and information on manufactured parts for the dsm platform. You coming on here asking this question is fine and dandy but your not listening to what we have to say. There is a moderator no here running a boosted 420a that OBVIOUSLY knows this platform and you are amazingly blowing him off.

My REAL advise. Don't get the cams, don't get the turbo. Go to your local auto parts store buy a wanna be exaust whistler to mimic a turbo sound, go online to all the huge motor sport parts and buy every sticker you can findand put them on your car in the most obnoxious way you can! Because kid you just marked your self as an obvious troll or some one who is to dam stubborn to listen to REAL advise on how you can learn and build your beloved dsm.

Correction, there is a n/t dsm WISEMAN giving you advise and your acting like don't know shit about these cars. Its been told three times what is merely required to run these cams, why your build will not be able to run these cams, and advise as to what you should try and do.
Mark is a very profound member around these parts, and trust me that "wisemen" title he is rocking doesn't get handed out to some chump who slapped a turbo on his car.
Good luck with your build/rebuild/storing/selling your car.

 

[PhilipMc]

You could get some bigger cams custom ground than 292's you know. Why not get such huge cams, you have to push the car down a hill to get it to start?

Im pretty sure that pushing my automatic down a hill wount help it start

Yes, because a turbo is totally going to make the car idle better and have better throttle response.

Oh, and get smaller cam gears because spinning the cams faster will give you the low end of smaller cams (since the valves will open and close faster), but give you more hp as well (cause faster is better in everything, just as bigger is always better).



I hope you never so much as change your own oil. I also wouldn't recommend you put in your own gas; go with full-service.

But thats funny cause im not talking about my idle.

This is a pointless thread with a pointless question with a pointless op. This community works together to help one another learn, build, assist, and report REAL WORLD experience and information on manufactured parts for the dsm platform. You coming on here asking this question is fine and dandy but your not listening to what we have to say. There is a moderator no here running a boosted 420a that OBVIOUSLY knows this platform and you are amazingly blowing him off.

My REAL advise. Don't get the cams, don't get the turbo. Go to your local auto parts store buy a wanna be exaust whistler to mimic a turbo sound, go online to all the huge motor sport parts and buy every sticker you can findand put them on your car in the most obnoxious way you can! Because kid you just marked your self as an obvious troll or some one who is to dam stubborn to listen to REAL advise on how you can learn and build your beloved dsm.

Correction, there is a n/t dsm WISEMAN giving you advise and your acting like don't know shit about these cars. Its been told three times what is merely required to run these cams, why your build will not be able to run these cams, and advise as to what you should try and do.
Mark is a very profound member around these parts, and trust me that "wisemen" title he is rocking doesn't get handed out to some chump who slapped a turbo on his car.
Good luck with your build/rebuild/storing/selling your car.

And how am I being stubborn when all I am trying to do is ask questions. Everybody on this forum tells me two different things. One person tells me one thing while the other tells me something completly different. I am honeslty not set on these cams I just want to know all the facts. If you ask me your all retarted.

(sigh).....no

MB

But your a non turbo guy arent you? So how can you comment on turbos?

 

[bryanwheat]

I personally didn't see one person actually tell you that they were a good idea. If they did it was sarcasm. The general consensus is that they are a horrible idea. Are you looking to make your car faster or are you just wanting it to idle like it has cams. If you are looking for a little more power this is not you. There are plenty other cams on the market.

 

[bagged420a]

I agree(all retards). I say go with the cams and see how it goes. Nothing teaches lessons like first hand experience.

Disclaimer: Not responsible for any ignorance on your part and the above statement is in no way saying that it is a good idea to try and put race cams in a street car.

 

[PhilipMc]

I personally didn't see one person actually tell you that they were a good idea. If they did it was sarcasm. The general consensus is that they are a horrible idea. Are you looking to make your car faster or are you just wanting it to idle like it has cams. If you are looking for a little more power this is not you. There are plenty other cams on the market.

But Im not talking about my idle! I just want a performance part and I thought bigger cams were better. Long before any of these posts I decided I will get either crowler stage 2 or 3 cams. I just wanted to get all the information without being ridiculed constantly .