1G on E85 with 14b

[Phil1320]

Did you ever get a chance to go back out to the track? And have you switched to E85 yet? Just curious of the performance difference.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dra...record-title-without-nitrous-continues-5.html

 

[1SloEvo]

Thanks Phil

 

[bwhite]

After taking a good 14b in on trade for a b16g. Ive been thinking I might put it on and go after that record.

 

[Phil1320]

Thanks Phil

No sweat....

After taking a good 14b in on trade for a b16g. Ive been thinking I might put it on and go after that record.

Just do it.

 

[bwhite]

No sweat....



Just do it.

Are there any rules rules as to whats considered a "STOCK" turbo? Different hotsides, wheels, etc.?

 

[1SloEvo]

I would think as long as it's a 14b you should be golden. I have the big hotside on mine...hoping to push the car pretty hard once she is up and running.

 

[TenSecondSTi]

I would think as long as it's a 14b you should be golden. I have the big hotside on mine...hoping to push the car pretty hard once she is up and running.

Go for the evo8 fmic for sure. I have it on my car and @20psi on the 7cm 14b I see no knock And as boost hit's IAT get lower on 93 oct. I can't wait to get it on the dyno and the track I'm guessing somewhere around 280whp but honestly It could be more. 19* timing WOT

 

[Boug]

Go for the evo8 fmic for sure. I have it on my car and @20psi on the 7cm 14b I see no knock And as boost hit's IAT get lower on 93 oct. I can't wait to get it on the dyno and the track I'm guessing somewhere around 280whp but honestly It could be more. 19* timing WOT

EVO8 FMIC...? Seriously...? Do you have any pictures of it installed? Does it take some custom piping as the end tanks on the EVO8 FMIC are in a different location than the 1G-specific FMICs I have seen.

 

[Dsmj89]

I hope i can make my goal of 280 with my 14b, i see these turbos are plenty good.
Will stock 450cc injectors be enough or should i upgrade them ?

 

[SBstar]

I hope i can make my goal of 280 with my 14b, i see these turbos are plenty good.
Will stock 450cc injectors be enough or should i upgrade them ?

Considering this is an E85 thread, I'm going to guess you're talking about with E85? If so then no the stock injectors will not be enough. However, with the 450's and race gas people have made those and better hp figures.

 

[Dsmj89]

My fault, I might consider e85 real soon, how about on 93 pump ? Can it still be achieved ? Injector upgrade needed for 93 ?

 

[1SloEvo]

What kind of dynos are you guys talking about to reach these goals of 280whp...especially on 93 octane? I'm hoping my car will do 250-260 on 91 octane and break 300whp on E85.

I now have a full ETS intercooler kit with their race version intercooler at 3.5" thick. Should be good for most anything I have planned within the next few years.

The Evo intercooler has been pushed up to 400whp on local Mustang dynos I'm hoping to get to 300whp on. So they will handle anything the 14b can do and quite a bit more. However, I wasn't too interested in making custom piping or doing anything crazy to try to get it to fit on the car.

 

[Dsmj89]

What kind of dynos are you guys talking about to reach these goals of 280whp...especially on 93 octane?

Dynojet.
I plan to dyno my car next month, maybe 280 might be a little out of my league, but i want to make at least 250-260 on 93.
I hope this is achievable.

 

[1SloEvo]

On 93 and a dynojet, I think 280 is possible. Just depends on the efficiency of the setup. Let us know how it turns out.

 

[Hubbell91Tsi]

865cc should be good on e85 and a 14b, i think i was around 80-90 idc with stock fuel pressure. I made 324awhp at 27psi on the 14b and stock sidemount, stock cams, aem cam gears, aluminum rods wiesco 9:1.

 

[Phil1320]

What kind of dynos are you guys talking about to reach these goals of 280whp...especially on 93 octane? I'm hoping my car will do 250-260 on 91 octane and break 300whp on E85.

I now have a full ETS intercooler kit with their race version intercooler at 3.5" thick. Should be good for most anything I have planned within the next few years.

The Evo intercooler has been pushed up to 400whp on local Mustang dynos I'm hoping to get to 300whp on. So they will handle anything the 14b can do and quite a bit more. However, I wasn't too interested in making custom piping or doing anything crazy to try to get it to fit on the car.

EVO FMIC will heatsoak with the 14b at higher boost levels. I am taking my EVO FMIC off the car for this year for that reason. 14b creates enough heat at 21 psi to heatsoak it. This is real world track driven stuff here. It works, and I've run fast with it, but a thicker core will help dramatically. This is why my 1/8 mile times are great, and my 1/4 ET and trap falls off.....

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Donniekak is running e85 w/ a 14b. Maybe he will chime in and let you know some stuff too. I didnt read the whole post but to he is running 20 psi and it pulls HARD!! That is the little info I can tell you, if he sees this he can tell you more. Better yet, I will send him a PM and get him to chime in for you.

 

[KillerTOFU]

i run e85 on my 14b at like 18psi never dynoed but i have 750cc injctors and it runs great may harder then my 91 tune

 

[Steve93Talon]

EVO FMIC will heatsoak with the 14b at higher boost levels. I am taking my EVO FMIC off the car for this year for that reason. 14b creates enough heat at 21 psi to heatsoak it. This is real world track driven stuff here. It works, and I've run fast with it, but a thicker core will help dramatically. This is why my 1/8 mile times are great, and my 1/4 ET and trap falls off.....

Couple points regarding the EVO FMIC. I ran the stock SMIC at 23psi and it was heatsoaking badly by 1/2 track. My post-IC charge temps were around 175F by the traps. When I switched to the Dejon big SMIC I dropped to about 125F. I wish you had logs of an IAT probe after the IC to show what your charge temps were for comparison, as I've got to imagine that it was at least a reasonable improvement over a stock SMIC.

My other point is that this thread is specific to E85, which totally changes the game in terms of charge cooling. I'd suspect that as long as the EVO core flows enough for the 14b (and I have no reason to believe it doesn't), then charge cooling isn't nearly as big a factor with an alcohol based fuel. If you ran E85 in your car, you'd be surprised at how much immunity it gives you in terms of knock suppression. For a small turbo E85 setup, the EVO FMIC might be just about perfect and I'd certainly give it a try before assuming it won't work well.

 

[donniekak]

Donniekak is running e85 w/ a 14b. Maybe he will chime in and let you know some stuff too. I didnt read the whole post but to he is running 20 psi and it pulls HARD!! That is the little info I can tell you, if he sees this he can tell you more. Better yet, I will send him a PM and get him to chime in for you.

I haven't posted anything because i have no numbers. The butt dyno isn't properly calibrated, never had it to the track with a 14b, and my late night runs on private roads in mexico aren't allowed here.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

I haven't posted anything because i have no numbers. The butt dyno isn't properly calibrated, never had it to the track with a 14b, and my late night runs on private roads in mexico aren't allowed here.

Well get to the dyno!!!

 

[Phil1320]

Couple points regarding the EVO FMIC. I ran the stock SMIC at 23psi and it was heatsoaking badly by 1/2 track. My post-IC charge temps were around 175F by the traps. When I switched to the Dejon big SMIC I dropped to about 125F. I wish you had logs of an IAT probe after the IC to show what your charge temps were for comparison, as I've got to imagine that it was at least a reasonable improvement over a stock SMIC.

My other point is that this thread is specific to E85, which totally changes the game in terms of charge cooling. I'd suspect that as long as the EVO core flows enough for the 14b (and I have no reason to believe it doesn't), then charge cooling isn't nearly as big a factor with an alcohol based fuel. If you ran E85 in your car, you'd be surprised at how much immunity it gives you in terms of knock suppression. For a small turbo E85 setup, the EVO FMIC might be just about perfect and I'd certainly give it a try before assuming it won't work well.

Shows you how much I know about E85