16G Install ... Oil in the tailpipe

[ed_GST]

I installed my EVO III 16G on last Friday
Because i over tightened the oil pressure sender unit
and cracked the oil filter housing i couldn't used the car
Until today that i replace it

Went out for some tuning
When i did my first pull i noticed a strong smell
When i looked back in the rear view mirror i saw a huge cloud of smoke
Puller over and noticed a lot of oil in the tail pipe
This only happens when i am in boost (peak boost is 15psi)
NO smoke @ idle and cruising, water temp and oil pressure are normal

Oil return

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Oil feed

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What could be causing this?

BTW: The rest of the mods are in the profile

 

[DSM1G90]

What color of smoke? White - toasted turbo. Blue - weak oil rings and oil is getting by the rings under high revs.

What does your spark plugs look like - black with oil, or clean?

good luck-DSM

 

[RadDsm]

Did you prime the turbo?

 

[robbo185]

was it a new turbo?

 

[Deadpool]

How much oil pressure is running in that line ? I know with the 14b and the T25 they really do not need that much pressure but I wonder if it is over pressurized and blowing past the seals in the turbo and dumping it into the motor threw the boost piping. A quick way to check that would be to pull a pipe and check for oil coating on the inside.

 

[DSM_PWR]

Most likely (about 70% of the time)

If you used stuff like PB Blaster, WD-40, etc... its just burning off and going through the exhaust, When i first put on my new turbo a while back, the exhaust was smoking for nearly a week. I thought i blew my valve stem seals but it ended up just being the chemicals burning off...

It could also be an oil leak around dripping onto the downpipe so make sure you check for that...

Or... could be the tune

 

[ed_GST]

Took some pics

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spark plugs came out dry with no oil, tailpipe is shiny cause of the oil

the turbo i bought it rebuilt from jusmx141
the tune is fine AFR between low 11 and high 10, timing between 10-20
the smoke coming out is white

 

[DSM_PWR]

Hmm... and you've checked for any oil leaks correct? even a few small drips onto anything exhaust related will cause smoke..

I would aim more for 11:1 than high tens when tuning..

Other than that, id say give it some time to see if it stops smoking, since your not smoking constantly its not going to be anything major (like vavle stem seals) so my guess is possibly tune related?

 

[JusMX141]

I don't recommend running the oil supply for MHI turbos to the filter housing...these turbos get plenty of oil from the head with the 1G metal oil supply line.

You can try tracking down one of these lines and swapping your oil supply to the head, and see if the smoking stops. If it's found to be the fault of the turbo it will obviously be covered under warranty, but I can't see how a turbo that I just rebuilt with all new internals would be burning oil already, unless it's getting too much pressure at the supply.

 

[ed_GST]

when i was looking for a install kit i couldn't find any with a oil feed line from the head

can the new oil filter housing cause the rise in oil pressure ? it came from a 1G with water oil cooler

 

[JusMX141]

when i was looking for a install kit i couldn't find any with a oil feed line from the head

MR239830 = 1G Oil Supply Line ($23 brand new from JNZ)
MF650102 = 10mm Banjo Bolt For Head ($11 brand new from JNZ)

Most folks don't realize the proper oil supply hardware when installing a TD05H turbo on a 2G is this inexpensive.

can the new oil filter housing cause the rise in oil pressure ? it came from a 1G with water oil cooler

It's possible; perhaps the spring tension on the bypass valve is different between the two housings. I honestly don't see how it could vary enough to blow oil past the turbine seal.

How long have you driven the car this way? If that turbo has been seeing excessive oil pressure for long enough it might've wiped out the journal bearings already which is where the smoke is coming from. Pull the intake and check for shaft play.

 

[ed_GST]

i driven the car only yesterday

can i turn my oil filter housing feed line into a head feed line?

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10mm to -4 Female

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10mm x 1.25 Thread

 

[JusMX141]

You can run the braided line to the head, but the 1G metal line has a restrictor built into the banjo fitting at the turbo. This restrictor will not be present in the braided line you'll be using.

Have you checked it for shaft play yet? If there's shaft play, it's too late....it's already been overoiled to the point where the bearings have contacted the housing or the shaft has contacted the bearings.

 

[ed_GST]

This is just frustrating...
Removed the intake and there is no oil in the compressor wheel but yes there is shaft play
Just spent $400 in a 16G turbo and $250 in a install kit for a 16G
Ran the car for a day and everything is gone

 

[gorf]

good info - I just dropped in a rebuilt engine and am having the same problem. I was suspecting the turbo. The rebuild has no balance shaft so the oil pleasure is higher than it was. I am still using the line off of the filter. I may just order the line and bolt from jnz - thanks

 

[JMiller]

This may sound dumb but are you 100% sure that it was oil coming out of the tail and not dirty water. I had white smoke and thick dirty water shooting out of my stock exhaust(not sure if yours is stock). After i put my new catback and downpipe on it went away. Also check your oil level to see if your loosing a significant amount.

 

[alansupra94]

This is just frustrating...
Removed the intake and there is no oil in the compressor wheel but yes there is shaft play
Just spent $400 in a 16G turbo and $250 in a install kit for a 16G
Ran the car for a day and everything is gone

Jeez sorry to hear that man.

 

[ed_GST]

i have being making some calls
and have friends running 16G turbos with their oil feed line from the filter housing
personally i have seeing the cars and they don't smoke

then why mine does? i haven't change the oil pump, still have the balance shaft and stock turbo never smoked even with the in/out shaft play it had

the turbo is still in the 30 day warranty ...

 

[toofast82]

Run the oil from the head and it should not smoke. The excess pressure is leaking oil past the turbine seal

 

[sexzboy23]

nobody has a picture with the oil line from the head

 

[talondave]

Did you prime it good? It could be a freak thing with your turbo. I have a rebuilt g60 from jusmx141 and its been great for 6 months now with little to no shaft play.

 

[JusMX141]

This is just frustrating...
Removed the intake and there is no oil in the compressor wheel but yes there is shaft play
Just spent $400 in a 16G turbo and $250 in a install kit for a 16G
Ran the car for a day and everything is gone

What baffles me is your turbo originally came to my shop with a leaking turbine seal only- it didn't even have shaft play before it was rebuilt....so why did it develop shaft play so quickly on your car?

I understand your frustration. I wish I had known you needed the install parts at the time of the transaction- I have everything you needed here, including the 1G hard oil supply line, that I could've included for much less than what you paid.

Those kits are ridiculous....the only parts you need to buy in order to fit a TD05H turbo on a 2G would be the 1G oil supply, a j-pipe for the compressor outlet, and the banjo bolt for the head. Your stock water lines will fit, and the 2G oil drain will work perfectly with the top holes slotted slightly toward center. I actually prefer the 2G oil drain as the flex sections do not crack and leak like those on a 1G oil drain.


It's hard to say what caused the turbo to fail until it gets back into my hands. In the past 5 years of doing this, I've seen it all....possibly the most ridiculous was a guy that insisted the turbo I sold him was burning oil, and he ended up running it until it had shaft play. When he tore the turbo off to send it back, he found that he had left a balled up piece of paper towel in the oil drain which was in place to keep things from falling into the oil pan while the turbo was off his car. The oil had nowhere to go, so it literally dumped the oil out the turbine and compressor seals and ruined the journal bearings.

i have being making some calls
and have friends running 16G turbos with their oil feed line from the filter housing
personally i have seeing the cars and they don't smoke

Honestly, I don't have an explaination as to why this works fine on some cars and not on others. I have two buddies, both with 1995 TSi AWD's, both running 20G variants, both with the stock engines, both are supplied from the filter housing....neither one has killed their turbo yet. There are others that have bolted TD05H turbos to their 2G cars and used the filter housing as the oil source and they've died almost immediately.

The only thing I recommend is to source the oil supply from where it was intended to be sourced for proper pressure and restriction; in the case of the TD05H's found on 1G's and the TD05HR's found on Evo VIII and IX's, this would be the head.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...cations-all-turbo-brands-2.html#post151738241

nobody has a picture with the oil line from the head

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Did you prime it good? It could be a freak thing with your turbo. I have a rebuilt g60 from jusmx141 and its been great for 6 months now with little to no shaft play.

Hey Dave- Edwin thinks he has it rough.... tell him about your shiny new Turbonetics 60-1 that died in 200 miles because of an Earl's filter on the oil supply line. That thing doesn't even have useable parts- it's literally garbage. Talk about throwing money away! Back to the G60 until I can locate a good HX35 core....I'm literally DONE with Garretts.

 

[talondave]

People put 100xxx + miles on 14b turbo's ran from the head, Why is it so bad not to run any other jb turbo from the head?

I have had my share of blowing turbos! I had a new g50 turbo from sbr start smoking a soon as i put it on and started the motor. I had the oil feed from the ofh changed it to the head and quit smoking but didn't last long because i think i over pressured the seals. Got it rebuilt and still was good when i sold it and upgraded.

 

[ed_GST]

thanks for all your comments
i hope this gets fixed
and it isn't about money
is just all the time invested in something we like so much
and it turns all wrong

 

[wvturbo2]

I ran my 50trim from the oil feed and it caused problems. I sold the turbo lost like 500 dollars was very angry almost gave up on the car. Had similar problems with a 30r. Then I bought a GT35r and ran it from the head. No more oil leaks or oil pressure problems. If I can run my 35r from the head I would say you should run your 16g from the head as well. Don't feel bad we all lose money in this game. My stroker motor crapped on itself I built a 2.0 and Spun a rod bearing in the first 200 miles. I am in the process of fixing this so I can continue with this hell I call a hobby.