14b and 16g

[Big B]

I plan on getting a new turbo next week. Is there a large difference between the 14b and 16g? And does the 16g need the same install kit as the 14b with the j pipe and oil and coolant lines? And I an also getting larger fuel injectors. Probably 650cc. What do you recommend?

 

[jpmxrider489]

ok so a 16g sounds good to me . but from what you guys are saying is it pretty much pointless for me to get a turbo with that much pull if i dont have awd?

No one said you shouldnt get a turbo without AWD. Im going to be running a hx40 with my fwd. Itll just be hard to get the power to the ground. Im shooting for 600hp but all I want is the dyno numbers. Dont let the awd thing hold you back.

 

[Big B]

No one said you shouldnt get a turbo without AWD. Im going to be running a hx40 with my fwd. Itll just be hard to get the power to the ground. Im shooting for 600hp but all I want is the dyno numbers. Dont let the awd thing hold you back.

cool thanks alot bro.

 

[clipto]

I have a small 16g and I don't spin unless I launch oviously is where the awd have advatage on us fwd guys.But if your doing like 30-60mph roll you should be fine.

 

[H@xtGSX]

Take what you have and kickass. Fwd cars have their drawbacks, but there's a few pluses in owning one also. Don't think you're at any disadvantage yet.

 

[jpmxrider489]

Heres an advantage of having fwd. This dont happen.

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[9!'clipseDOHC]

Let's talk about flow rates instead of "pulls hard". (These are just estimates)

• T-25 - <25 lbs/min (235-250hp)
• 14b - 30 lbs/min (275-300hp)
• S16g - 34 lbs/min (345/365hp)
• B16g - 36 lbs/min (365/385hp)
• E316g - 39 lbs/min (385/400hp)

For your goal, a 14b will get you there on the high side but a small 16g will do it easier. You will need supporting mods for either choice. Another budget option is a 14b with a 7cm turbine housing (from a big 16g) which should flow about 32 lbs/min.

 

[jpmxrider489]

Correct me if im wrong but the evo 3 16g flows at 42lbs/min. Which could put you at 420 hp. I believe every lbs/min can be converted to 10hp?

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Correct me if im wrong but the evo 3 16g flows at 42lbs/min. Which could put you at 420 hp. I believe every lbs/min can be converted to 10hp?

The Evo 3 16g is rated at 550 CFM. 1 lb/min is equal to 14.472 CFM so... 550 CFM/14.472 = 38 lbs/min or roughly 380hp. Lets not forget that these are estimates only.

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[GsxEcutioner]

there have been times where the Evo 16g has made over 400+ AWHP.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

there have been times where the Evo 16g has made over 400+ AWHP.

Yes, and there have been 14b's that make over 320hp... but it's still only rated at 30 lb/min. The numbers/ratings are a guide, estimate, approximation, idea, etc (for the third time).

If you guys want the HIGH numbers (from the Dyno Challenge on here):
14b is 324
S16g is 399
B16g is 451
These numbers are not what the turbos are rated for or what the average DSMer should expect.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

If you're going to be doing a new turbo setup you might as well go straight to the 16g! I ran a 14b on my 2g for awhile and i loved it, but then i put an Evo III Big 16g and it was amazing! If you can afford a 16g go for it, but just as a warning most 16g's are extremely hard to find, rebuilt or used might be your best and only bet if going for a 16g. But good luck on your build and i hope you reach your goals!