WTF is up with canards??

[cait sith]

Originally posted by sophat34
I am with who ever said that body kits are just for looks on street cars. from my personal experiance they suck as far as preformance goes. aside from haveing a nice big hole for the fmic, mine has slowed me down. main reason being any time I get over 120mph with the angle of the kit (urethatne blitz front) my front steering gets really light. any thing faster than that and I start to get a little scared. a stock bumper is going back on for that reason though.

Most knockoff blitz kits are terrible fitting and have the front ends angling UP due to poor fitment/piss poor molds.

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

Almost all the body kits/wings out there are for the boy racer rice boy masses. They are for aesthetic purposes only (even though they all look like sh1t?). They provide zero aerodynamic downforce, increase the frontal area, create drag, add weight, and are overall just a piss poor tacky mod. When you get into the real body mods produced by the likes of C-west, Mugen, etc. they all have been researched and wind tunnel/track tested to increase cooling, lower the drag coefficient, provide downforce. A blitz kit is going to do nothing for a good aero package, while a functional air dam and wing placed up in the airflow will aid in handling balance at high speeds. A blitz kit has as much performance potential as a set of chrome "altezza's"...

 

[PaulPDX]

Originally posted by Ralli///Art GS
When you get into the real body mods produced by the likes of C-west, Mugen, etc. they all have been researched and wind tunnel/track tested to increase cooling, lower the drag coefficient, provide downforce.

That's stretching it there. Body kits have no aerodynamic purposes unless there are are underbody work done like the full blown race cars and yes... wind tunnel tests. What flows under the car is as important, if not more important, as what flows over the car.

Add-on aftermarket kits regardless of brand are purely for styling effects only. Brands like C-west and Mugen don't cost more because of their "wind tunnel" research. It's the brand name you're paying for and perhaps better construction quality. Wind tunnels are not dime a dozen and are expensive to gain access to and maintain. It's highly unlikely that C-west or Mugen would go through the trouble of tunnel testing their designs. IF, and only IF, you are talking about Mugen's fullblown racing programs where the cars have little mechanical resemblance to their street going cousins... then it wouldn't be a stretch.

 

[quarter]

Originally posted by PaulPDX
Oh please... 99% of body accessories and kits for street cars are for looks only.

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by PaulPDX
That's stretching it there. Body kits have no aerodynamic purposes unless there are are underbody work done like the full blown race cars and yes... wind tunnel tests. What flows under the car is as important, if not more important, as what flows over the car.

Add-on aftermarket kits regardless of brand are purely for styling effects only. Brands like C-west and Mugen don't cost more because of their "wind tunnel" research. It's the brand name you're paying for and perhaps better construction quality. Wind tunnels are not dime a dozen and are expensive to gain access to and maintain. It's highly unlikely that C-west or Mugen would go through the trouble of tunnel testing their designs. IF, and only IF, you are talking about Mugen's fullblown racing programs where the cars have little mechanical resemblance to their street going cousins... then it wouldn't be a stretch.

Please actually research before you start spouting from your ass.

http://www.c-west.co.jp/labs/fudo_rx7.html

And for what it matters, you don't need to spend millions of hours in a wind-tunnel to know fluid dynamics and how it can be applied to automobiles.

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

Thanks for backing me up cait sith, I also know for a fact that the Mugen kit for the RSX reduces the drag coefficient and provides better cooling and downforce. I imagine that the RSX isn't the only one.

 

[igs]

Originally posted by Crazy E

I just thought it was funny because that car does have what would be called "rice" on some kid's civic DX, it is obviously all functional and necessary on a race car.

Interesting isn't it? I think the true ricers are the ones that criticize with this double standard.

 

[leet]

Originally posted by igs
Interesting isn't it? I think the true ricers are the ones that criticize with this double standard.

I doubt a 17 year old kid knows how to place canards for optimum performance. I think they can add sexiness to a street car, sure. But unless it's had testing of some sort, it's just that. Sexy.

Ferrari doesn't just slap them on their F2004 and call it a day.

 

[Chuckt]

i think everyones reading way too far into this,

 

[igs]

Originally posted by leet
I doubt a 17 year old kid knows how to place canards for optimum performance. I think they can add sexiness to a street car, sure. But unless it's had testing of some sort, it's just that. Sexy.

Ferrari doesn't just slap them on their F2004 and call it a day.

You're right they don't. But do you know what they do? The driver takes it out for a few laps, comes back and says the car is understeering a bit, so they make a small adjust, send him back out and repeat until the driver is satisfied. It's not that hard. Any "ricer" can do these adjustments himself in a matter of minutes. Now if your argument is the "ricer" doesn't know the difference between understeer and oversteer then that is a totally separate topic and has nothing to do with installing canards on a car and calling it rice.