WTF is up with canards??

[Rice Over Wheat]

I was checking out Buddy Club's site and found these:

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And the following description:

"Hand-laid carbon fiber canards that aid in aerodynamics and style."

Ok, aside from being ugly as hell, do you really believe those little mini-wing things could possibly aid in downforce to the front wheels? I sure as hell don't!

ROW

 

[Dream On]

Don't really know, but you're right...just plain fugly...

 

[AWDPetmitsu]

Doesn't Mitsubishi have these as factory accessories for the EVO?

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

i liek em in my opinion....but im diff than al yall

 

[cait sith]

Go look at some touring cars some time.

Hell, how about the Toyota Eagle MkIII

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/toymkiii.html

I'm not saying those work on the Neon, but I am saying they're based off a concept that works in reality.

Also, Buddy Club 2 or whatever has absolutely nothing to do with the originators, http://www.first-inc.co.jp

 

[igs]

This car also has some CF canards.

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[AWDPetmitsu]

Yeah, they work, but does he ever go fast enough for them to work. Also, I'm not so sure the angle that they are mounted does it any good.

 

[VOTBLINDUB]

theyre there for downforce in the frony, but we dont go fast enough to need them

 

[Chuckt]

i had some one my car, but took them off cause i liked my car better without them after a while. They are used on JGTC cars to move air in towards the brakes and help cool, i think the pic in my sig shows them alittle

 

[Crazy E]

Originally posted by igs
This car also has some CF canards.

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look at that ricey car! huge spoiler, single wiper blade, huge goofy bodykit! I bet those hood pins arent functional either!!

 

[theboogieman]

waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too much angle on those on the Neon!!! But besides that point they woudn't do much good at low speeds and soft cornering anyhow. Functional yes, but not on most cars running the streets...unfortunately for some folks I like them and will have them on my car...but not like those flat pieces of carbon, mine will have a molded shape and not an extreme angle. The ricer in me....
Leo

 

[PaulPDX]

Oh please... 99% of body accessories and kits for street cars are for looks only. Most spoilers and splitters don't do any good until over 100 mph anyway... and most production cars don't have any underbody aerowork to take advantage aerodynamics anyway. Anyone doing body kits and spoilers with the idea of increasing downforce and overall aerodynamic performance is living in fantasyland.

Aerodynamics has to be done as a total package, not a bondo'ed on after-thought. Take a look at F1, LeMans, and some of the exotic cars (Ferrari Enzo). All of them were styled and engineered with consideration to how air flows under the car. Not so with average street cars. Regular usage of street cars do not call for the need to generate insane amounts of downforce. Race application (and I mean real race application, not weekend joy rides down the drag strip) requires it on cars that see speeds well over 150 mph and and extremely stiff suspensions with less than half as much travel as street cars.

 

[mitsutunerwh2]

Hey man Take a chill pill. Yes there for looks and I think they look sick. Especially with the carbon fiber wind splitter in the front.

And whoever said look at that ricy ride!? Its a race NSX Thats not just a street car so learn some stuff about touring and then say its ricey.

 

[TSiAWD666]

Originally posted by mitsutunerwh2
And whoever said look at that ricy ride!? Its a race NSX Thats not just a street car so learn some stuff about touring and then say its ricey.

Sarcasm.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

wow didn't think that was sarcasm was going to be missed .

but yes, to beat the horse dead i think splitters look good on cars if done right. and NO, they really dont do anything for the downforce, etc. purely looks. i'd get em if i didnt hate doing body mods

 

[PaulPDX]

Originally posted by Crazy E
look at that ricey car! huge spoiler, single wiper blade, huge goofy bodykit! I bet those hood pins arent functional either!!

That's a full blown race car you fool. Note the racing helmet? F1 style competition steering wheel? full internal rollcage? the intake restrictor funnel in the intake scoop above the roof? Lexan windows? full carbon fiber bodywork? competition regulation tow loop? and what's that in the backgaround? a tire crash barrier? Hmmmmm.... could it be?

 

[TSiAWD666]

Originally posted by PaulPDX
That's a full blown race car you fool. :

Yes, he's the fool for stating something so obviously contrary to reality that you'd never expect anyone to take it for anything other than sarcasm. Gees people get a clue.

 

[PaulPDX]

Hint: Double sarcasm.

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

"They are used on JGTC cars to move air in towards the brakes and help cool.."

nope:thumbdown

 

[ECTurboDSM]

I actually don't think that they are used to direct air to the brakes. Just look at their design and imagine what would happen when air hit them at over 100mph. I'm pretty sure they're there to push air over the wheel wells, as wheels are not very aerodynamically efficient. If you look at some of the older supercars, or C4 Corvettes, the wheels were designed to cause the minimum amount of turbulance when air passed over them. As far as cooling brakes, race cars tend to pull air from the front of the car and use tubing to route it to the back side of the brakes. This is also why wide body kits such as the TRD kit for the Supra have vents behind the front wheels. This allows air trapped in the wheel wells to escape. There is just no way that those side canards can cause enough downforce on any car at any speed. That is what the front splitter and underbody panelling is for.

 

[Dream On]

You forgot the nice green wheels. (SARCASM)...
On a side note, that car is sweet.

 

[Crazy E]

!! thats the last time I make a sarcastic comment in a thread on this site!!

I just thought it was funny because that car does have what would be called "rice" on some kid's civic DX, it is obviously all functional and necessary on a race car.

 

[PaulPDX]

Funny how some people get all bent out of shape over a little sarcasm on the net. Works every time... even on those who think they know what's going on.

 

[sophat34]

I am with who ever said that body kits are just for looks on street cars. from my personal experiance they suck as far as preformance goes. aside from haveing a nice big hole for the fmic, mine has slowed me down. main reason being any time I get over 120mph with the angle of the kit (urethatne blitz front) my front steering gets really light. any thing faster than that and I start to get a little scared. a stock bumper is going back on for that reason though.

 

[PaulPDX]

Originally posted by sophat34
being any time I get over 120mph with the angle of the kit (urethatne blitz front) my front steering gets really light.

That's bad. That means your bodykit isn't doing what it's "suppose" to do aerodynamically. It's creating positive lift... like an aeroplane wing.