Working on a 4G63 swap

[Malenko]

first off, learn to comminicate, and understand, if I was talkin shit I wouldnt have said "If its true, stop misdirecting people about boosting their RS/GS"


secondly just because one whole person allegedlyc completed the swap DOESNT mean anyone else should. Took you FIVE FUKCING MONTHS to swap (again allegedly) took me a weekend to install my turbo kit, and it cost me less and gave me more "madpowah"

before you start all this my 4G63 is better bullshit, know this:
I DONT CARE

I didnt go stage 2 to race everything and everyone out there I just wanted to up the performance of my car. You act like this swap is like changin a spark plug, everyone should do it, but its not.

congrats on your GSX I'll throw you a "no one gives a fukc party" when I get the time, take your attitude and shove it up your ass.

when I feel up to it, I'll begin to talk shit on you, right now I just feel sorry for you. Ya know, wanting so bad to feel important but amounting to nothing.

Im unsubscribing this thread so come back and insult me or my car all you want and be internet brave.

Why not take the engine out of the GSX and put it in the RS? THATS what I cant figure out. I mean its all prepped for a 4G63 and now you have 2 cars and 2 engines......

 

[10minutecar]

Holy Flame Retardant Suit, Batman!

It won't fit without some work. Basically what you have to do is rip out everything in your engine bay, like p/s lines, a/c lines, mounts, etc. (very long list of stuff) and start all over with turbo car stuff, because, in case you haven't noticed, the 4g63 sits backwards from the 420a, which is the crappy dodge neon motor you have now.
I am actually trying to find a turbo parts car for my swap, 420a-4g63T
which I am only doing because my 420a was knocking reallly bad. My motor is out now and I am starting to make a list of stuff I will need for the swap, and it is a very long list.

Hey, LightningMS, I am that guy that bugged you about a week ago for advice in the email. Thanks for replying.

Don't listen to these people, it's awesome that you pulled this swap off, and they are just jealous, because they are the people that said it would take at least 7-9 grand for this swap, and you did it for 3.


All you people that listen to them, have fun with that neon motor.

 

[Malenko]

Originally posted by 10minutecar
Holy Flame Retardant Suit, Batman!

It won't fit without some work. Basically what you have to do is rip out everything in your engine bay, like p/s lines, a/c lines, mounts, etc. (very long list of stuff) and start all over with turbo car stuff, because, in case you haven't noticed, the 4g63 sits backwards from the 420a, which is the crappy dodge neon motor you have now.
I am actually trying to find a turbo parts car for my swap, 420a-4g63T
which I am only doing because my 420a was knocking reallly bad. My motor is out now and I am starting to make a list of stuff I will need for the swap, and it is a very long list.

Hey, LightningMS, I am that guy that bugged you about a week ago for advice in the email. Thanks for replying.

Don't listen to these people, it's awesome that you pulled this swap off, and they are just jealous, because they are the people that said it would take at least 7-9 grand for this swap, and you did it for 3.


All you people that listen to them, have fun with that neon motor.

and we flamed?!?!?! ANYWAYS that neon motor pulls 10 second passes in HAHNs RS and 9 second times in their neon.

Either way Im not jealous, Im just NOT retarded. it is not a cost effective mod, even at 3 grand. 3 grand into a 420A is better then spending 3 grand to get what is basically a stock GST

lie to yourself and say you wanna be unique and all that other happy horseshit but the facts remains the same:

Swap is not a "bolt on affair"

even at "3 grand" you can get more power from a tuned and turboed 420a then a STOCK 4G63

You need a new everything, from all the stuff under the hood to a tranny and even a gauge cluster.

on a side note that 3 grand has got to be a lie , or at least a SEVERE stretch of the truth. Im assuming not factoring in any labor, getting a junked car with unknown problems, not adding in all the little costs etc.

I said Id unsubscribe and I got an email indicating a reply before I had the chance to. Either way this topic has been done to death.

As a matter of fact, DO THE SWAP
just dont come back bitching how you wasted your time, energy, money and car(s).

 

[RoaSted]

Thanks solarblueeclipse, im glad someone has done this before and is helping out the others that want to do it. Ill be contacting you on a regular basis. my car is hopefully goin in the shop tom. Thanks

 

[10minutecar]

Hey Malenko, have you ever seen people swap H22's and B16's into their
civic's and Accords?

Most of the swaps I can think of (besides the ZC d-series motors and maybe the b20's) all need different transmissions, wiring harnesses, mounts and a bunch of other stuff to do the swap into their civics that weren't designed to have different motors swapped into them.

I know the eclipse swap is pretty complicated, but think of the new RSX motor that is being swapped into civic's now. I don't even want to know about wiring and mounts on that swap. Plus, they also reverse the position of the intake and exhaust mani on that swap.

The point is that not enough Mitsu. people get off their asses and do the 420a-4g63T swap for the aftermarket to get involved and make kits like the Honda people have.

Someone has to do it first before it gets recognized.

Honda people did it.

It's funny when people say "this ain't no Honda swap" because they have no idea how involved even a Honda swap is.

It says that at the top of my other post, because I copied that from somewhere else I had posted it, and I forgot that was at the top.

To each his own. My engine was already bad and I didn't want to buy another 420A and then have to buy a turbo kit for it.

 

[LightningMS]

Malenko your a dumb slut. Cost Effective... Dude I can hold more power on stock internals then you will ever wish you can. Stage 2 Keep your turbokit get the performance out of your 420a... I know the engine really well and I know you'll end up spending more money then I will in the long run depending on your pos goals. So don't come out here dissing on dsmtuners.com dude... this is the real deal so step aside.
I aint trying to diss anyone with a 420a but facts are facts and for short term goals turbokit is a good thing, for long term goals 4G63 is *Cough* Cost Effectivness.


shit on this bi***

 

[clownface]

okay......so you did the swap only to take it apart again and sell the car and do what you should have done in the first place, get a GSX. So what? did you just do the swap to get yourself off or something?? what did you prove, that you can waste a bunch of time to do something thats pointless and ISNT COST EFFECTIVE then take it apart? Maybe i would understand why you did it if you actually left the car together insted of parting it out after its done. i dont understand why you would waste all that damn time just to take the ####er apart. Did you even take any pics of how you did it or make a VFAQ or something of that maner or have any REAL proff that you acutally did this swap?

i say not cost effective because you could have taken the 3 grand and sold your car and a GSX and not done that ### swap and maybe have some cash left over and have a better car then a swapped 402a-4g63.

you cant even really say that you wanted to prove people wrong... cause everyone knows it possible just no one wants to do it cause its NOT COST EFFECTIVE, , even if it only cost 3 grand.

 

[LightningMS]

it was cost effective... I did it to prove lots of people wrong about prices... I'd sell it together but my 6bolt aint in all that good shape anymore after raping it ,but with the money I sell the car for I was going to repair the engine and put it in the X because I got goals of 650awdhp I know it won't be easy but I need to start somewhere. Now why didnt I buy a X in the first place? Honest mistake..... didnt know what a rs,gs,gst,gsx Was! simple as that. I didnt want a eclipse I wanted a 93 Toyota MR2 Turbo..... And shoot if your parents are going to buy your first car and they say pick another car or nothing why not choose something else you think looks good? I was impatience, saw f&f and thought all of them were the same kind of eclipse I didn't give a rats ass about anything I just wanted a car. Im parting it out cuz I aint rich got to pay for my flying lessons and side money for fixing up the eclipse... 99 centerstore bathroom cleaning and shelf stocking doesn't make all the much money. Shoot I wish I was a momma's boy again.... them good ol days. Im cool with everyone at tuners... peaceout I mechanics chasing me out of his office hehe I gotta go sand down my front bumper, lates peeps.

 

[clownface]

okay thats cool, but your still wrong about the cost effectiveness.

just think, for what you had in the 420a car with a 4g63 you could have had a GSX, and maybe had some money left over for upgrades, how is that cost effective?

 

[LightningMS]

damn hehe stop replying for like 5 hrs hehe till I get home... Cost effectivness for me no for others yes... I got different plans after my 6bolt started detonating.... I completed the short term goal now long term is the 650.... thats the cost effectivness error on my part but not for others hehe gtg damn @!!!! mechanic lates

 

[Malenko]

Originally posted by LightningMS
Malenko your a dumb slut. Cost Effective... Dude I can hold more power on stock internals then you will ever wish you can. Stage 2 Keep your turbokit get the performance out of your 420a... I know the engine really well and I know you'll end up spending more money then I will in the long run depending on your pos goals. So don't come out here dissing on dsmtuners.com dude... this is the real deal so step aside.
I aint trying to diss anyone with a 420a but facts are facts and for short term goals turbokit is a good thing, for long term goals 4G63 is *Cough* Cost Effectivness.

Your "slut" comment is uncalled for you fukcing RETARD

Ive already reached my power goals, did it in under 2 grand, polly. It didnt take 5 months either. Cost effective doesnt have ANYTHING to do with power. I wish I can see 200 HP on my internals, HEY MY WISH CAME TRUE AND THEN SOME! Try and get who ever is reading this to you to explain what I mean (with your respsonses Im sure the concept of actually reading must elude you)

not everyone wants a 650 HP AWD car, you do, and thats completely off the topic of your bullsh!t swap, Your POS didnt werk and produced less horsepwer then a stage II RS

short term, long term what are you talkin about?!?!?
oh thats right, long term , as in the 5 months it took you to do the swap (that I dont even think you did)

take your GSX, bend over and drive it up your own butt, Im sure you love the butt sects there cocktail....


fruit.

seriously, original poster, do the swap, after your broke (just like your car) you can be mad at "Lightning Multiple Sclorosis"

shit on this bi***

what, the primer? I mean I would, but looks like someone beat me to it



EDIT: thank you 2gnt, for the re-direct bishes

 

[faroutkucki]

2gnt member #2 checking in.

From what i heard from a very respected member from 2gnt, Lightning MS's swap went horribly. The car never even ran close to right. There was an immense amount of downtime and large bills to be paid afterwards.

But that of course is only what i heard, not neccesarily fact.

 

[etx]

I would rather build up a 420a and make power than spend extra money for a turbo eclipse, crank up the boost and blow up the tranny. Our trannies can put down over 550 hp. Stock. You got internals, we got a tranny. And the 420a from a design aspect is much more modern.

If you want a turbo eclipse, buy a turbo eclipse. If you got a set of balls buy the cheaper RS, build the motor, ad a snail, and your good to go. Sure I wish I had awd, but my fwd 2gnt + my rwd 350z (making a guestimated 400-450 rwhp) is enough fun for me.

Don't swap this into this , Bitchstick. :laugh:

 

[EvuLFleA]

No it's not cool that he completed the swap. As far as I know the car never moved a mile with that engine. They got it in and bolted down yes but that's about where it ended. No wonder it only cost $3k, the shop gave up!

 

[chrysler kid]

vs

FIGHT

either way everyone is byassed towards their car. i have owned both the 420a and 4g63 and my 420a was nothing but a money pit. the car was always leaking oil, never idled right. teh 420a as far as more modern it is, but it also couldnt hold an engine seal for its life. turbo'ing your 420a takes dedication.

malenko you started the hate on his car so he is gonna retaliate. you complain about it but you are part of the problem. click the back button if you dont like what hes doing/



i personally think the swap isnt worth the hassle. even though in my opinion the 4g63 is better, the time involved and the money involved is not worth the hassle. and yes im am absolutey positive the swap cost him around $7k

 

[big green]

Swaping a 4g63 in to an rs/gs is just a waste of money. Thats way too much money to run a stock GS-T time. By the time you get it up and running chances are could have spent the money to turbo the 420a and do internals, you be faster then any stock gs-t.

If you want a 4g63 so bad just sell your rs/gs and get a gsx.

 

[dr1665]

If you want to do a 4g63 swap into a 2GNT for the rarity of it, just install the entire powertrain from a GST or TSi into the back of your car. Mid engine, RWD would be much cooler and perhaps no harder imo.

And look at all us DSMers right back here at square one! Anything you can do I can do better. No you can't. Yes I can. No you can't. Yes I can... I bet we get clowned big time in other message boards for being the most divisive group of tuners in existence. Who gives a shit which engine is better? All that matters is that you like your car for what it is and you show a little respect for others who do the same. When I bought this thing back in 96, there was no paperwork to sign saying I had to run 12s or had to turbo it. I say, build your own car and #### the naysayers. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket and feel like taking the most difficult/expensive route to achieve the same goal, it's your perogative. Have fun.

/end

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by etx
I would rather build up a 420a and make power than spend extra money for a turbo eclipse, crank up the boost and blow up the tranny. Our trannies can put down over 550 hp. Stock. You got internals, we got a tranny. And the 420a from a design aspect is much more modern.

If you want a turbo eclipse, buy a turbo eclipse. If you got a set of balls buy the cheaper RS, build the motor, ad a snail, and your good to go. Sure I wish I had awd, but my fwd 2gnt + my rwd 350z (making a guestimated 400-450 rwhp) is enough fun for me.

Don't swap this into this , Bitchstick. :laugh:

um.....for some reason i really dout that your the tranny in a GS/RS is better then the one in a GST GSX but i guess i dont know for sure. Havnt you seen that the tranny in a turbo eclipse can handle like 3x the intended torque load, and thats alot. Only reason the trannies in our cars get the POS reputation is because people beat on the stock tranny and they go bad and thats normal, just like how DSM has the POS reputation in general, because people mod alot and beat on them and it breaks stuff, normal also.

 

[Initial DSM]

So stupid this thread is.

I too met another person online who did this swap. He spent way over 3k (like around 8k) and he used a 7 BOLT motor! He was trying to sell me his stock ecu.

Very defensive was he when I tried to figure out why he would do such a thing. Every rebuttal he had was EXACTLY the same as this guy above yada yada fart whine poop etc etc.

But in the end he broke down and confessed it was out of sheer ignorance, and given the chance to go back in time , he would never do it.

So hence, 7k into a 420a car , without removing/swapping the engine, would be more cost effective as oposed to swapping in a stock block 4G63.

Only if someone donated me a 6 bolt 4G64 forged crank/internals 2.4 engine with race port head AND was nice and gave me a MAGNUS dogbox transmission (bullitproof) with complete GSX rear end drivetrain would I even THINK about doing this swap.

and then I'd prolly still say no and just get a gsx chassis (and keep above said parts)

We could sit here and argue till the end of time which engine is better 4G63 or 420A. but the answer is it doesnt matter. Once you go past 500hp , both blocks modded with internals will hold equal power. so its a stupid pointless arguement.
You can make any car fast. Is it worth it? debatable. but Malenko is trying to tell us theres two roads you can take , and that above route is the road to retardedness.

 

[etx]

Originally posted by clownface
um.....for some reason i really dout that your the tranny in a GS/RS is better then the one in a GST GSX but i guess i dont know for sure.

I went through 4 trannies on my 1g. I'm still on the first trans in the RS and it's putting down however much power I am making at 22 psi. Hahn ran a 10.8 with a stock trans + lsd.

This argument is apples and oranges. If you did the swap pat yourself on the back.

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by etx
I went through 4 trannies on my 1g. I'm still on the first trans in the RS and it's putting down however much power I am making at 22 psi. Hahn ran a 10.8 with a stock trans + lsd.

This argument is apples and oranges. If you did the swap pat yourself on the back.

eh, i could be wrong then, i dont really know just seemed the other way around to me.

 

[totaleklipse97]

just an idea... don't comment unless you are sure of something and can back it up. Like they say, don't give advice on mod's unless you have done them yourself. You gave your opinion. The NV tranny is very strong and has proven itself on the track time and time again. Hahn's tranny held up for 100's of sub 12 second runs. I won't comment on the tranny from a gs-t/gs-x because i know nothing about them....

 

[BlueMoonEclipse]

Naa seems the NA trany is stronger due to the fact that its made by a diferent company than Chrysler (new venture)...

BTW the only swap that makes any sense into a 420eclipse is a Built 2.4 (torque baby....and yes it will handle the power). or to go the stroker 2.2 way.....even then its not that easy

BTW i hate saying this but if you want a 4g63 under your hood...buy a GST...i actualy are building my 2.4 slowly and for less than 6 grand (ok yes im swaping in a built trans, built engine, and doing turbo all at once...waste of money?? maybe..i really feel its gona be less but with the unexpected....)

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse
Naa seems the NA trany is stronger due to the fact that its made by a diferent company than Chrysler (new venture)...

BTW the only swap that makes any sense into a 420eclipse is a Built 2.4 (torque baby....and yes it will handle the power). or to go the stroker 2.2 way.....even then its not that easy

BTW i hate saying this but if you want a 4g63 under your hood...buy a GST...i actualy are building my 2.4 slowly and for less than 6 grand (ok yes im swaping in a built trans, built engine, and doing turbo all at once...waste of money?? maybe..i really feel its gona be less but with the unexpected....)

Cool Mine should be done next month.

 

[BuckNutty]

from evan2, your still morons
honda motors are easy to swap because hondas are interchangable. Most honda motors are all layed out the same way
motor mounts are easy to get, some honda motors bolt right into a differet chassis
a 420a - 4g63 swap isnt like a honda swap at all.. Stupid to say the least

from me...Bah

i hate this site

Ban me please