will blown or poly motor mounts make my car pop out of 1st gear???

[fbodyfreak]

Ok guys, so I have been trying to evaluate my first gear issue and I've gotten many good suggeations and assumptions on here. Thanks!
But today I took my car to a local reputable transmission shop and they called me back and said that my motor shakes during acceleration and the motor mounts need to be replaced.
I recently bought the car and the mounts are red, so I assume they are poly motor mounts.
Would poly mounts or worn mounts cause it to pop out of first gear?
Any feedback helps

 

[92AWDHX40]

Pop out by using stiffer mounts i cant say ive heard of that but that sounds like you may have a 1st gear problem internally.

 

[gusu]

Worn motor mounts can cause a lot of issues. Since poly mounts are more solid and less forgiving (Which is why they hold the motor in place much better at higher power levels) they also wear out faster. Same thing as poly suspension bushings.

As for your car popping out of gear I'd say it's most likely a problem with the transmission. Mine did the exact same thing before I had it rebuilt. I didn't even have sycnro grinds in any gears and it was toast.

The reason they may not have told you about the transmission is simple. When you are fixing a costumers car you want to get rid of the obvious problems first and then continue your diagnosis of the car. You'd get stuck paying for useless repairs if you were the technician so why not fix the first problem you come upon unless the costumer specifically asks for something to be fixed or addressed, even then I'd call them with my findings first and ask how they want to address the problem.

 

[greydelta38]

Ok guys, so I have been trying to evaluate my first gear issue and I've gotten many good suggeations and assumptions on here. Thanks!
But today I took my car to a local reputable transmission shop and they called me back and said that my motor shakes during acceleration and the motor mounts need to be replaced.
I recently bought the car and the mounts are red, so I assume they are poly motor mounts.
Would poly mounts or worn mounts cause it to pop out of first gear?
Any feedback helps

That would have to be a TON of shake. My 2g has bad mounts but it hardly shakes at all, let alone enough to pop a gear out. I've heard rumors that these cars can have problems with 1st and 3rd being bitchy and either popping out or not engaging, but have never personally had those problems.

Tl;dr,
Mounts are bad, car shakes. Get them replaced.
Shaking causing gear to pop out? Unlikely. Sounds like a clutch problem.

 

[Broke4speed]

If the shift linkage was made of rods, instead of cables, like a honda or pre-99 VW...then it could happen.

On a cable-shift car? No way in hell, IMO. Your transmission is pooched man, it needs to be replaced/repaired.

 

[fbodyfreak]

Worn motor mounts can cause a lot of issues. Since poly mounts are more solid and less forgiving (Which is why they hold the motor in place much better at higher power levels) they also wear out faster. Same thing as poly suspension bushings.

As for your car popping out of gear I'd say it's most likely a problem with the transmission. Mine did the exact same thing before I had it rebuilt. I didn't even have sycnro grinds in any gears and it was toast.

The reason they may not have told you about the transmission is simple. When you are fixing a costumers car you want to get rid of the obvious problems first and then continue your diagnosis of the car. You'd get stuck paying for useless repairs if you were the technician so why not fix the first problem you come upon unless the costumer specifically asks for something to be fixed or addressed, even then I'd call them with my findings first and ask how they want to address the problem.

Yeah well the guy at the shop said to replace them first and if it still pops out then we'll go further so I'm sure that why he suggested it.

That would have to be a TON of shake. My 2g has bad mounts but it hardly shakes at all, let alone enough to pop a gear out. I've heard rumors that these cars can have problems with 1st and 3rd being bitchy and either popping out or not engaging, but have never personally had those problems.

Tl;dr,
Mounts are bad, car shakes. Get them replaced.
Shaking causing gear to pop out? Unlikely. Sounds like a clutch problem.

The car shakes a little, but idk if enough to pop out first.... and I told him the ONLY way the car will stay in first is if I put it in first gear BEFORE stopping, while slowing down. Otherwise it pops out if I try to put it in gear already stopped.... so Idk how the motor mounts would be selective like that.

 

[crimsondragon]

I wouldn't do it. The shifter is loose and free to move about when not connected to the transmission. Any shakes and vibrations will just transfer through the cables and to the shifter itself. There are no stops for any vibrations to hammer against. And it would take a bit of force to pop out of gear.

 

[greydelta38]

The car shakes a little, but idk if enough to pop out first.... and I told him the ONLY way the car will stay in first is if I put it in first gear BEFORE stopping, while slowing down. Otherwise it pops out if I try to put it in gear already stopped.... so Idk how the motor mounts would be selective like that.

They aren't, that's what we're saying. You might as well do the mounts, they're pretty easy. But definitely start thinking about doing clutch or transmission work to fix that popout problem.

 

[cliffkemp]

Popping out of gear is almost always a syncro issue. It is usually caused by not having enough fluid in the transmission.

More than likely, your transmission is on the way out and will only get worse with time. The motor mounts are probably not the cause, in this case. Replacing them, if worn, needs to be done regardless of any other issues.

Even if it holds first after replacing them, the damage is done and will come back quickly.

 

[crimsondragon]

Popping out of gear is almost always a syncro issue. It is usually caused by not having enough fluid in the transmission.

More than likely, your transmission is on the way out and will only get worse with time. The motor mounts are probably not the cause, in this case. Replacing them, if worn, needs to be done regardless of any other issues.

Even if it holds first after replacing them, the damage is done and will come back quickly.

Synchros don't do anything to keep a transmission in gear.

WC Engineering : 5th Gear Pop-Out

 

[AWD Sebring]

Motor mounts, have nothing to do with your trans issue. But since your going to be removing the trans, might as well buy some new mounts.

 

[staytrue2007]

It sounds like you have a 1-2 slider issue. They have keys that hold them in gear that can become worn. Also sometimes shift fork can become worn and not fully go into gear. Your shift cables are held securely to the transmission making it highly unlikely that the motor mounts are causing this concern.

 

[donniekak]

Lots of times in these transmissions intermediate shaft bearings on their way out cause 1-2 pop out issues.

 

[bryanwheat]

Lots of times in these transmissions intermediate shaft bearings on their way out cause 1-2 pop out issues.

This is correct, usually the bellhousing side bearing on the intermediate shaft is toast. Put the car in second gear and feel the shifter when you push the gas and let off. If the shifter moves than the intermediate shaft bearings are bad.

 

[TaLN91tsI]

Issue can be caused by the spring loaded shift dogs. When worn, shift dogs no longer keep shifter ring locked onto gear. Transmission tear-down time to fix.

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[bryanwheat]

Issue can be caused by the spring loaded shift dogs. When worn, shift dogs no longer keep shifter ring locked onto gear. Transmission tear-down time to fix.

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The part you are referring to is not the dog, these transmissions do not have dogs in them from the factory, they used a splined gear and slider. Dogs are the protruding part of the gear that locks into the other gear in a dog box trans, or a motorcycle transmission.

 

[cliffkemp]

Synchros don't do anything to keep a transmission in gear.

WC Engineering : 5th Gear Pop-Out

I guess aamco was telling me a lie then. My old neon kept popping out of third due to the fluid leaking. The guy told me the syncros were toast and would be 900, at the time to fix it. Guess he was lying to me then.

 

[TalonSway]

i had the same problem with my trans. I had to put my car in first before I stopped otherwise I would have a hard time getting into first gear. Turns out a bolt was in my bell housing and poked a hole through the differential. No clue were the bolt came from but destroyed the tranny no oil was in there and there was bits of bell housing in my tranny. No clue how I even drove.