Wideband selection

[TSi Kid]

Being that my car is soon to be on the road, finally did my e85 conversion, I have started to look up which wideband gauge I should purchase. My only requirement would be that it is digital and will last and not crap out.

I have narrowed my products down to glowshift and aem. However, being that glowshift is a good amount cheaper I looked into why it's so. I've heard from some others that the glowshift ones have problems and I was wondering if it is that big of a problem with their product, and if so, should I just go with an aem one?

Also, if there is another reputable brand out there please let me know.

 

[Dsmkauai]

I'm running the innovate mtx-l also with link works awesome. Highly recommended easy setup and install. It's really nice and compact.

 

[snowborder714]

Is the wiring really backwards from the LC-1 in that the yellow is the factory wideband output and the brown is the factory narrowband output?

 

[Dsmkauai]

Yes yellow is 0v-5v and brown is 1.1v-.1v. But you can also change these settings with the innovate software. I just hooked up the yellow and have link simulate narrowband has been working perfect so far.

 

[hoby0316]

I love the Innovate LC-1.

 

[kornfedgsx]

What's wrong with the aem uego?

 

[whiteboyz]

I run the PLX M300 wideband. Alot of people don't like the gauge do to it being square and not round. You cant put it in a gauge pod.

 

[97gst_spyder]

I have an AEM Uego, and hate it. Slow logging and even slower display. My buddies PLX is 100% better.

We installed my Uego in the o2 housing and the PLX in the rear o2 housing for shits and giggles, the PLX still had a faster response times....

 

[kornfedgsx]

Wow thats crazy! I might just have to sell my aem uego and look for a innovative.

 

[LiquidX]

The only thing the UEGO had for it was simple wiring until the MTX came out and it has a photosensitive cell for auto dimming display.

 

[joescool2008]

I have a AEM WB and use ecmlink and love it, if your a n00b at putting settings in I could see how a AEM wb could be difficult.

 

[awd_some]

The 14point7 SLC 2 has by far the most options out there. It's not widely popular yet but was created to be the best and IMO is.

 

[LiquidX]

The 14point7 SLC 2 has by far the most options out there. It's not widely popular yet but was created to be the best and IMO is.

Why, what makes it so good? Is there data on it like there is for Innovate, AEM, Zeitronix, PLX?

 

[MY1GDSM]

Old I know... .

What's wrong with the aem uego?

^ Did you read the thread at all?

Ok, well they are really hit or miss as far as their logging outputs.. It seams they are getting a little better as peoples logs as of lately have the outputs matching the white papers.

But, their's plenty of cases of people having the voltage output for logging an being of up to as far as one whole ARF point from what the papers say. That one of the reason I stopped using mine an Got a LC-1... . Many many, YEARS AGO

About a year later I would like to update this and say about the opposite is now true. Almost all AEM gauges I see don't match what they should or what the white papers say(in DSM/ECMlink)... .

Regardless of the reasons behind this(gauge wiring, input being used Etc.) I don't see this at all with Innovate products especially with the LC-1 I have yet to see one that wasn't with-in a .1 Afr in log when grounded properly... . I've seen AEM gauge as I said before as far off as 1.0:1 AFR from what they should be

The 14point7 SLC 2 has by far the most options out there. It's not widely popular yet but was created to be the best and IMO is.

As said WHY?

 

[bigbrdf250]

So having acquired the lc-1 with my ride but no gauge or software, do I really need the software to connect with link?? I already bought the db gauge and all the present wiring is correct and in tact. Just need to wire the gauge per directions, yellow or brown? Thanks

 

[Spector5]

I guess in a way I shouldn't post just yet seeing how I have no experience with my aem wideband and link because I'm still in the building process. However, I don't see how you would have problems with the certain set up? Your wideband gauge is pulling is info from the down pipe (recommended mounting spot) and sending it back to the gauge itself? And your ecmlink is pulling it via multiple factors from the ecu. So with that said I only plan on using my wideband for a emergency monitoring device as to where if I see any drastic change I know it's time to shut the car down and pull back put the laptop and get all my true info abd adjustments!

 

[MY1GDSM]

Your failing to understand the problem here... . and probably should re-read what has All been said.

Either way if you pull over and make adjustment based off an signal that's not calibrated correctly to match and your Afr in the log is off and says it's richer then it really is and adjust off the false info... You can imagine the end result... Unless your absolutely sure that your reading from the gauge it's self and the output to the Ecu are the same(under all conditions) your going to be having some serious issues. Getting your dialed in properly.

I only plan on using my wideband for a emergency monitoring device as to where if I see any drastic change

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

 

[Seamus]

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

yea, i didn't get that.

I don't understand the point of wideband gauges. If you are worried about preventing a disaster, some sort of overboost detection/protection and an electronic FP gauge are going to me much more useful in saving your motor. If a fuel pump, wastegate, or boost controller fails suddenly under WOT, your lean combustion events have already been happening by the time you notice the blinky lights on your wideband gauge are wrong.

 

[MY1GDSM]

Plain and simple it's a tuning tool... . and in most cases not going to save you from anything(common sense does though) as not that many systems use any kind of feedback from a Wideband while in Open-loop and even then that is asking for trouble if the Gauge/sensor/controller failed mid pull and the system didn't have some sort of fail safe control for that if it used direct feedback from the wideband... .

As said you want some kind other system or way to monitor more then just your AFR's to make you aware of your problems or something that gives some kind of boost control that drop boost under knock or lean afr's...

This discussion will just draw this off-topic though really.

 

[Seamus]

Plain and simple it's a tuning tool... . and in most cases not going to save you from anything(common sense does though) as not that many systems use any kind of feedback from a Wideband while in Open-loop and even then that is asking for trouble if the Gauge/sensor/controller failed mid pull and the system didn't have some sort of fail safe control for that if it used direct feedback from the wideband... .

As said you want some kind other system or way to monitor more then just your AFR's to make you aware of your problems or something that gives some kind of boost control that drop boost under knock or lean afr's...

This discussion will just draw this off-topic though really.

Yea this will get off topic. you can't tune form a wideband gauge though, they are worthless. the wideband logs are all that matters.