Which Camshaft Is good for my car?

[CarbGremlin]

I want to replace the camshaft in my 92 Plymouth 2.0 Laser which one would be the best for Street use. ( play street like not all the time high performance but i like to rev it to like 5 thousand when i race other ppl )

 

[IceDragon]

stock turbo intake cam....

 

[na90dsm]

any street profile turbo cams set will net good gains. bolts in good. but make sure you get a strick street grind. the race ones will have a nasty idle.

also why only rev to 5k, i used to rev mine to 7k every shift to 4th gear with no problems for over a year. fully stock head and all.

 

[Passion 4 Speed]

i want to do the samething..the only thing is that my car is automatic so if i do this would i have a rough idle? And can i jus purchase a new one at the dealership?
thanks

 

[na90dsm]

dealer cam will be a tsi cam. that will be the biggest. also with a auto trans you need to have the right torque converter with the correct stall for the cam. readf the cam specs then youll need to size the stall of the converter to the cam.

the tsi cam may actually have a different converter with the awd cams but the gst has the same cams. look into the gst torque converters that are stock replacement. that will work with that cam. may not have to change it but i would read on it

 

[Passion 4 Speed]

Damn all that just to get cams in a auto...seems $$ You think my best bet is to wait till i find someone thats selling gst cams used from a 1g, like ebay and then get the gst torque converter from the dealership or they too only have talon torque converters..Do you happen to know how much torque converters cost new? Sorry for all the ?'s im jus really interseted in doing this..I apperciate your help thanks

 

[na90dsm]

i have tsi cams in my house. and the only reason im suggesting to swap the converter is the gst has a bigger clutch and flywheel the the n/t cars do. even the bell housing is different. however the botl pattern on the block remains the same. the starter plate is also different on the gst then the n/t. im swappign in a gst trans into my 2.0 n/t as we speak.

since the tranny has very slight differences i know the converter will be different. but they may share the same characteristics for example stall and all. so id read up on the converters and see. converters can get expensive when messing with different stalls and such. check otu the local auto parts store for prices on stock replacement.

i dotn think youll need to do it though if you keep your tranny, the cams have very very slight differences so im 95% sure youll be fine with your converter

 

[Passion 4 Speed]

oo ok i understand now but i will definetaly look into it do some research..thanks for your help and good luck with your swap!

 

[DSMTurboEclipse]

As someone previously stated, a stock turbo intake cam would be a nice upgrade for you.

 

[CarbGremlin]

I found some Hks cams here http://www.dsmparts.com/customer/product.php?productid=197&cat=125&page=1 I was thinking of ordering what they suggest a 264 intake and a 272 exhaust

 

[90GSX16g'd]

I'll sell you my stock turbo intake camshaft off my 90 GSX when i get it back in a week or so... probly 25$ or both for 40$

 

[Daedalus]

Get a 264 HKS cam at LEAST for the intake. Dont waste any money on the exhaust cam. It does not yeild ANY GAINS. To be honest if I had to redo it, I would've got a 272 intake cam. The more grind on a n/a engine the better. But I can attest that the 264 yeilded no idleing problems, and to be honest i dont forsee that to be a problem with the 272 either b/c we are still utilizing the stock exhaust cam.

And ya'll probably dont remember me, but I am like the only person on these boards that actually ever ran a 264 in a N/A application. Talk to "Mike Marinick" on these boards. He now has my cam setup and with simple mods like a short ram and slight exhaust work he is keeping up with stock turbo 1g's....

 

[na90dsm]

yea i remember you. you had the cams and i was the one doin the n/a stroker setup. how is your idle with that cam. also what exhaust are you running. did you do any fuel mods

 

[Daedalus]

The idle was just like stock.

Fuel mods included a 190lph fuel pump, and 390cc injectors from a A/T turbo car. All controlled by emanage.

I was actually running the stock exhaust at that time. Punishment hadnt produced their header yet, and by the time they did the car had blown up due to a seized oil pump... :thumbdown

Then i sold the shell and bought a 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege which seized its engine 323 miles after i took delivery. Mazda has voided my warrenty, and I am currenty in 3 different lawsuits over the car.

 

[na90dsm]

did you do mods to the car. 323 miles they should back it up. if not they suck ass

what was your afr on that setup.

 

[Daedalus]

They claim the car was modified prior to me purchasing it (it was stock when i purchased it) and voided the warrenty on that basis, hence the lawsuits...

And to be real honest with you... We did just leaned out the engine a little at idle w/the emanage but never actually got a tune on it b/c it died literally hours after we got the emanage hooked up... Sorry i'm not more help.

 

[na90dsm]

what did it die from


and thats bullshit about it being moddified before you got it. it had frigin 300 miles on it. what was done to it? anything

 

[Daedalus]

The turbo was blowing out oil under boost and it basically sucked all the oil out of the engine due to it being overboosted supposidly at some time prior to me owning it.

They had removed some clamps on the vac lines and put different ones on somehow proving that the car had the boost raised...

But before they tried ####ing me over with that excuse they tried to tell me that a CAI had been installed on the car, and that it had caused a rod to snap due to the increased air flow !!! I just about killed someone on the spot right there... They then told me that they had seen 4 other MSP's in town that had snapped rods due to CAI's... What he didnt know is that I knew of every other MSP in town, and including mine, there are only 3... Dipshit...

But we should probably get back to topic...

 

[na90dsm]

yea so what did your qg die from. running lean or being old. im interested to see hwo the cams worked otu and im tryign to find out afr on cams in a n/a.

 

[Daedalus]

yea so what did your qg die from. running lean or being old. im interested to see hwo the cams worked otu and im tryign to find out afr on cams in a n/a.

Actually neither. The 4G died from a freak accident. For some wierd reason a sproket on the oil pump sheered off, stoping the oil pump from working, and thus causing the engine to slap some valves and seize the engine allmost simultainously...

But the cams did make a huge difference. MASSIVE top end gains, however it does shift your powerband further up. I made the most power about 6000 rpms with the cams in.

In terms of the AFR's, I dont know specifically how much the cams altered them. As I said before, the tuning process never really started...

 

[na90dsm]

yea i wanted to stay all motor but for the cash im building a big rod motor with a 16g. i was gonna run a 60 trim but i said screw it and went for quick ass spool time.

i had a setup planned for 250 hp all motor but it was expensive. woulda been more on race gas too. ive been tryign to find otu how much cams alter the afr on a n/ty car becauseif you were not runnign pig rich on 390c injectors the 240cc's were otu of there range by a long shot. ive hard a few people say they maxed otu there 240's with bolt ons and some tuning but then going further they would need injectors.

im gonan search around on other boards and see whats up. see if i can find soem goo dinfo

 

[Passion 4 Speed]

I'll sell you my stock turbo intake camshaft off my 90 GSX when i get it back in a week or so... probly 25$ or both for 40$

hey i will buy your intake cam..if your serious about selling it..

another ?..I have jus a k$n filter , and high flow muffler..if i put this camshaft on do i have to put in fuel mods such as pump and at injectors? In better words would i be running lean on stock fuel specs if I drop in a turbo camshaft??

 

[na90dsm]

i had a header,full exhaust,test pipe,injen intake, spark plugs and wires and didnt worry abotu running lean.

if you drop in the cam you will need to do injectors however. youll need at least those upgrades up top that i just said i had to see any gains from the cam that are worth putting it in. ditch the stock piping, go 2.5 pacesetter setup, use your muffler, get a nice intake, test pipe, header and youll see a good amount of tq. then worry about the cam

 

[Passion 4 Speed]

oo ok, thanks for the adivce

 

[Mike Marnik]

Hey im Running Daedalus's old cam set up. with the other mods in my profile i havent done any fuel mods yet and im supposed to get my data logger for x-mas so i will be able to get more detailed results on how its running fule ratio wise. The cams made a pretty big difference it was a great purchase plus i got em cheap from daedalus. I also have no got the cam gears tuned yet but hope to this spring?summer if i got the money. if you got any more questions bout the set up please ask oh ya the idle is just like it was before the 264 intake cam.