Where can I buy more boost fluid?

[LoUd91tsiFWD]

Hi all,
I recently purchased a 91 talon with the turbo. When I drove it, I could never feel the turbo give any power and the guy said it just needed some more boost fluid. He told me to look at the guage, and when I gave it some gas, it never reached boost and he said that meant it was empty. He didn't want too much for it and it was a 5 spd (what I wanted) so I bought the car for $2300 and got it home. Well the next day I looked around forever, but could not tell where I need to fill back up the boost. I saw some lines going into the turbo, so I am pretty sure that is where it needs to go.
The only problem now is that I cannot seem to find any of the fluid at my local auto parts stores. Most of them have never heard of anything like it and one other place said they no longer carried it. Is this something I have to get at the dealer?


Anyways, if you can help please reply, I can't wait to start using the turbo again

 

[EvolvingGST]

redo your math for one... errrrrrrrrrr but its up to you... you could always go for turbo upgrade.... and if you look around im sure you can get cheaper turbos than what he quoted you. but turbo cars are expected to spend money. you could always go N/A which would make you slower and if you got another car for 2300 its gonna be slow, even for 4100 it will still be slow. well you might find another GSx, analyze the car more and see if anytyhing else needs to be changed is more important

 

[Racehound05]

Next thing hes gonna tell ya is to fill up your blinker fluid

 

[Turbo Guru]

Today
Did he find a reason for the car chewing up the turbine? If that is the only problem I would suggest that you replace the turbo, but not with the factory unit. If there was some other catastrophic reason for the failure, sell it or get your money back.

Tommorrow
I suggest that you find out what the labor charge for the removal/ install will cost you and tell him you will get back to him. Post his price here and we will tell you if it is a fair price. We will also guide you to the purchase of an upgrade for less than what the stock unit would cost from him. It is possible for you to come out of this situation (sp?) with an upgrade (I'm thinking along the lines of a small or big 16G) for less than he would charge you for the stock unit.

The next day
Tell him that you are suppling the turbo from an outside source for him to install (if we deem the labor charge is within reason.) The turbo will bolt on just as your stock unit did with no exception, he probably won't know the difference from looking at it. This (larger turbo) will provide you with a great platform for future performance upgrades because it flows more air than the stock unit at the same boost levels. The total price should be far less than $1800.00 in my opinion.

Sincerely,
Joe

 

[InferiorWang]

I was about to post the EXACT same thing as the last post when I realized that there was a fourth page to this thread. I gotta stop surfing this site after 1:00 or 1:30 at night.

 

[Blitzed95Eclips]

i completely agree. dont let this chump mechanic rip you off on a turbo. it sounds to me like he doesnt know a whole lot about turbo systems. And when it comes to fixing up my car i always want to make sure that the mechanic has done this before. I suggest picking up your car, doing a little research on mechanics who specialize in turbos or dsms near you and upgrade and get a second look at the car. you want to make sure there is nothing else wrong with it. i would also reccomend while you are in the process of fixing your car buying a aftermarket boosgauge. you can find a cheap one at autometer.com.

good luck

 

[GoFastTSI]

i completely agree. dont let this chump mechanic rip you off on a turbo.

Yeah, that chump mechanic found exactly what is wrong with his car. Also, $1800 is what a replacement 14B costs from the dealer, so keep that in mind also. My suggestion would be to either buy a used one off the DSM Trader for around 100-200, or get a 16G for around 450.

Joe

 

[Turbo Guru]

Originally posted by GoFastTSI

Yeah, that chump mechanic found exactly what is wrong with his car.

Why is he a Chump Blitzed95eclipz? He correctly diagnosed the problem (hopefully nothing else is wrong) and offered the correct solution.

Originally posted by GoFastTSI

Also, $1800 is what a replacement 14B costs from the dealer, so keep that in mind also. My suggestion would be to either buy a used one off the DSM Trader for around 100-200, or get a 16G for around 450.
Joe

$ 1800.00 is what the dealer charges for replacing the factory turbo, and the repair place probably sources the replacement parts from the dealer. I don't suggest buying a used turbo, it could have problems. Why take the chance? The small or big 16G can be purchased cheaply through someone like Forced Performance. their link is: http://www.forcedperformance.net/dsm_turbo.htm

I think he will come through this just fine and be happy with his car. I also think that he will spend alot of time doing research before buying anything else (hint hint, Loud91tsiFWD.) BTW, I also agree with the purchase of a boost guage to keep an eye on things, get an Autometer they are very reliable.

Regards,
The other Joe

 

[eb4i]

Boost fluid? What color is your hair? There is a saying that goes something like " It's a crime not to part a fool from his money". Well, the guy that sold you the car saw you coming and wanted to make sure that no crime was committed. Go find a friend and have him boot you in the balls enough times to make you realize that before you buy a car, you thoroughly check it out.

 

[nholley]

Originally posted by eb4i
Boost fluid? What color is your hair? There is a saying that goes something like " It's a crime not to part a fool from his money". Well, the guy that sold you the car saw you coming and wanted to make sure that no crime was committed. Go find a friend and have him boot you in the balls enough times to make you realize that before you buy a car, you thoroughly check it out.

Hey man, don't go given the guy sh*t for making a mistake.

Offer some useful advice or don't offer any at all.

 

[brynden29]

^^^^ Werd, I agree. We all make mistakes, lets help him fix his.

 

[peejay]

That guy might not be as dumb/stupid/slimy as he appears...

Oldsmobile F-85s (turbocharged 215cid all-aluminum V8s... in 1962!) had factory water injection. Actually it was a methanol/water blend - they called it "Rocket Fluid". When the reservoir went empty, the control mechanism (imagine typical pre-computer switch/solenoid/vacuum line nightmare) would hold the wastegate open and prevent the turbo from spooling up enough to provide boost.

So yes, this is cars that are now 40 years old... but there ARE some cars that, if they run out of "boost fluid" (aka Rocket Fluid aka water/methanol) then they won't have any boost.

As for the current situation... eep! Even with new turbo that's still cheaper than the car is worth in some other parts of the country, depending on the car's condition.

 

[LoUd91tsiFWD]

Wow

I told the mechanic about putting a different turbo on there instead (say a 16G) and I was going to purchase it and bring it to him to put on and he totally went off guard!
He said there was no way in hell he would put on a different turbo
1) it is not factory and he would be responsible if I blew the car up
2) He must buy the parts so he knows what he put on/warrenty etc.
3) He said a bigger turbo will only give me worse gas mileage, blow up my motor, and/or never spool so I would never feel it anyway. He urged me to buy the stock 14B or he would not put it on.

After he told me this, I laughed in his face and told him to just leave the car as it is. I really doubt any of that is true and he is just looking for money. So I am now on the lookout for either a cheap 14B or 16G and I will try and use the vfaq to put it on myself. Did I do the right thing?

 

[nholley]

Originally posted by LoUd91tsiFWD
Wow

I told the mechanic about putting a different turbo on there instead (say a 16G) and I was going to purchase it and bring it to him to put on and he totally went off guard!
He said there was no way in hell he would put on a different turbo
1) it is not factory and he would be responsible if I blew the car up
2) He must buy the parts so he knows what he put on/warrenty etc.
3) He said a bigger turbo will only give me worse gas mileage, blow up my motor, and/or never spool so I would never feel it anyway. He urged me to buy the stock 14B or he would not put it on.

After he told me this, I laughed in his face and told him to just leave the car as it is. I really doubt any of that is true and he is just looking for money. So I am now on the lookout for either a cheap 14B or 16G and I will try and use the vfaq to put it on myself. Did I do the right thing?

Dude, you're getting there. It is his choice not to work on a modified car. So be it. Some guys won't do it. I am not sure about him "buying the parts." That always makes me nervous. The bigger turbo might effect you gas mileage a little, and it will take a little longer to spool, but nothing too much.

You need to find someone in your area who knows Turbos and how to modify them. They will be able to do any work on it. Putting a bigger turbo on makes sense now. If you want to mod a DSM eventually you will need the bigger turbo. Remember, you also need the mods to support the bigger turbo.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/ will tell you the supporting mods. And www.dsm.org might put you in touch with some guys in your area who know a good turbo guy.

 

[AWDSOME]

Yes you did the right thing. I would try and find some place more reputable. I do not recommend trying to do the install yourself unless someone experienced from this board is willing to help.

I noticed your sig and need to ask if you are really being serious. If not you have put some serious effort into making up this story. The reason that I question the story is you mention very fast and very loud in your signature, which right now you are definitely not according to your story. Also, you mention a few mods done to the car.

 

[nholley]

Originally posted by AWDSOME

I noticed your sig and need to ask if you are really being serious. If not you have put some serious effort into making up this story. The reason that I question the story is you mention very fast and very loud in your signature, which right now you are definitely not according to your story. Also, you mention a few mods done to the car.

The man makes a good point. I had never thought of that.

 

[Blitzed95Eclips]

yeah and you guys questioned me when i called the mechanic a chump... all i can say is i told you so i told you so and go back to what i previous wrote and look for a mechanic that knows what hes doing.

 

[Turbo Guru]

Somewhat, But we are beyond that now.

1) It is a factory Mitsu turbo, just not from your car.

2) He need only warranty the labor if you supply the turbo.

3) Is BS! It is possible to damage your motor with a larger turbo but only if you run WAY to much boost. If you have the stock boost setting you should never have a problem. The 16G is a factory Mitsu Turbo and
1- will spool just fine.
2- not affect your gas milage noticably on stock boost settings.
3- Won't blow up your car unless you overboost (manually with a controller) beyond what your car can handle.

There is a VFAQ and it is pretty much self explainatory, but if you run into trouble just ask us. Doing it yourself is the best way to learn about your car, Just don't half-@ss anything.

I recommend the small or large 16G for your replacement selection. You can get it from Forced Performance the link is in one of my earlier posts to this thread.

Good luck,
Joe

 

[LoUd91tsiFWD]

Believe what you want, My sig is how I think of my car. It is loud, and I know it can be fast (when the turbo is working right) although I have not experienced the turbo yet, but I do know the 3" catback is loud. When I went to look at the car the first time, I had no idea what it had in it. They guy said it was turbocharged and is very fast, and I know turbos make vehicles faster. So what's to question?
Anyways back on topic

I feel like I should try and put the turbo on myself for the one reason that I do NOT trust any local mechanic in my area. I feel I am being ripped off and taken advantage of.
I read through the vfaq many times now, and I think I may be able to pull this off myself. IT looks like a simple bolt on process to me.
I already have an exhaust, should I get anything else for just a 16G upgrade? I heard that 16g's will give you 350 hp, whtat's the 14b give you?

 

[NewB2dsm]

A 16g CAN give you 350 HP is you do everything esle like bigger injectors, fuel pump, new intercooler and other stuff. You can get a 16g for like 625 bucks and run stock boost and be fine. But if you planing on turning the boost above 15psi or 17psi, you will want a new fuel pump and maybe new injectors. Good luck with your car

 

[EvolvingGST]

ok i agree with most guys here.

buy your own turbo and ask him or anbother place how much will they charge to change your turbo. forget everyone else who says anything abt blowing up the engine.

1. you should also think abt buying aftermarket boost controller and a boost guage before upgrading turbo.

2. sooner or later you will have to upgrade the pump, injectors, and innercooler (BUT not right now).

3. yes your fuel milage will lower if you raise boost

4. do you really care abt that.

5. it will only blow your motor if you raise boost without doing anything. and boost is safe to a certain extent on stock internals because the boost isn't even maxed on the turbos built in.

6. the Big 16G is the same turbo used in the Evolution Lancer III so it can be bought at Mitsubishi if you dont trust other companies. Actually they also make a 16G and a small 16G 18G and even a 20G.

sorry to cut off but i need food

 

[Bohrn]

take your time, do your research, ask questions, and most importantly, don't let the pricks who need to take advantage of you(either by taking your money due to your inexperience, or by making themselves feel big by pointing out your hardship) to feel good, get you down.

You will get thru this. Also, maybe you wanna get a shop manual, some tools, and do this turbo swap yourself. you might surprise yourself. If you do, you will feel like you own the world! Only do it if you have time, and get EVERYTHING you need before you start. Again, do your research. And follow every step!

Of course, you don't sound like the type who takes cars apart for fun or profit, but we all start somewhere. I once did a timing belt on an A1 VW 1.6l with hand tools in -25 weather with snow because I had to. But I enjoy working on cars. It is scary the first time, but maybe you will really like it.

best of luck, and keep smiling

 

[EvolvingGST]

yeah i really respect you for not losing it with these some of these guys... not all of them mean to be rude if they come off as that. hehe they show love in a different way. From what i heard and read, its not extremely difficult to do a turbo swap. eventhough i havent done one yet. But most people say its very simple. So people say, but im sure with enough heart you can do it. And i will try myself when the time comes .

Ask lots of questions, like BG says there is no such thing as a stupid question.

 

[LoUd91tsiFWD]

Well I just purchased a brand new 16G turbo from turbochargers.com
I am having them rush deliver it to me so hopefully I can get it by early next week! I also went ahead and bought a chilton's manual to hopefully help me out along the way. Wish me luck!

 

[EvolvingGST]

while ur at it i heard the CD is better than the manual!

 

[Bohrn]

good for U loud!!

best of luck, and have fun.