What race gas is everyone running?

[Archer Fabrications]

Fucj sorry. I missed a few posts there!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Someone here is running crazy purple race gas and i dunno the name. But i heard it was also good.

 

[11secDSM]

It's called FTW....Chris Miller's special blend.

 

[bastarddsm]

Drive to 'murica, fill up a 55 of E85, be done with it.

 

[little-razcal]

I too have left the Q16 just sitting in the cell for months with no issues at all.. This may apply for certain fuel line materials.

Am I the only one that has heard of FTW race fuels? I think they have a fuel called "purple". I thought I heard they have like a newly developed e85 type fuel mixed with other high octane fuel. Id like to try it sometime for sure.

 

[VisionPaintball]

FTW Purple vs E98 in the T1 Integra - Honda-Tech

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I'd like to keep ethanol blends out of this thread. This is for people that don't have that readily available in the area.

 

[Hal]

I'd like to keep ethanol blends out of this thread. This is for people that don't have that readily available in the area.

How is that any different than not having race gas readily available in the area?

 

[11secDSM]

Hal has a point...if you can get C16, you can get C85.

 

[horizontalkev]

What are the effects of E85 and how hard to tune for?

What are the effects of 100LL Avgas and how hard to tune for?

I just need to raise my octane from 91, that's all. Im not trying to go balls out and rape people on the dragstrip, not yet Atleast. Im running around 18psi of boost and I want to have a good octane to avoid knock/detonation.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

How is that any different than not having race gas readily available in the area?

Race gas tunes differently than E85 and also requires a much higher fuel flow and much leaner afrs. yes its better i agree but not worth that time to retune EVERYTHING, when dumping race gas in i only have to moderately retune I'm trying to make do with my pte1000s which are already at 98% and I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation.



And i am trying to go balls out on the track. I'm shootin to try out c16 i think. Because it's something i can get last minute (vp dealer 40mins away) and c16 is a consistent octane fuel unline some E85 blends or other seasonal blends. There are only two E85 pumps in ontario and not close to me. Sure i could drive to an e85 pump but ita not worth it for that drive when it burns faster then race gas or regular gas. And since my car is a daily driver also it's not economical to drive an hour away every time i need to get ethanol

 

[ArcticTsi]

We have used Q16 on numerous occasions, and if your mixing fuels, we have found it doesn't like to be mixed with anything else.

Has anyone else had issues with mixing Q16. I use to mix C16 with 93 pump all the time back in day. But near me the VP guy only has Q16. IF it really is an issue I can always just empty my tank and put straight Q16.

 

[99gst_racer]

I've been running leaded 110 octane exclusivily in my DSM since 2006. Works perfectly and it's cheap compared to the VP stuff. I run either Sunoco purple 110 or Turbo Blue 110 depending on pricing and availability.

 

[J_HEATH]

Personal experience and my knowledge of race fuels.

FIC 2150's & ID 2000cc injectors you can not run Q16, it will destroy the seals. Now ID 1000cc injectors and FIC 1200's you can run Q16 all day long. You can not mix an oxygenated fuel with pump gas, you should mix leaded fuel with pump gas, in the course of a day it will separate and you'll have unleaded floating on top and race gas on the bottom of your tank. which could be really bad if you tuned the car on a higher octane.

I love Q16, the smell, the performance gains, I ran 28psi on a Buschur 20G with no knock. The car purred like a stock car and hauled ass. I was able to run a 7.0@89mph on street tires with no nitrous.

But I had to switch to ID 2000cc injectors from the 1000's due to a bigger setup. So now I'll be switching to E98. Q16 is really expensive, my price on it was $75 for a 5gal pale. For $250 I can get a 55gal drum of E98. BTW with the ID 1000's on Q16 dual fuel pumps (fullblown dual hanger) -8 feed -6 return, I was running about 40-60% injector duty cycle. Before the ID 1000's I had FIC 750's and they were maxed out seeing 102-108% duty cycle.

Also, with Q16 you'll need to be sure it doesn't vent when storing it, as it will lose oxygenation, and lose its power potential. It should be stored in a metal container, or if kept in your fuel tank/cell make sure any vents are capped off.

The only issue I experienced with Q16 was when I had a semi loose AN fitting on my fuel filter (the joints weren't all the way joined) and the Q16 oozed out of the spot while sitting and I noticed a tacky goop like substance. This is normal, as I was told by VP.

But other than that, I never had issues with injectors sticking, gunked up lines, or deposits in the head on the valves or anything. Plugs looked like plugs that run race gas, and the top of the pistons the same. Just some white substance that could be wiped off. Also too the smell of Q16 is nice, but strong, smells like alcohol from a top fuel car.

If you're looking for something a little cheaper the VP C16 (smurf juice) or Sunoco 116 would be fine too. VP Import is waaaay to damn expensive, and from what I've heard Q16 is almost just as good if not equal in performance gains.

FTW fuel, I've seen videos and such on the internet but haven't tried it myself. That stuff has to be the most expensive race fuel out there right now. But I'm not a big believer in fuel giving HP gains, mainly I use it has a safety for tuning. You can run more boost safer with better fuel, thus creating more power. Not, put this fuel in your tank with your current tune and you'll gain 50whp.

Anyone can put a car together, bolting stuff together is the easy part, going through the headache of tuning a car to perfection is the hard part.

 

[ArcticTsi]

J_HEATH, Great Post.

 

[Pipnorcali]

Hal has a point...if you can get C16, you can get C85.

I live out in the sticks where there is no e85 but napa can get the Sunoco 5gal race gas no prob.

 

[VRP]

All oxygenated fuels break down quik . About two days max in your tank and you either need to burn it up or drain it out.. This is my list from most powerfull fuels down from my experience.

#1 VP Import (when I can afford) $25 A gallon
#2 VP Q16 ( when I can afford) $16 A gallon
#3 E-85 Run most of the time $3.70 A gallon
#4 VP C16 and or Sonoco 110 about the same $8 TO $13 gal.

 

[DSM Chase]

we were half a second faster going from c16 to Q16...

 

[Archer Fabrications]

^woth no tuning or setup changes? Same boost and timing levels.... ?

 

[race_me89]

Yes you can run fuels with MTBE in them on your 1000s. I run q16 and swear by it. Another downfall it will evaporate over time. You also need to change your global
Fuel up 5% to get things lined up. It burns a tad leaner than c16.

Ok I was doing a lot of research about what injectors I wanted to run. It turns out the MTBE actually swells an
o-ring inside on the injectors. Now last year a new e85 race fuel came out to the public called FTW. I never believe what I consider to be a bandwagon decision.

What I did was instantly found out that it was oxygenated, and contained MTBE. Next step was what other fuels are out there that can perform similarly. I came up with VP Import and Q16 falls to a close second both are oxygenated and I can't find the info at this moment but I'm almost positive they both contain MTBE.

I was readin and looking and couldnt find reputable injectors that were recommended for use with MTBE. ID's are what the top guys are using in the sport front wheel drive class, I was confused so I started calling the shops and tuners of these cars. What they are doing is running these huge 2000 to 2200cc injectors and the injector swells when it's saturated in the fuel. The injectors become more of a 1800 to 1900cc injector from the tuners mouth. So what they do is allow the car to idle so the inject swells and then tune, I as also told that the injectors go back to the original flow once they dry out. This leads to the cars On a cold start spitting out raw fuel until the injectors swell.

Now if I were to choose a race fuel purely for the track I would go with VP Import or FTW

Daily driven car I would go with my local as station with e85 (but every gas station dos NOT have the same mixture so try to always use the same station and pump)

 

[bastarddsm]

This is epic. This car is your dd, so I'm assuming it's your only car?

Either way, it's going to be extremely expensive running it on C/Q16 all the time. It is also a huge pita to change fuels, you'll always have some 93 left in your tan, and that will extremely dilute your Q16 down when you only put 5 gal in at a time.

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

The downside of E85 is that the mix varies with the season at most pumps.

Here in Colorado an E85 test kit is a must have if you get you E85 any where other than Hill Petroleum.

They don't have off season blends, it's E85 all year round (proven time and time again by actual testing).

All of the commercial stations will range from E70 to E85 depending on the time of the year.

Hal

Where is hill petroleum located in colorado? I live in Denver.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

This is epic. This car is your dd, so I'm assuming it's your only car?

Either way, it's going to be extremely expensive running it on C/Q16 all the time. It is also a huge pita to change fuels, you'll always have some 93 left in your tan, and that will extremely dilute your Q16 down when you only put 5 gal in at a time.

Yeah it's my only car, but my girlfriend has an 09 lancer we daily drive mostly. like i said and I'll say it again, e85 not available. I was planning on just using race gas only at the track and having a more aggressive tune for the higher octane, no way in hell am i daily driving with 13+ dollar per gallon fuel......

I have an stm rewire kit on the way with my manifold so maybe that will help with my idcs at the moment. The bummer is the track has been rained out every weekend it's been open so far, sunday looks sketchy but it might be dry. I'm waiting for consistent weather for race gas.

To raceme89, your best information outlet for injectors an compatible fuels is talking to FIC. I'll also say that most if not all oxyginated fuels contain MTBE

 

[11secDSM]

I decided to switch from Klotz 118 to VP C85....should have some results next week.

 

[race_me89]

To raceme89, your best information outlet for injectors an compatible fuels is talking to FIC. I'll also say that most if not all oxyginated fuels contain MTBE

Yea I don't know how much anyone here on the dsm forums pays attention to the sfwd community.
But i spoke to two of the guys in the race for 7 second passes this season Chris miller racing, and speed factory racing they both run ID's with VP import and with FTW fuels. I'm on the fence with which of the two fuels I'll be running but they are both the top of the line

Im going with fic 2150s btw