what parts do you need to run 12s in a front wheel drive

[talonESturbo]

i was wondering what parts you need to run 12s in the quarter mile with an fwd talon.

 

[turboglenn]

yea, and at least a stage 2 or 3 turbo as well But you may have to go win a bunch of races against slower cars to get the money first

 

[93_tsi_fwd]

Get some skinny back tire's also.

 

[ilikespeeding]

^I hope thats a joke. That wont do anything. Put 50 psi in em and call it a day.

Use your money somewhere else. Get an odyssey dry cell kit on the subframe. When you get to the track, pull the bumper (actual, not the cover) and the headlight infront of the airfilter. Before hand, pull the speakers, door panels, radio, backseat, spare tire, passanger seat, and jack. That should be about 100 lbs.

 

[stealth_eclipse]

Yes, supporting mods are just those things listed and other things of that nature. Injectors, some way to tune, fuel pump, FMIC etc, etc..

I am going out to try and break 11's here this month, i wish you luck on your quest for 12's ....... If nothing else get yourself a quaiffe and some good motor mounts and slicks. Those have been the 3 best time improving mods i've done to my car. I get such good traction now that i'm wanting to go down to a faster spooling turbo!!! BEfore i had to use the laggy'ness of the big turbo because it helped manetain traction when i was on a pegleg differential, but now i'm ready for a turbo that hits like a freight train

An you can run 20 psi all day, that's not high (well maybe for a honda, but not for our cars) I ran 20 daily on pump gas until i went to E85. Now i'm running as much boost as i can everyday...my wastegate spring is maxed out giving me 23-25 psi depending on weather( someitmes i get 25 in the cool night, i get 23 in the hot day) I run that everyday beating the car at least once per drive and i'm running a hell of a lot of timing. All this is on an old tired stock block and a fresh stock head (both 1g parts)

well i have a friend that has a 90 GSX and he bend valves or goes threw head at around 20. so really 20psi will not tear up your internals in your engine?

as for motor mounts i searched on the forum and to my conclusion i guess Prothane is the way to go?

 

[demografik]

well i have a friend that has a 90 GSX and he bend valves or goes threw head at around 20. so really 20psi will not tear up your internals in your engine?

as for motor mounts i searched on the forum and to my conclusion i guess Prothane is the way to go?

that happened because he didn't know what he was doing. if you do it correctly, 20psi is no problem for the stock internals.

 

[turboglenn]

that happened because he didn't know what he was doing. if you do it correctly, 20psi is no problem for the stock internals.

Exactly, he either didn't tune right for the extra air or didn't tune at all. People that go around just cranking up boost on near stock vehicles are usually the ones who blow parts at or above 20psi. For those with a means to control at least fuel, venturing into the 20+ psi range is no problem as long as when aproaching higher boost in general, you watch a wideband and make sure that your AFR's are solid in the low 11's to high 10's. I prefer mid 11's when i can get away with it, but on pump gas you're better off just going somewhere between 10.6 and 11:1 to be safe since it's so prone to pre-ignition and detonation.

 

[CJTurbo]

well i have a friend that has a 90 GSX and he bend valves or goes threw head at around 20. so really 20psi will not tear up your internals in your engine?

as for motor mounts i searched on the forum and to my conclusion i guess Prothane is the way to go?

Prothanes are the way to go. As for mods, sway bars, good struts, LSD, and slicks. I just got a set of M/T slicks 24.5 x 8 x 15, can't wait to see the difference from 2.2 to 1.7 60ft. I have 115 mph but just flirted with 12's. The slicks should get me mid to low 12's.
Good luck

 

[airmail96]

Or you could get the solid metal motor mounts that are starting to become a little more popular. Only thing is you have to send your mounts out to get them made.

 

[daren_p]

well i have a friend that has a 90 GSX and he bend valves or goes threw head at around 20. so really 20psi will not tear up your internals in your engine?

as for motor mounts i searched on the forum and to my conclusion i guess Prothane is the way to go?

Your friend is doing something wrong I've run atleast 20 psi for the past 3 summers, last year 22-23 psi daily, this year 24-25psi daily & usually 25-26 psi at the track. Stock 7 bolt bottom end & pump gas (with meth injection). I know others who run 25-27 psi daily & have pushed their 7 bolt to the 30psi range. I know stock 6 bolt bottom ends that run more (35psi range at the track)

 

[turboglenn]

^^^^^ exactly, Proper tuning is what make the car hold together, if you just throw a big turbo and fuel pump on and think you can crank the boost way up, well, you're in for a surprise. but if you get a turbo with a fuel pump, bigger injectors and some sort of fuel management you cna run well over 20psi (just maybe not on pump gas without meth injection) Meth was letting me run 23 psi daily with a lot of timing where normal pump gas alone would have destroyed a piston or head gasket at least with the AFR's and timing i was pushing at 23psi.

Right now i run 23-25 daily tuned around 11.5:1 during WOT, but i'm E85 now and this motor is years old, stock and takes a beating daily

 

[stealth_eclipse]

so i should get a fuel controller. i know this is probably a dumb question but how do i get it were i can adjust the air? i would say with the fuel controller right but im sure im probably wrong .

 

[93_tsi_fwd]

^I hope thats a joke. That wont do anything. Put 50 psi in em and call it a day.

Use your money somewhere else. Get an odyssey dry cell kit on the subframe. When you get to the track, pull the bumper (actual, not the cover) and the headlight infront of the airfilter. Before hand, pull the speakers, door panels, radio, backseat, spare tire, passanger seat, and jack. That should be about 100 lbs.

If it wont do anything, then why is Turboglenn using them? All that interior piece is about 100lbs. Just say the back wheel/tires are about 30 to 40 lbs each, If you put wheels/tires that weigh about 10 to 15 lbs, then that would knock off about 50lbs on the back and less weigh being dragged by the front. Im sure it would improve more than .03 tenth of a sec.(before you edited your post)

 

[stealth_eclipse]

so how do i control the air? fuel controller?

 

[ilikespeeding]

.03 tenths of a second = .003 seconds.

Im not saying they're not functional, I'm just saying if you're trying to run 12s, then that's silly. If you're running 10s, then we'll talk about skinnies in the back. A 16G at 20psi with supporting mods will put you in the 12s all day long.

Fuel controller? As in an air flow converter? Yes. Get a piggyback, such as DSMLink.