Weapons owners Check-in [Merged 10-6]

[Defiant]

Something else I'd like to throw in: EVERYONE should see "Deadly Weapons" and its follow-up, "Deadly Effects".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-2596727-1599343?v=glance&s=video
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...11196/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/102-2596727-1599343
I don't think they're on DVD, but everyone should see these, regardless their view of firearms.
Who'd suspect a .50-caliber BMG round would be deflected by plate glass?

 

[BISHILVR]

Something else I'd like to throw in: EVERYONE should see "Deadly Weapons" and its follow-up, "Deadly Effects".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-2596727-1599343?v=glance&s=video
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...11196/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/102-2596727-1599343
I don't think they're on DVD, but everyone should see these, regardless their view of firearms.
Who'd suspect a .50-caliber BMG round would be deflected by plate glass?

They are'nt toys, and thats the reason I dont play with them, I dont want to get too comfortable with one and let my guard down, and after a while it's just bound to happen.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

They are'nt toys, and thats the reason I dont play with them, I dont want to get too comfortable with one and let my guard down, and after a while it's just bound to happen.

Now you said "Play" A firearm is a serious commitmint and you don't play with a firearm. You train with it. If you are not confortable with a firearm then a accident is more likely to happen, amd also if your not comfortable in handling a firearm you have no business touching one. To handle a firearm safely in my opinion. You have to be absolutely comfortable in the way you handle your firearm. With safety and caution. Its not about letting you guard down its about responsibility. My advice for the person who started this thread go get some training in how to safely handle your weapon. Now back on subject.

 

[knighteclipse1]

I've had my eye on an HK USP .45 for quite some time. One of these days when I have an extreme excess of money I will own one

I only take mine to the range about twice a month, and put 200 to 250 rounds through it, keep it clean and maintained. Occasionally I do the NRA competition thing. If I ever decide to get rid of it. You'll be the first person I contact. I don't believe in screwing people over so it would be reasonable.

 

[96whgsx]

Now you said "Play" A firearm is a serious commitmint and you don't play with a firearm. You train with it. If you are not confortable with a firearm then a accident is more likely to happen, amd also if your not comfortable in handling a firearm you have no business touching one. To handle a firearm safely in my opinion. You have to be absolutely comfortable in the way you handle your firearm. With safety and caution. Its not about letting you guard down its about responsibility. My advice for the person who started this thread go get some training in how to safely handle your weapon. Now back on subject.

Thanks for your advice on owning a firearm. My co-worker is very familiar with the 1911s and he is more than willing to show me the ropes of owning a gun. He says he will teach me the anatomy of a firearm, and how to take the gun apart and put it back together. If I was uncomfortable around guns, then I would not have considered buying one. If I do not want to own a gun, then I can just sell it off, no biggie. Thanks for your comments.

 

[96whgsx]

Shit, I should have read up more on the Handgun ban law, where possession of a handgun is illegal under this law. I know this won't hold up in court but it better be over by April, when everybody is supposed to turn their handguns in. That sucks. I'm just going to wait until it is appealed then buy it. But good discussion here, lots of good info. I would still like to have this thread opened because I'm still going to get a handgun, just later on.

If I'm mistaken about the law that will force pre-ban handgun owners to turn in their handguns, please say something. I looked at a couple of documents on this and nothing was clearly said about pre-ban gun owners.

 

[pnishr]

Shit, I should have read up more on the Handgun ban law, where possession of a handgun is illegal under this law. I know this won't hold up in court but it better be over by April, when everybody is supposed to turn their handguns in. That sucks. I'm just going to wait until it is appealed then buy it. But good discussion here, lots of good info. I would still like to have this thread opened because I'm still going to get a handgun, just later on.

Well, it'll only be turned over in the courts after somebody refuses to follow it on the grounds that it violates standing california statutory law. (Federal district courts, appellate courts, and the supreme court only here specific incident cases that just might happen to have huge political impacts.) and it does. When are politicians gonna figure out that banning guns doesn't stop criminals from getting them? idiots.

Anyway, if you're set on just a range gun there's no reason to go strait to a .45. i think people may be forgetting you're new to guns. get a 9 and get used to it. then step up to a .45. 9mm ammo is cheaper, more available, less time to reload magazines (10-18 as opposed to 7+1) anyway, it's a better starter gun. but good luck to you whatever you choose.

J

 

[chuckdog_5]

Well guys, ive always wanted to buy a handgun and i finally started looking into it. Ive decided to go with a 9mm, not sure what kind tho. Ive looked at a Kahr, Taurus, and a Ruger. Im still waiting on my price qoute on a Sig. I want to keep it decenetly light incase i ever decide to carry it, taurus millenium is a pretty small one, so i may lean towards that. Well let me hear what you guys think and if you have pics throw them up here.

charles

 

[ericbev]

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[eldiabloz13]

Baretta 9mm. Expensive but why else to you think cops carry them. Only because they performe so well. Long range and short rang with a minimal blowback. Accuracy and versitility is a must with hand guns. Ruger would be my 2nd choice. Glock=cheap ass plastic. It will blow up in your hands and it will hurt you more if it does. Iv seen and heard of 10 of these doing it. If you get a good one it will last forver and will performe just as long as it lasts. Ruger and baretta top of the line. You get what you pay for and DO NOT CHEAP OUT on a handgun. Do you want to die? If so get a crap gun. It will jam,implode,rust,may even go off w/o you wanting it to. Then again some people say whats your purpose. I dont want to know what its for!!! If your going to use it a lot....go good quality....not that much use any other. If you take car of it then all guns last well. You just have to clean them a lot. No oil should be on it or finger prints will rust right up. If you looking for a small gun. Glock has small ones and baretta i think may produce smaller versions.

That gun above will destroy w/e it hits. Its not that small though.

 

[Whitetalonb16g]

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Glock 23 .40cal, I love it ! Its pretty compact but more than enough gun to get the job done.

 

[The_EE]

I used to have a colt 1911 .45 pistol. Was my dad's when he was in Nam. Shaved the firing pin on it, he made it full auto. Was a blast to fire. Unfortunatly it was stolen a number of years ago during a break in and never to be seen again.

 

[chuckdog_5]

it ###### wont see a lot of firing time, but i want to take it out and shoot as much as i can, also for personal protection, so i dont need something that will blow a wall in bits, just something to get the job done, i shot a glock 22 the other day, pertty nice gun, but i dont need something with that kid of power. does anyone know good places to buy handguns online or if anyone is selling one(not even sure if that is legal) pm me.

charles

 

[perley03]

S&W Model 686 .357 Magnum....I fell in love with this gun, and I've honestly shot alot of other calibers, and i didn't like them. .44 Mag is too much, can't control it. I do silhouette shooting, so a steady shooting gun is the way to go. I shot my friends .30 Harriet wildcat Contender and fell in love with that, but for $2300, he can keep it. Plus i got to buy reloading equipment since you cant buy those off the shelf. I just pay him to load my ammo for me when i compete, but for just gravel pit shooting i just buy a plain box of ammo and have fun.

 

[perley03]

it ###### wont see a lot of firing time, but i want to take it out and shoot as much as i can, also for personal protection, so i dont need something that will blow a wall in bits, just something to get the job done, i shot a glock 22 the other day, pertty nice gun, but i dont need something with that kid of power. does anyone know good places to buy handguns online or if anyone is selling one(not even sure if that is legal) pm me.

charles

Guns America they sell a bunch, new and used online, totaly legal. They do the necessary background checks and all that BS and will ship it to you within a reasonable time.

 

[95Talonized]

I was lookin at a glock at bass pro the other day and the guy told me that they dont have a safety!! I shot a glock model 27 i think it was and its was way to small, my little finger was hanging off the handle and it bugged the shit outta me. On another note i've talk to some local cops and they said that they liked the beretta's way better than their curent glocks. When i was at Bass Pro i held a Ruger and it feelt like a cheap piece of plastic, but they are easy to strip and clean...etc.

 

[leet]

I don't have any. I'm saving up for a Heckler & Koch USP .45

I've never had a problem with Glocks, nor heard of others having any.

Beretta .45's are pure sex.

I don't like Ruger handguns at all, I've shot 9mm's, .40's and .45's from them. The guns were kept in excellent shape but both the owners and myself had issues with them jamming every now and then (granted, not often, but once is more than enough.) I do like their Over/Under Shotguns, though

1911's are also a blast.

 

[AW4G63]

How did I never sign into this thread? Oh my!


God Bless America....


I have here:

RockRiver AR15
3 AK47s
Winchester M57 .22L/S
Mosberg 500 tactical
SW 40VE
Arminus 7 shot .32 revolver

 

[AW4G63]

I was lookin at a glock at bass pro the other day and the guy told me that they dont have a safety!! I shot a glock model 27 i think it was and its was way to small, my little finger was hanging off the handle and it bugged the shit outta me. On another note i've talk to some local cops and they said that they liked the beretta's way better than their curent glocks. When i was at Bass Pro i held a Ruger and it feelt like a cheap piece of plastic, but they are easy to strip and clean...etc.

Honestly most guns don't have a traditional safety. Most have a rear handle safety that's depressed updon holding the weapon and maybe a trigger saftey.

When you're talking defense, you don't want a safety. You should be able to safely handle a weapon without ever touching the trigger.

 

[LandoAWD]

Since this got dug up, I'd like to offer a "WTF" to this post:

Baretta 9mm. Expensive but why else to you think cops carry them. Only because they performe so well. Long range and short rang with a minimal blowback. Accuracy and versitility is a must with hand guns. Ruger would be my 2nd choice. Glock=cheap ass plastic. It will blow up in your hands and it will hurt you more if it does. Iv seen and heard of 10 of these doing it. If you get a good one it will last forver and will performe just as long as it lasts. Ruger and baretta top of the line. You get what you pay for and DO NOT CHEAP OUT on a handgun. Do you want to die? If so get a crap gun. It will jam,implode,rust,may even go off w/o you wanting it to. Then again some people say whats your purpose. I dont want to know what its for!!! If your going to use it a lot....go good quality....not that much use any other. If you take car of it then all guns last well. You just have to clean them a lot. No oil should be on it or finger prints will rust right up. If you looking for a small gun. Glock has small ones and baretta i think may produce smaller versions.

That gun above will destroy w/e it hits. Its not that small though.

Ooookkkkaay?

 

[AW4G63]

Since this got dug up, I'd like to offer a "WTF" to this post:


Ooookkkkaay?

Bwhahaahhaa, that guy is in his own little world.

Funny you spotted that!

 

[tallywacker]

berretta's do take a beating though that why there the standard sidearm in the military

 

[gbell]

How someone can say Glock are unrealiable is beyond me. No gun, not even the great 1911 can compete with the Glock when it comes down to reliablity. Drop em - they shoot, underwater -they shoot, never clean them - they shoot. Pretty much they do exactly what they are supposed to do, all the time, great guns, even though there are many good options out nowadays

 

[AW4G63]

berretta's do take a beating though that why there the standard sidearm in the military

They were carried in protest. The 1911 should still be the sidearm choice IMO.

Even police strayed away from it asoon as possible. Most are using a Glock or Sig anymore.

 

[AW4G63]

How someone can say Glock are unrealiable is beyond me. No gun, not even the great 1911 can compete with the Glock when it comes down to reliablity. Drop em - they shoot, underwater -they shoot, never clean them - they shoot. Pretty much they do exactly what they are supposed to do, all the time, great guns, even though there are many good options out nowadays

Actually they do not shoot underwater. That is a VERY common "urban legend".




Taken from Topglock.com

Just about any handgun will fire underwater -- at least once. However, firing underwater is NOT recommended because it can have devastating effects on the pistol and the shooter -- a potentially dangerous activity that should only be utilized by trained personnel wearing proper equipment for protection against potential pressure wave effects of underwater detonation. The shock/pressure waves in water can really damage internal organs (ever heard of lithotripsy?). Shooting a pistol underwater can lead to property damage, serious bodily injury or even death.

NOTE: Glock, Inc., specifically disclaims any and all liability from anyone performing or attempting to perform underwater firing with a Glock pistol -- you do so at your own risk.

The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water. The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties). They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes. With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits. The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures. Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
concussion.

However, any Glock -- even those not equipped with maritime spring cups -- will normally fire while submersed underwater. But doing so may generate excessive internal pressure and may cause the pistol to literally blow up. This is especially true with the use of high-pressure rounds (such as the .40 S&W/357 SIG) or hollow-point bullets.

I recall a reported incident where a Glockster on a boating holiday decided to show some friends how his Glock would fire underwater (because Tommy Lee Jones said so in the movies). He stuck his hand overboard, pulled the trigger and came back with a bunch of shredded plastic and a badly injured hand.

Another reported case was the Glockster who decided to try out his Glock 23 .40 S&W in the swimming pool after seeing pictures of Glocks being fired underwater on the web. He was totally submerged, with the gun, as he fired at a piece of wood on the bottom of his pool. The Glock did fire, the .40 S&W FMJ round left the barrel and went into the wood. The chamber also exploded and implanted shrapnel into his leg. Thinking that the water would muffle the blast, he did not wear hearing protection (the blast is actually about 4 times louder underwater). He is now mostly deaf in one ear and hears high-pitched tones most of his waking life.

As you can see, firing a pistol underwater is a *very* dangerous endeavor.
Several things could happen:
1) the firing pin may be slowed enough to not detonate the primer
(without the maritime spring cups)
2) the pistol could blow up in your hand;
3) the concussion could damage ears, eyes or internal organs;
4) the bullet may not go where you intend it to.

Even if you have the right equipment, know what you're doing and follow the rules -- the risks for underwater firing are minimized -- but not eliminated. Your pistol's barrel could be affected by water obstruction and your body by damaging concussion. By using hollow point bullets (water may cause the bullet to expand in the barrel), high pressure ammo, etc. -- you're asking for an underwater kaBoom! It you fire near solid or hard objects, the bouncing concussion can cause extensive, perhaps even fatal external/internal tissue injury. Why risk it?