Weapons owners Check-in [Merged 10-6]

[L2RTSiAWD]

pics?

and pics of it revealing a bit?

im in debate, compact or not compact.

I might take a couple today.

 

[mavisky]

DSM FULL-AUTO Shootout!

We could do it like that biathalon in the winter olmypics. 1/4mile pass, 5 targets, 1/2 autocross track, stop, 5 more targets, finish autocross course, 10 final targets.

20 rounds so 2 10 rounders per driver. Each missed target would equal 1 additional second to your time. I hope Shep and DG are bad shots .

 

[750_sport]

My car has a sun roof. Can I bring a passenger and my Barrett .50 or my AR-15?

I guess me popped out the sunroof with a .50 would bring a new meaning to GS-T(ank)

 

[FiReBReTHa]

I might take a couple today.

good stuff, Thnx man,

will help me ponder it.

 

[ClevSilverEclip]

Hi Point? Thats like bring a knife to a gun fight....

, don't even get me started on the knife/gun-fight thing. Ever see Al Mar have a go at training LEOs?

For proper self-defense, IMHO, both a good folder and a good pistol are both necessary (don't forget good training and practice, too!).

But that said -

Hi Point is the flee market gun for crack heads...... Brand new they are like $120

yet again. You'll not find me contradicting that statement. Hey, the guy's my friend, but like I said, he some times get the strange need for quantity rather than quality.

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I guess my x law enforcement backround asks me "why are you in a area you have to carry, if you know its unsafe dont be there"

and later

If your in a area you fell you need to carry. Dont be there........

Can't agree with you more.

But that said, there are just some unavoidables in life. Sometimes, no matter how far you go to avoid trouble, it finds you.

If I were to get caught-out - if there was *_absolutely_* no way out without grave harm to me or my loved ones - that's the ONLY time I would even remotely consider fighting back.

I took an oath to save lives.

I also took an oath to never use my training without the utmost justification.

I know that my being armed *_and_* my documented training *_will_* both come back to haunt me should I need to ever appear in a courtroom, even for rightful self-defense.

However, I'd rather be given the chance to be tried than to be unlawfully revoked of my right to life as a law-abiding citizen. And that goes double for my loved ones, too.

4# Never walk into a bar or a bank with a gun its illegal (airports we all know about)

Don't forget schools and hospitals! Also, remember that most government buildings are now no-nos for CCWs, too.



I urge every law-abiding citizen to be *doubly* aware of the laws of concealed-carry. Know it, and know it well! Like 98spydert said, be smart.

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I think he was saying most people DON'T Understand the conquences.. So know them, and be aware of what WILL happen....

EXACTLY !

It's a huge responsibility - don't exercise it lightly, and don't ever think it's a "macho" thing. It's something that requires adult thought, a knowledge of the law and of the consequences, and the fortitude to bear those consequences should, God forbid, the unthinkable happen.


Stay safe,

-A

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PS: 750_sport -
This one's for you
http://www.ibistek.com/viper.asp

 

[mavisky]

Well I went to the local gun and knife show this weekend to find some decent holsters and they had some nice ones from a company called Passport, including an inside the waistband I may look into for the larger pistols. They had some of the under armpit holsters but they were only for the 4 - 4 1/2" models. I'm still not sure how well they'll accomodate my new toy I did purchase there though.

NcStar Pistol Laser Mount - Flashlight ring

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Picked this little gem up for $69.99 and it seemed like a good deal, dual lithium battery flashlight and 3 cell laser. Flashlight has a hip holster like a maglite and a also has a quick-disconnect on it so you don't always have to have it on the gun. You can twist the rear of it to lock the light on or when mounted you can push in on the button on the end of the light to activate it with pressure, I'd prefer it was a switch, but its not too bad. The laser has a 4 way adjustment that I've got setup along with the sights within 15 minutes and so far looks like a pretty cool little system. Only downside is that with the quick disconnect for the flashlight the mount is pretty wide at the bottom (actually as wide as the grip of the gun). This may pose a problem when it comes to holster options and ccw ability.

 

[98spydert]

Noboby mentioned the Kahr K9? That's super easy to conceal, much easier than any glock model because it's a single stack mag. I went through NYPD police academy and some of the firearms instructors swear by it.

I checked that one out but although it's supposed to be flawless and feels very balanced, it's not comfterale at all. If I speant ~$900 I'm getting a weapon that feels good in my hand

 

[98spydert]

I guess my x law enforcement backround asks me "why are you in a area you have to carry, if you know its unsafe dont be there"

That's absolutely ridiculous, especially coming from a LEO. If everyone could always tell where danger was, this thread would be about hunting weapons or collecting, not ccw.
It's common knowledge that in a metropolitan area (mabye not AS much in small towns), criminals don't rob each other and they don't stick to their own turf. I don't live in the ghetto or even a bad neighbor hood and in the last 3 months, there's been a shooting and stabbing within a block of me and I had $1500 worth of stereo stuff jacked out of my truck. What's next? My house? My family, friends, neighbors...? Anyone who thinks they're safe because they steer clear of the "bad" neighborhoods needs to wake up. They might not need or want to carry but they need to be aware.

 

[InFlames]

I checked that one out but although it's supposed to be flawless and feels very balanced, it's not comfterale at all. If I speant ~$900 I'm getting a weapon that feels good in my hand

Well I know it may not be as comfortable as others to shoot but we're talking about concealing the weapon. You're going to be carrying this gun all day long, not shooting it. And around here it goes for about $450.

Off duty I carry a five shot S/W 340PD .357 (loaded w/ .38 Nyclad) with the scandium alloy frame, it feels like a toy.

 

[InFlames]

I urge every law-abiding citizen to be *doubly* aware of the laws of concealed-carry. Know it, and know it well! Like 98spydert said, be smart.


EXACTLY !

It's a huge responsibility - don't exercise it lightly, and don't ever think it's a "macho" thing. It's something that requires adult thought, a knowledge of the law and of the consequences, and the fortitude to bear those consequences should, God forbid, the unthinkable happen.


Stay safe
http://www.ibistek.com/viper.asp

 

[98spydert]

Well I know it may not be as comfortable as others to shoot but we're talking about concealing the weapon. You're going to be carrying this gun all day long, not shooting it. And around here it goes for about $450.

Off duty I carry a five shot S/W 340PD .357 (loaded w/ .38 Nyclad) with the scandium alloy frame, it feels like a toy.

Ah, I must be thinking of a different model then. I checked out a Kahr a few days ago and it was a 9mm, pretty small... and had a price tag of $780 or $880. I forgot which one

 

[ClevSilverEclip]

Picked this little gem up for $69.99 and it seemed like a good deal, dual lithium battery flashlight and 3 cell laser. Flashlight has a hip holster like a maglite and a also has a quick-disconnect on it so you don't always have to have it on the gun.

Not bad at all.

Overall, though, I still prefer one of the "proven" models from SureFire. It will cost a little more, but the long-term end-user results are there, and the follow-up support is outstanding from either their authorized retailers or from themselves. My current favorite is the E2D Defender, which incorporates a nice "strike bezel" that's not too " that's a weapon" looking to the average Joe or Jane.

The NcStar, though, does have that nice mounting option, but I find concealed carry with a tac-light of any type slaved to a pistol rather difficult. If I were LEO and were going for a full-out duty pistol option, I'd likely deck it with a SureFire or Insight dedicated pistol tactical light, but that would be much better suited to carry on a less visibility constrained tactical rig, be it on an exposed duty belt or otherwise.

Speaking of which, though, *_anyone_* had experience with the Springfield micro-light?

You can twist the rear of it to lock the light on or when mounted you can push in on the button on the end of the light to activate it with pressure, I'd prefer it was a switch, but its not too bad.

You'll love the SureFire brand, then. Give a look into them, as their units can be had either OEM or be retrofitted with "clickie" on/off tailcaps which can also function in "lock-out" mode and "momentary" mode.

If you're looking for LEDs (which have the benefit of longer run-times, especially in "limp-home" mode of significantly decreased output but still providing useful light), the new BlackHawk-NightOps units should prove to be a viable alternative for you. These are pretty new on the market/scene, but with Ken Good/Strategos behind this project, they're looking really, really good.

I'm actually very interested in obtaining one of the Gladius units, but all of my current $$$s are going towards the DSMs.

Only downside is that with the quick disconnect for the flashlight the mount is pretty wide at the bottom (actually as wide as the grip of the gun). This may pose a problem when it comes to holster options and ccw ability.

You might want to look at either custom-leatherwork or custom polymer holsters. Neither will be cheap (but it won't be as expensive as you might think, either ), but it sounds like you are moving more and more towards this route.

For concealed-carry, though, I still prefer a distinct, detached, hand-held compact high-power tac-light (preferably with a strike-bezel) carried out in the open (i.e. clipped to your back or side pocket weak-side) - paired with, if desired, an integrated laser-sight (i.e. grip or guide-rod).

Keep safe,



-A
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[mavisky]

This little toy is by all means not the be all to end all in my weapon accessories, merely a cheaply priced option that I thought I'd give a shot. I was really looking at a laser attachment they had for $39.99 and then saw this next to it wiwth both a laser and flashlight for only $30 more. As large as the setup is with the flashlight in-tact I don't see it ever getting left on the gun except for at home where size isn't a concern. When I do end up carrying this gun (still need to get off my ass and get my ccw soon) then I'd only ever leave the laser on at most, and I may upgrade it to a lasermax system with an attached light from springfield. They have a very nice one themselves, which is actually built by Insight. For $99 it'd probably be my next flashlight purchase and since lasermax just recently added the xd's to their supported models lineup you can have both laser and light with these two for about $400 and only have the light protruding since the lasermax system replaces the guide rod. But at $400 for that combo you can see why the $69.99 alternative caught my eye for at least a trial run.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-xml.shtml

 

[ClevSilverEclip]

This little toy is by all means not the be all to end all in my weapon accessories, merely a cheaply priced option that I thought I'd give a shot.

Ah, you went slummin'! I must confess to that sin, too. Just too many fun gizmos to pass up at the local shows, .

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-xml.shtml

That's the one I was asking about - I haven't seen or know of anyone who's using it....like to hear some first-hand reports, for sure.

-A

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[dsm5150]

Two great guns. I actually sold my xd-9 to get a 220, but I opted for a sniper rifle instead, savage .223 with 24x42 scope. It can read the letters of a business card at 100 yards.

Oh, and Verbalkint, where did you get 15 round mags for your xd-40, all I could find for mine were 12 rounders.

funny,i have the same gun.bolt action w/factory option heavy barrell.

 

[mavisky]

Ah, you went slummin'! I must confess to that sin, too. Just too many fun gizmos to pass up at the local shows, .




That's the one I was asking about - I haven't seen or know of anyone who's using it....like to hear some first-hand reports, for sure.

-A

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After doing some research I found out that the XML is made by Insight, a very well respected company in handgun lighting, and I'm not looking into their M6 which is a combination light and laser that's about the size of my current laser only attachment. It uses the indent and the rail to lock itself in place and has a 4 way toggle switch that can be set to either light, laser, or both, or off of course. The nice thing is that this should make the gun alot easier to holster with a light and laser attached.

http://www.bowerstactical.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?pid=818&cart_id=2654218.23417&ppi=PID

What I'm currently confused about though is this other item that is 99.8% identical, and cheaper to boot. I've also found this elsewhere for as low as $229

http://www.officerstore.com/store/product.cfm?pID=2591

They look to be the same item other than the one is engraved, the other has a decal, but both have the same specs, but different company names. Maybe its like the dsm's, same part slightly different under two names.

Edit: turns out at least the Insight M6 mounts on the XD.

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Edit #2: I now believe that these two systems are one in the same. Streamlight seems to be a major player in flashlight technology, but also offers the identical lineup to insight when it comes to hand gun lighting.

http://www.streamlight.com/tactical_specifications.htm

I'd assume that both Insight and Streamlight are owned and operated by the same company.

For any interested here's the cheapest froogle.com found for either of the two models.

http://store.botachtactical.com/intecm6.html

 

[ClevSilverEclip]

Streamlight and Insight are one and the same. I'm a "flashaholic" (a hobbyist who collects flashlights - I have a confessed bend towards "tactical" lighting and usage within the hobby, too), and can confirm that this indeed true. What may have happened between the two companies billing the item as "Streamlight" or "Insight Technologies" may just be an honest misnomer.

You obviously did a _lot_* of homework to have finally figured that out. It takes a while for non-hobbyists to dig through all the various references on-line about this kind of stuff. Good work, bro!

As for the Streamlight/Insight Technologies M6 (let's use the Insight Technologies reference from now on - this is because Streamlight, Insight Technologies' parent company, markets many flashlights and "tactical" flashlights, and thus a typo or otherwise off-hand mention of the M6 can be easily corrupted to reference one of their many flashlights - which is itself further complicated by the fact that SureFire has a hand-held tactical flashlight called just that, the M6....whew, confusing, ain't it? ), I got one a few months after they first became available. Problems reported with them back then were associated with the laser falling out of zero due to recoil, which in many instances happened due to the lack of a true set-screw on this particular design. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'd say that it's enough of a worry to warrant a closer look if you're indeed thinking about its purchase. That said, I do like mine, though - it's compact enough, but still, finding a good holster for it in terms of "concealment" is still going to present a problem. Luckily, if you're willing to carry the Insight Technologies M6 detached from the pistol's rail, there are several makes of either leather or polymer "light carriers" out there, and they can be set-up to either protect the lens (lens-down carry) or to lock-out the light to prevent against give-away accidental light-discharges (lens-up, thus "locking" the filpper toggles).

Another concern that some have reported with the Insight Technologies M3 and M6 include disturbingly frequent citations of the bulb "blowing out" due to harsh recoil characteristics of certain firearms. This has led some in the field to only endorse competitive units by SureFire and has itself, many believe, led Insight Technologies to introduce the newer "X"-series tactical illuminators (M3-X and M6-X), which are supposedly much more durable. Although initial reports on the X-series have been positive, I'm uncertain whether if Insight Technologies has addressed the issue of the original M6's laser zero-retention.

Also, and I know that this is strong personal-preference, while the Insight units are adjustable in terms of light focus, they will not produce a "defect free" field of illumination due to the fact that their reflectors are not stippled.

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Oh, BTW, BE CAREFUL when ordering from BoTach Tactical. While they are undeniably low in price, they've had, at best, a rather spotty record in both the tactical-supplies and also flashlight hobbyist fields when it comes to fulfilling personal/retail orders. I would HIGHLY recommend giving them an actual phone call and suffering through interminable "hold" in order to verify the product's stock status and actual shipping date (and to get the name of whomever helped you buy your desired products so you can call them back and scream at the right person! ).

I'm not bad-mouthing BoTach.....I'm just trying to give some hard-earned advice. Personally, though, I've never had a problem with them, but the reports are often enough and disturbing enough to warrant a warning.

-A

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[mavisky]

Streamlight and Insight are one and the same. I'm a "flashaholic" (a hobbyist who collects flashlights - I have a confessed bend towards "tactical" lighting and usage within the hobby, too), and can confirm that this indeed true. What may have happened between the two companies billing the item as "Streamlight" or "Insight Technologies" may just be an honest misnomer.

You obviously did a _lot_* of homework to have finally figured that out. It takes a while for non-hobbyists to dig through all the various references on-line about this kind of stuff. Good work, bro!

As for the Streamlight/Insight Technologies M6 (let's use the Insight Technologies reference from now on - this is because Streamlight, Insight Technologies' parent company, markets many flashlights and "tactical" flashlights, and thus a typo or otherwise off-hand mention of the M6 can be easily corrupted to reference one of their many flashlights - which is itself further complicated by the fact that SureFire has a hand-held tactical flashlight called just that, the M6....whew, confusing, ain't it? ), I got one a few months after they first became available. Problems reported with them back then were associated with the laser falling out of zero due to recoil, which in many instances happened due to the lack of a true set-screw on this particular design. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'd say that it's enough of a worry to warrant a closer look if you're indeed thinking about its purchase. That said, I do like mine, though - it's compact enough, but still, finding a good holster for it in terms of "concealment" is still going to present a problem. Luckily, if you're willing to carry the Insight Technologies M6 detached from the pistol's rail, there are several makes of either leather or polymer "light carriers" out there, and they can be set-up to either protect the lens (lens-down carry) or to lock-out the light to prevent against give-away accidental light-discharges (lens-up, thus "locking" the filpper toggles).

Another concern that some have reported with the Insight Technologies M3 and M6 include disturbingly frequent citations of the bulb "blowing out" due to harsh recoil characteristics of certain firearms. This has led some in the field to only endorse competitive units by SureFire and has itself, many believe, led Insight Technologies to introduce the newer "X"-series tactical illuminators (M3-X and M6-X), which are supposedly much more durable. Although initial reports on the X-series have been positive, I'm uncertain whether if Insight Technologies has addressed the issue of the original M6's laser zero-retention.

Also, and I know that this is strong personal-preference, while the Insight units are adjustable in terms of light focus, they will not produce a "defect free" field of illumination due to the fact that their reflectors are not stippled.

------------

Oh, BTW, BE CAREFUL when ordering from BoTach Tactical. While they are undeniably low in price, they've had, at best, a rather spotty record in both the tactical-supplies and also flashlight hobbyist fields when it comes to fulfilling personal/retail orders. I would HIGHLY recommend giving them an actual phone call and suffering through interminable "hold" in order to verify the product's stock status and actual shipping date (and to get the name of whomever helped you buy your desired products so you can call them back and scream at the right person! ).

I'm not bad-mouthing BoTach.....I'm just trying to give some hard-earned advice. Personally, though, I've never had a problem with them, but the reports are often enough and disturbing enough to warrant a warning.

-A

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Wow very cool info. Thanks for all of that. BTW, I order almost everything by phone. Haven't had any problems yet with items not showing on time or getting ripped off.

As a flashlight hobbyist, I'm sure you've heard of this.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24204/sesent/00

 

[leet]

funny,i have the same gun.bolt action w/factory option heavy barrell.

I have the same rifle as well, with a Leupold Vari-X 3 4.5-14AO and a shorty bi-pod on it. Damn thing weighs a ton :laugh:

I can't read business cards from 100 yards away, but I can see the squirrels no problem

Great gun for the price!

 

[eclipzed]

I am a Glock fan what else can I say I started out carrying a Glock 19 in a holster. Probably my favorite gun of all plus its awesome to shoot! I carried that in a holster for a while but then I decided I needed something smaller. Now I carry a Glock 36 which is a slimline .45 cal and carries a 6 round clip (single stack). Its easy to carry and easy to hide. I usually keep it in my jeans pocket loaded with Winchester Law Enforcement. Here is a pic of my "kids" Notice my new 31 round clip I got for my G19

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Eclipzed

 

[leet]

How does that 36 mate up to your hand? Is it a good fit?

They just look so stubby that I'm curious on the balance and what not.

 

[eclipzed]

How does that 36 mate up to your hand? Is it a good fit?

They just look so stubby that I'm curious on the balance and what not.

The 36 mates very well to my hand. Granted I have small hands being 6'2" 230lbs. If you see on the bottom of the clip Glock put the "pinky rest" there so it is a good solid feel. As far as firing, well if you ever take a glock apart you realize that the ratio of weight is greater on top since the slide IS the weight. I take it out and shoot it at a "range" and honestly after about 500 rounds it hurts my hand. There is "alot" of kick since it is a smaller .45 backed up with "plastic" and not steel like other guns but hey thats why i have a G19 I can shoot all day!!

Here is a link to all Glock models. If you see where the ones say Subcompact you will see how small they are. Ive handled a subcompact Glock before and I did not like how it felt at all!! I like having all fingers on the gun for maximum support instead of having my finger dangle in the air, granted I can get an extension for the clip but I am not a fan of those either.

 

[ClevSilverEclip]

As a flashlight hobbyist, I'm sure you've heard of this.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24204/sesent/00

No problem for the info - glad to be of some small help to a brother.

As for "The Beast," , my wife would kill me five times over if I ever got a puppy like that! Seriously, though, when CandlePower Forums (kin to DSMTuners in the flashlight hobbyist world) had the auction for a one-off custom-made light pretty much like The Beast, by one of the head guys behind SureFire, I'd thought about selling a kidney on eBay in order to join in the fun.



-A

 

[leet]

The 36 mates very well to my hand. Granted I have small hands being 6'2" 230lbs. If you see on the bottom of the clip Glock put the "pinky rest" there so it is a good solid feel. As far as firing, well if you ever take a glock apart you realize that the ratio of weight is greater on top since the slide IS the weight. I take it out and shoot it at a "range" and honestly after about 500 rounds it hurts my hand. There is "alot" of kick since it is a smaller .45 backed up with "plastic" and not steel like other guns but hey thats why i have a G19 I can shoot all day!!

Here is a link to all Glock models. If you see where the ones say Subcompact you will see how small they are. Ive handled a subcompact Glock before and I did not like how it felt at all!! I like having all fingers on the gun for maximum support instead of having my finger dangle in the air, granted I can get an extension for the clip but I am not a fan of those either.

I've used standard framed Glocks, and yes they are quite top heavy. However, I think they have a pretty good feel, it is easy to get the weapon up into firing position without having to even think about sight picture. I also agree about having all your fingers on the grip frame, that would drive me absolutely insane having to use a handgun with my pinky finger hanging in the air.

Thanks for the link!

 

[crashed97tsi]

Hey guys,

sorry to post this thread here, but after looking through the gun owner threads I figured this was as good a place as any.

anyways, I'm looking to buy a gun. I have never fired one before, so this will be my first one. The main reason I'm getting one is because I always had an interest in guns and wanted to learn how to shoot. However, the urge to get one has increased lately because the area in philly I'm moving to is one of the rougher areas in the city, especially for a scrawny white kid. I'm not trying to carry anything around with me, I just want something I can shoot at a range to practice and stuff and something reliable in case someone tries to break into my apartment or something.

Anyway, here's the one I have been thinking about. http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=14

Its a Ruger P97. Most of the reviews I have read have been favorable, I just wanted to know if anybody had an opinion on it for a first timer. My price range is around 450, so I understand I am kind of limited on my options. Any opinions, good or bad, are greatly appreciated.

Thanks