Turbo Kit

[abaddon_baliel]

You're not listening. Do one thing at a time.

What do you think I'm doing? I'm not doing this all at once. I just know what I want for the big picture, and I was listing that.

I've decided I am going to do the turbo kit first, since the E85 conversion involves too much atm. I'll get my car used to that, then I'll do the conversion and be done w/ it before I eventually rebuild the engine for higher horsepower.


Thanks for all the help.

 

[cs82685]

IMO, and I'm sure others will disagree, but I would start with the basic boltons that you won't replace once you boost the car (i.e. intake manifold, 55/60mm throttle body, etc.) and MSnS. If you can install megasquirt before boosting the car and learn how to tune with it, get the gauges you need and fully understand it, then you can get what is the largest learning curve out of the way first and when mistakes may cost you the least amount of money.

What I mean by this, is if you boost the car then install megasquirt and try tuning and something goes completely wrong, you risk not only damaging the engine but also that new $700 turbo can become a $700 paperweight due to a lack of oil pressure or a chunk of your motor running through the exhaust turbines if something goes wrong internally. That's like people who trust a fully built motor to an ebay turbo and then get pissed off when the turbo breaks into pieces and they get sucked into the motor and cause even more serious damage.

Looks like you did look at treadstone as I suggested though, good for you. Also, where are you getting this 'e85 conversion kit' from?

Also, I support the zeitronix products because you can do a lot with their wideband, 02, boost, egt, e85 analyzer, it goes on and on

Finally, if you have megasquirt you will not need a 12:1 fmu or a vortech sfmu. Again the basic turbo kit here will end up with you replacing parts down the road. If you're serious, starting with megasquirt can be a big money saver as you continue to upgrade the car. Not to mention it's one of the best bang for the buck mods you can do to a n/t (see threads by bullettdsm)

 

[Fotowntalon]

i'd do some more sesearch on the OBX intake manifold, a lotta people have fitment trouble, and our stock IM's are rather good if ya get a good P&P.

I also agree with cs82685, better to get the things on the list before the turbo, not only will you get a better understanding of tuning and the engine, but u will get to play with some of your toys before you get everything completed.

 

[Kyle97-clipse]

Yeah I got to agree with everyone hear to you want to learn how to use MS before you ruin something with the turbo. Would be a great idea to do the bolt ons you can keep once you go turbo

 

[rstare]

I think Cory has made an excellent suggestion. I too think this would be a great idea, for anyone for that matter. The reason I suggested starting with a simple turbo kit is that you seemed like you wanted to jump into modification right away. With MS, a lot of reading comes before anything, a lot of reading. Be sure you know what you're getting into with MS before you purchase it.

 

[abaddon_baliel]

Thanks for the suggestions, and I think I will def. get MS before anything now and the gauges and whatnot, so I can get a feel for them and understand them before, as you said, I do some damage. I'm not worried about the reading aspect, I grasp things pretty quickly.

E-85 Fuel conversion kit
http://www.maperformance.com/ethanol-e85-fuel-conversion-dsm.html-rail-dsm.html

Again thanks for the help.

 

[abaddon_baliel]

also I have another question, but it's about the suspension. I'm replacing everything suspension-wise, so would a coilover damper kit be able to be installed with the tokico blue hp suspension kit? (or are they the same thing, only the coilover kit is better?)

Megan Racing Coilover Damper kit $800
Megan Racing Coilover Damper Kit(Street Series): Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99

Tokico Blue HP suspension kit $400 (Struts)
Tokico Blue HP Suspension Kit 95-99 Eclipse/Talon FWD

 

[abaddon_baliel]

For anyone who was keeping track of this thread, to the suspension -- The coilovers are better, the Tokico set is the same thing, just without as much adjust ability or ride comfort. Either will do the job for a street car, however.

As for e85... just don't do it, unless you have a dedicated gas station, have upgraded all your lines, and know what you're really getting into.

Nitrous -- never do it, not with this engine. You'll blow it soon.

turbo -- FORGE THE INTERNALS!! Cannot stress this enough. Turns out I did have a JE/Eagle combo in my engine, but I got lucky. I did not however end up doing the turbo kit, as I traded my GS for a 97 Spyder GST in early 2010. My wife still has a 95 RS though, so I'm still working with this platform.

The Treadstone turbo kit is, imo, one of the best out there for price and quality. It gives you a LOT more options for turbos, everything you need to start out with, and you can choose a pretty rowdy turbo to start out with that's capable of 600whp (although a street car should never see those numbers, and it takes a lot more than a turbo to do it.)

About engine management -- as everyone else said, GET IT FIRST before the turbo. You can learn with it, learn how to read your gauges, learn how to tune a little bit, and if you destroy anything -- you were replacing it anyways.

About horsepower -- before you even think about getting into high horsepower numbers, MAKE SURE YOUR SUSPENSION CAN HANDLE IT! Unless you wanna be driving and your axle breaks or your tires crack off, make sure you've done the proper research and maintenance. You need new front axles, at the least. Make sure your CV joints and everything connecting the wheel to the axle is in good shape. This is a must-need maintenance even if you don't go over 200HP. Shit breaks, and you gotta fix it.

I'll still be following this thread, since it is my thread. Any questions, ask and I'll comment or some Wiseman will eventually.

Good luck!