transmission

[cyrez187]

so i have a Phantom Grip Limited Slip Diff. putting it in soon, damn expensive!
woundering what u guys thought about it, and if anyone out there has one and if they have had any trouble with them? thanks

 

[VelocitàPaola]

so i have a Phantom Grip Limited Slip Diff. putting it in soon, damn expensive!
woundering what u guys thought about it, and if anyone out there has one and if they have had any trouble with them? thanks

You're asking for our opinion after you bought it? WTF

I think it's a good alternative to the Quaife, up to a point. Once you get past 300whp or so, it just won't cut it though.

Technically, it isn't a real limited slip; it's a retrofit to your open differential. It puts too much pressure on your spider gears - which means they may snap. If that happens you'll need a whole new differential.

In short, it's good for less power, but if you want true performance, you can't avoid a Quaife... unless of course anyone has tried the OBX LSD yet?

 

[BigRand]

I"m so close to trying that obx lsd...kind of depends how my car handles this season.....it could be a summer project, but I'd like to just enjoy my car ya know.

There is also this lsd, which at least comes with a warranty, and someone you can actually talk to on the phone. (at least I think)

www.amcparts.net (click on honda lsd's, and it will show up for the 420a, weird I know)

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I"m so close to trying that obx lsd...kind of depends how my car handles this season.....it could be a summer project, but I'd like to just enjoy my car ya know.

There is also this lsd, which at least comes with a warranty, and someone you can actually talk to on the phone. (at least I think)

www.amcparts.net (click on honda lsd's, and it will show up for the 420a, weird I know)

Rand, you post that link in every thread that mentions the word "LSD."

DR1665 told me one of his friends bought the OBX LSD, but he hasn't had a chance to install it yet.

One of the other NT regulars here also said they were going to buy it. I can't remember who it was though... baxsom maybe?

 

[XMasta19]

baxsom will be installing the obx during his neon tranny swap. I've seriously been contemplating it since receiving my tax returns...but my first concern is still a tranny period. There are actually a couple for sale on 2gnt with quaifes installed...but damn they're expensive hahahaha. Had to put that since cyrez here thinks the phantom grip actually was...it's pocket change y0

 

[cyrez187]

well ill be pushin big numbers this summer! r u telling me i shouldnt even both installing it or what? like come on it should help out alot right?

 

[BigRand]

Rand, you post that link in every thread that mentions the word "LSD."

Can't help it, I want to buy it so bad right now, I just don't want to finally get my car back, and then be taking it apart again right away.

Because when I take the tranny apart again, its going to be for axles and an LSD, and I'm cryo coating everything.

$1200 bones just for the quaife lsd just seems so out there......

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Can't help it, I want to buy it so bad right now, I just don't want to finally get my car back, and then be taking it apart again right away.

Because when I take the tranny apart again, its going to be for axles and an LSD, and I'm cryo coating everything.

$1200 bones just for the quaife lsd just seems so out there......

I know; if I ever bought the Quaife, it would be the single most expensive part on my car. I'm optimistic about the OBX LSD though. I think it could use some grade 10 bolts and a little loc-tite, but other than that, it looks like a solid knock-off of a good product.

I just don't want to be the guinea pig... baxsom, you hear that? As soon as you get yours installed, let us know.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

well ill be pushin big numbers this summer! r u telling me i shouldnt even both installing it or what? like come on it should help out alot right?

I'd say it would help out... but probably not as much as your expecting. Be forewarned, if you put it in, and you start hitting some high numbers, you will risk damage to your tranny.

I'm sorry to tell you, but it's just a low grade alternative to the real deal - a Quaife. It'll work for small horsepower applications, but if you're at the point where you need a Portfueler, I would be cautious.

 

[Talon ESI-T]

If you bought a phantom grip, I am very sorry but you purchased an oversized paper weight. The phantoem grip is not an LSD. If yuo look closely at your spider gears, You will see the surface the Phantom Grip makes contact with is actually a weld. It doesnt make proper contact with the flt part of the gear.

The OBX LSD has grenaded for a couple Neon guys already. Exile racing has seen more than one case, the tolerances that OBX is built to is less than precise and the casted metal used in the carrier is very poor.

If you dont want to spend high dollars on a Helical LSD then purchase a Retrofit LSD from Exile racing. You will have to send them your Diff since the Retrofit is machined to fit YOUR carrier. Price i think is 450.00. I can get anyone pictures since I picked up mine a few days ago. The retrofit uses actual friction material to create the resistance of the LSD.

The phantom Grip is metal on metal, this is not good obviously.

There is so much info on 2gnt, please use it. I spent a lot of time re-organizing it so it was easier to find.

http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=67

Terry

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Finally! Some definitive news on the OBX! Thanks Terry. People have been talking about it for a while, but no one knew for sure how it performed.

 

[Talon ESI-T]

Well, I cant say I have seen it with my own eyes but Steve has seen cases of its failure. I have no reason to doubt him or Mike and I have been friends with both for a long time.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Well, I cant say I have seen it with my own eyes but Steve has seen cases of its failure. I have no reason to doubt him or Mike and I have been friends with both for a long time.

Good enough for me!

I must've searched 2GNT three times over without finding anything definitive on the OBX unit. I did read the article about the retrofit, however.

 

[XMasta19]

ya know what...I might just be the guinea pig for that amc helical lsd, I've already emailed them for a shipping quote to Alaska. I'm sure randy would like that The install can't too hard if I already have to swap trannies and put my south bend clutch in.....can it

 

[BigRand]

ya know what...I might just be the guinea pig for that amc helical lsd, I've already emailed them for a shipping quote to Alaska. I'm sure randy would like that The install can't too hard if I already have to swap trannies and put my south bend clutch in.....can it

, I'd do the damn thing too, but I gotta make sure that I meet my quota of driving the car more then it sitting in the shop

 

[XMasta19]

I went ahead and gave up on that quota for the past year

...even worse, she just sits there dead in my garage, so I have to feel the pain every day


It's all good though...with all this tax money I'm throwing around, I'm starting to feel optimistic

 

[baxsom]

my obx unit will be here tomorrow

i will take and post some actual pictures of it.

so far this is what all i have for the tranny swap

96 neon tranny
OBX LSD
all bearings, gears, bolts, differential saver brackets
rear mainseal (not leaking but why take chances)
stage 2 axles from www.driveshaftshop.com

and if everything goes well i will have enough from my tax return after the install for a new paint job

 

[cyrez187]

well as long as u dont launch hard and beat on it it should do its purpose no?

 

[baxsom]

thats what i was hoping

i go to the track maybe once a month

and dont plan on any launching over 3500

i am just doing the neon swap because since i have the tranny out anyway it was only 200 for the new transmission so why not

the axles i just didnt want to risk breaking one since i am starting to get into the power that it becomes an issue

 

[JessGST]

I used the one that BM Tranny makes (which is basically the same thing) when I used to own a GST. I was putting down about 285 whp and it barely worked. Save your money and get a real LSD. Trust me, it'll be worth it.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

well as long as u dont launch hard and beat on it it should do its purpose no?

What are you talking about, the OBX or PhantomGrip?

They're both operational under other conditions besides launching (i.e. cornering, etc.). I wouldn't risk it. At the very least I would get the retrofit Terry was talking about.

 

[baxsom]

i was pretty leary at first it being an obx and all but after two weeks of searching the web on various car forums I couldnt find a single episode where the OBX LSD has failed anyone. I found a destroyed Kaaz but thats about it. There are plenty of people with messed up trannies because of a phantom grip so it seems. So far the only people with anything negative to say about it are the ones who have yet to install it.

Besides, the BM thing is an insert just like a phantom grip. 285 whp is getting up in the upper limit of what an insert can handle from all the research I have done. The OBX is a true LSD.

 

[Talon ESI-T]

The retrofit has seen over 400whp to date. Your research is lacking.

Terry

 

[XMasta19]

Terry = 2gnt god

 

[baxsom]

The retrofit has seen over 400whp to date. Your research is lacking.

Terry

its been said time and time again that the phantom grip is good up until about 300whp

the BM is an insert just like the phantom grip

what would make it any better

and yes i personally know cars with over 400whp and have a phantom grip

there are always exceptions

trust me I weighed all the odds

i found many posts where the PG and various clones caused diff failures but none about the OBX

your faith is what is lacking