Tornado Booster Gas Saver Mileage Turbonator (merged)

[leet]

Originally posted by markGSX
I'm puzzled how anyone could even ask about this on dsmtuners. Go to streetkiaz.com or something.

People mod Kia's now?

It's a gimmick, save your money.

 

[prodsm]

First off... i said i was not interested in putting this gadget on my car and second the only reason i asked is b/c i was thinking that since the turbine push air into the engine like a spiral , i was wondering if the air being forced in by the "tornado" like a spiral hard into the turbo would produce a much more powerful intake.


....geeze

 

[STECARS]

Originally posted by prodsm
First off... i said i was not interested in putting this gadget on my car and second the only reason i asked is b/c i was thinking that since the turbine push air into the engine like a spiral , i was wondering if the air being forced in by the "tornado" like a spiral hard into the turbo would produce a much more powerful intake.


....geeze

thats the same thing i thought when i saw this on t.v.
if the compressor turbine is to spin air why not give it a head start, well , with the air being spun in the same direction. If they made a complete intake pipe spiraled like that but you know stretched out i bet that would probably help spoolup. .
Maybe i'm just ramblin
or maybe someone should fit an elictric 3" fan into thier intake pipe, that may yield results. Like those fans used for coolong amplifiers
ramble , ramble , ramble

 

[crankbender]

Originally posted by STECARS
thats the same thing i thought when i saw this on t.v.
if the compressor turbine is to spin air why not give it a head start, well , with the air being spun in the same direction. If they made a complete intake pipe spiraled like that but you know stretched out i bet that would probably help spoolup. .
Maybe i'm just ramblin
or maybe someone should fit an elictric 3" fan into thier intake pipe, that may yield results. Like those fans used for coolong amplifiers
ramble , ramble , ramble

No, No, and No.

Yes it will help gas milage.
Anytime you put a restriction in a MAF intake, the engine gets less air and thus requires less fuel.

Hurts power too .

No again.

The idea behind them is the same as swirl polished valves. The idea might work in a special lab but in practice it isn't really gonna help anything. Save the 19.95 and buy some oil

 

[n0va91TSI]

It works for cars with throttlebody injection because they dont mix the air/fuel very well. We DSMs dont have to worry because we have multipoint fuel injection and get a proper mix in each intake runner just fine.

for those of u who dont know throttlebody injector intakes have only one fuel injector that is before the intake manifold. my old car had that and it sucked pretty bad.

 

[Powers_Vang]

hahaha funny sh|t here. I remember my friend telling me he use TWO Tornados in his 91 Integra & was telling me how much horse power he got out of it. I couldn't stop laughing.:laugh: I was like,"DUDE, you sound almost stupid enough to be a Civic owner." He even offered to give me a ride to prove it. hehehe... I think its more of a mental boost. HAHAHA.... Like Stickers/Honda tape.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by prodsm
I was watching tv one day and there was this star shaped piece of metal known as the tornado, they were saying that it can be installed on any car into the intake pipe. IT is suppose to increase HP and gas milage by forcing the air into a sharp stream into the intake system.....

You're late. Tornado questions are to be posted on Saturday. Then Sunday is for BOV Venting, Monday is What Spark Plug Day, Tuesday is Which Oil?, Wednesday is What Is The Ferris Wheel Light For?, Thursday is What Gas? and we wrap up Fridays with DO A SEARCH, JUST ONE TIME. SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.

 

[prodsm]

whoa, its ok!

Maybe i was wrong to ask my qustion the way that I did, I DOOOOO ALOT OF SEARCHING ON THIS SITE AND CONSTANTLY LEARN! My real qustion was the amount of air being pushed into the intake system harder would mean better power from the turbo.

I really dont care for this product it was just a simple qustion!

I was bored one night, my left hand was a little tired and i decided to post!

ass...:laugh:


jk

 

[forcedfedgsx]

i have one of those metal things that spin the air but its called a turbo

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by prodsm
whoa, its ok!

Maybe i was wrong to ask my qustion the way that I did, I DOOOOO ALOT OF SEARCHING ON THIS SITE AND CONSTANTLY LEARN!

Yes, and you only need to search a little more.

My real qustion was the amount of air being pushed into the intake system harder would mean better power from the turbo.

Minimal gains if any. Once a compressor is swallowing air at 100,000 rpm, it really takes quite a push to improve on. But disregarding that, the Tornado doesn't do anything to "push" the air, it claims to induce higher flow by imparting its spinning action. Sadly, it won't impart a spin any further than the first corner in the tract. And, should you feel sufficiently entranced by the product, the little adapters they use to make the tornado simulator out of the soda bottles are available from such places as Edmund Scientific. If you make the simulator, cut off both bottoms of the bottles to more accurately resemble an intake tract (your engine isn't letting air out of the cylinders back up to the air filter). Then, if you try doing the funnel effect, you'll see that the water doesn't flow out as quickly as when you just let it pour.

I really dont care for this product it was just a simple qustion!

Or, so you thought. But that's what infommercials count on.

I was bored one night, my left hand was a little tired and i decided to post!

Filthy two-timer.

ass...:laugh:


jk

It's a filthy job, but someone has to do it.:laugh:

 

[eclipsh]

I was doing research on renewable energy and came across this artice in Economist. Pretty unbelievable what people think up.


Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source

WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the "atmospheric vortex engine".

This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.)

Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power.

 

[SkyLineGtR-R34]

how would you fit something that is 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall into a car?

and what would they use to warm up that steam in first place? also, it would kinda take long for a car to start up if you would have to create steam

 

[xveganxcowboyx]

That's pretty cool. I wonder about the energy used to heat the air at the base or if it's ambient (would limit geography/season)?

I've heard that one lightning strike could power NYC for 6 months. Unfortunately we have no good way to store that much power efficiently.


*edit* I do hope you're kidding skyline...

 

[eclipsh]

Maybe he's not. After all I do have a Cyclone intake. Not much difference you know.

 

[SkyLineGtR-R34]

That's pretty cool. I wonder about the energy used to heat the air at the base or if it's ambient (would limit geography/season)?

I've heard that one lightning strike could power NYC for 6 months. Unfortunately we have no good way to store that much power efficiently.


*edit* I do hope you're kidding skyline...

yes and no

i mean it's sure that it won't be used in a car or any other vehicle, but who knows they might be able to reduce the size a little bit to power the generators in electrical plants
100 years ago no one thought we would have dsmtuners.com today...but hey

 

[jastermerrel]

Its for reharnessing heat produced by industries...think of like an oil refinery with one of these at the tops of its stacks. The heat put off by the refining stacks would heat the air up and create the vortex.

 

[quiksilver38]

aww man you got me all excited i thought this thread was gonna be about oen of those "tornado" gas saver things you buy at pep boys for like $50 WTF

 

[SkyLineGtR-R34]

sometime ago, when i was in an ecology class a teacher read us an article about re-using exhaust gases from car engine to be burned again...
it said that only 10% of gasoline is burned while the engine running, while wasting the rest throught exhaust
some smart guy came up with an idea to reuse those gases somehow
God knows what happened to that guy now maybe he got paid by one of the big oil companies not to introduce his idea

@qucksilver

those never work

 

[eclipsh]

That's pretty cool. I wonder about the energy used to heat the air at the base or if it's ambient (would limit geography/season)?

As the article says, the ambient air temperature at ground level is enough to keep it going.

I only posted part of the article for space and sanity's sake. The tornado would reach several kilometers high so the air would always be much cooler at the top than the bottom, regardless of season. That is what sustains it once started. You'd just need an initial spurt of energy to make the steam to get the whole thing rolling.

Jastermerrel, it isn't for recapturing waste heat from other industries, though you could probably use the waste heat to start it. It is supposed to be an alternative to using fossil fuels. Maybe they could capture waste heat from a biofuel plant.

Oh, and I don't think the theory would work well on small scales Skyline.

Oh 2, I meant the title to be misleading so people would read it

 

[SkyLineGtR-R34]

Oh, and I don't think the theory would work well on small scales Skyline.

I know, but it's interesting to think about ti

 

[G3ne]

this is good idea...need fundings...anyone is up to fund this and earn damn good money ?!?!!?

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[Defiant]

sometime ago, when i was in an ecology class a teacher read us an article about re-using exhaust gases from car engine to be burned again...
it said that only 10% of gasoline is burned while the engine running, while wasting the rest throught exhaust

You may have the details crossed-up, or the author did. The energy we get out of gasoline can be as low as 10%. Generally, a third of the engine's energy, or heat, must be wasted in keeping the engine from melting parts (still awaiting the ceramic motors they promised in the seventies, that'd be more immune to heat damage), A third gets out in exhaust energy (some of which a turbocharger can get back, but you have to de-tune the engine significantly to keep it alive [low compression, fuel for combustion chamber cooling instead of power, etc.] as driving a turbo engine without the turbo will quickly demonstrate), and another significant amount is lost in drivetrain inefficiency and wind resistance. Still, 10% seems too low. Figure a gallon of gas has the energy to move a ton 100 miles, but with real-world losses, a 2000-pound automobile can get around 30 miles per gallon. Motorcycles can double that.

We worked like hell to build Hoover (or, Boulder) Dam, and it runs Vegas and a lot of LA. Meanwhile, the naturally-built one with its vast amounts of untapped energy is the Golden Gate. A few non-directional wave turbines in the bottom of the Gate could run most of Northern California, and maybe even Reno. Of course, it might kill a goddamned snail or something, so the rest of the world has to stand by and live in a way that'll let it live as well.
Thank god the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges are already built. They'd never be allowed today. O, wot eyesores.
I like the tornado idea, and who knows. Who was it, the Mayans who had no wheels? What "wheel" is the obvious invention we've not realized yet, that'll make cultures laugh at us in 2,000 years?

 

[SkyLineGtR-R34]

i see your point Defiant, and you might be right...maybe i forgot what the article exactly said because it was few years ago

 

[laserspeeddemon]

I was doing research on renewable energy and came across this artice in Economist. Pretty unbelievable what people think up.


Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source

WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the "atmospheric vortex engine".

This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.)

Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power.

For every theory there is a counter-theory, here is mine.

This one not work for several reasons.

1) Tornados have such power because they have millions of cubic miles to generate there power. Now you can try to similate this by using compressed air, but that would alter the property of the air, and releasing air into a 200m x 100m cylinder would cause it to expand rapidly.
2) Using compressed air in a cylinder like that would only work if you can keep the air compressed, and with more air in that cylinder they air would be hard to be forced to move.
3) Compressed air is warm, so the air would be hot to begin with. Tornados are formed by vortexed movement of warm and cold air in the clouds which then is forced upright (or down) by a stream of warm air.
4) The amount of power need to generate this kinda of power would exceed the amount of power that it would produce.
5)When a Tornados base stops moving it dies, thats why when they encounter large structures like moutains or EXTREMELY large buildings. Thats also why most tornados in the Central America last longer, you could similate movement, but then you it would require more power, see arguement 4.
6)Nature rules, man does not.

I could go on. But then I would have to go back and crack open the books. Man has since been able to create artifical tornados, but usually on a VERY small scale and nowhere near the level needed to create any kind of signicant power.

Very intresting though.

 

[MrBoxx]

Actually, people have been creating man-made tornadoes for quite some years now, on a small scale in labs. I remember seeing a picture of a fire tornado that one guy made. Very sweet!

Still, it would be cool to take a drive out into the country to watch a tornado in a field standing absolutely still.