Tokico Illuminas with what springs?

[crimsondragon]

Can't decide which springs to go with. I want a small drop, maybe 1" - 1.5". Nothing too crazy as I DD the NJ/NY area. I'm more performance oriented than smooth ride quality. I wanna turn and handle a lot better in trade of harsher bumps. The springs I have in mind are H&R Sport OEs, Tein H. (or S., can't decide) Tech, or the Eibach Pros. I'm more leaning towards H&Rs but I wanna hear comparisons with Tein. I seen the spring rates though I don't understand them too well. Anybody have any other suggestions on my tastes, feel free to chime in.

 

[turboglenn]

well, i just went through my entire suspension , picked my own rates and lengths and after some tweaking and modding of some things i came up with what hsould be great for a 2g GST

In the front I used 375 per inch hyperco springs ( i got 8 inchers but they are too long for my tastes... i would suggest 6 or 7 inchers using some sort of coil over sleeve..cheapos are even okay unless you're money allows more ) then again you did mention Tien so you probably got loot

In the rear i again chose 8'' hypercos, but in 250 pounds per inch..that's too stiff for a DD IMO.. I would go some where in the 195 range in the rear, but augment it with a sway bar and rer tower brace for best results. Again i would get a 6 or 7 inch spring and use a coil over sleeve to set final ride height. With teh 8 inchers on tokico shocks i couldn't even run my sleeves until extensive mods to teh shock parts (top cap, bump stops etc..)

H&R's are really nice if you want to go simple route like that. I've got a friends car with H&R's and the ride is really nice and the handling is decent for a 2g as well.

using coil over sleeves allows you to tune corner weights and then to slant teh car forward for traction at the track. I noticed a HUGE difference in how much RPM it took to launch just in teh difference on street tires with the only change being that the rear was raised about 2 inches at most over the front.. If i didn't launch at at least 5k RPM the car bogged, and even bogged on teh 1-2 chift. When i "leveled" the car back out once again huge amounts of tiure spin came back and they light up on the 1-2 shift just as easy as when the suspension was stock.

I know my advice wasn't exactly on the lines of the parts you were looking/thinking about, but thought i would interject with my experiments, results and satisfaction of some of my options by having tunable corbner weights and ride heights.

Good luck and DON't get too stiff a rear sring for a DD.. i would say 225lb/in max unless you like hearing your speaker box bounce up and down over every bump

 

[PieEyedPiper]

If you're looking for a spring, and not some type of coilover/adjustable setup for those Illuminas..

Just don't go with Pro-Kits without first considering alternatives and the goals you have for the car. The have weak, but not as bad as Sportlines, spring rates that should be doubled for the amount of drop the springs give you. I really despise them on my car. But putting the shocks on full stiff makes a huge difference.

I'd give H&R OE's a shot. Otherwise look towards ground controls or something similar to what Glenn has mentioned.
I would also agree that rates much higher than a true 375lbs in the front and 225lbs in the back will quickly overwhelm your Illuminas.

 

[Artago]

For your consideration:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/han...-h-r-sport-springs-tokico-hp-blue-shocks.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/269017-tokico-hps-tokico-springs-setup-pics.html

Personally I'm thinking of getting the H&R OE's.

Tom

 

[Rx3]

As someone who lived and drove in the Tri-State (NY/NJ/CT) area, make sure that the springs you pick are PROGRESSIVE springs.

Honestly there isn't any reason to stray too far from proven setups.


I would also consider Eibachs. Eibach Sports are very good, providing a nice aggressive look, improved handling, and quality ride characteristics. And the car will not be too low that it can't handle the bumps and some of the driveway entrances in that area.

 

[Artago]

^^ I believe H&R's are progressive. Not sure about Tokico springs.

 

[crimsondragon]

Aren't most sport springs progressive and race springs 2 step? The race springs lower the car considerably, which is not what I want for a street car. Also after reading the reviews, I might add H&R sports as well. I considered Tein springs because honestly I'm broke and on ebay the Teins are way cheaper than the H&R's. I'm still indecisive. I heard the Eibach Sports ride like ass.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

As someone who lived and drove in the Tri-State (NY/NJ/CT) area, make sure that the springs you pick are PROGRESSIVE springs.

Honestly there isn't any reason to stray too far from proven setups.


I would also consider Eibachs. Eibach Sports are very good, providing a nice aggressive look, improved handling, and quality ride characteristics. And the car will not be too low that it can't handle the bumps and some of the driveway entrances in that area.

Just so I'm clear, you're recommending Eibach Sportlines? The ones with the 2" drop with rates lower than those of stock springs? For increased handling and and ride quality?
Perhaps I'm not getting the full picture.

I heard the Eibach Sportlines ride like ass.

Don't be fooled, they do.

Also, I want to be more clear, myself. I don't hate Eibach or anything, I actually enjoy my ProKits for daily driving. The problem is that they are too low, even at only 1.5" of lowering, for the given spring rates. This gives the car a lot of wallow and lessens the effectiveness of the already limited suspension travel we have when lowering our vehicles. Thus, any racing duty or even spirited driving, can quickly become lacking - or even dangerous.
They ARE fine DD springs, however.

 

[Artago]

Aren't most sport springs progressive and race springs 2 step? The race springs lower the car considerably, which is not what I want for a street car. Also after reading the reviews, I might add H&R sports as well. I considered Tein springs because honestly I'm broke and on ebay the Teins are way cheaper than the H&R's. I'm still indecisive. I heard the Eibach Sports ride like ass.

Have you considered the H&R OE Sports?

eBay Motors: H&R OE SPORT SPRINGS 95-99 MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE 2WD (item 350052941389 end time Feb-18-09 21:44:12 PST)

Tom

 

[crimsondragon]

Have you considered the H&R OE Sports?

eBay Motors: H&R OE SPORT SPRINGS 95-99 MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE 2WD (item 350052941389 end time Feb-18-09 21:44:12 PST)

Tom

Yes, in my first post I stated I was considering the H&R OE Sports the most. They give a nice 1" drop from what I read. That is good enough for me to lessen the wheel gap. Plus it seems their spring rates are pretty good for DD. I'm still open to other springs though.

 

[Artago]

Yes, in my first post I stated I was considering the H&R OE Sports the most. They give a nice 1" drop from what I read. That is good enough for me to lessen the wheel gap. Plus it seems their spring rates are pretty good for DD. I'm still open to other springs though.

What about the Tokico shock/spring combo? I was planning on getting that and giving it a try. If I don't like them then I will swap the tokico springs for H&R OE's. Just a thought.

Tom

 

[crimsondragon]

I'm not sure if I like the Tokico springs. I think I read some reviews that said they sucked.

 

[mygsx2120]

I'm not sure if I like the Tokico springs. I think I read some reviews that said they sucked.

They will give your car more of a drop than you are looking for. My car with full Tokico setup

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[Rx3]

Just so I'm clear, you're recommending Eibach Sportlines? The ones with the 2" drop with rates lower than those of stock springs? For increased handling and and ride quality?
Perhaps I'm not getting the full picture.

No I did not recommend Sportlines. Eibach Sport Pro-Kits (1.2 inch drop) would be the ideal spring in this situation. Dropping the car 2 inches would be silly, especially in the Tri-State. I'm not sure why you are even bringing up Sportlines, since they were not even a part of the discussion (and the original poster obviously left them off of his list as they do not fit his ride height criteria).

The Eibach Sport Pro Kits ride very well, the spring rates are fine for daily driving. I had them on my car for 7 years before switching to my current coilover setup.

 

[Artago]

They will give your car more of a drop than you are looking for. My car with full Tokico setup

Do you have any close up shots of the wheel gap front and back?

Thanks,

Tom

 

[PieEyedPiper]

No I did not recommend Sportlines. Eibach Sport Pro-Kits (1.2 inch drop) would be the ideal spring in this situation. Dropping the car 2 inches would be silly, especially in the Tri-State. I'm not sure why you are even bringing up Sportlines, since they were not even a part of the discussion (and the original poster obviously left them off of his list as they do not fit his ride height criteria).

The Eibach Sport Pro Kits ride very well, the spring rates are fine for daily driving. I had them on my car for 7 years before switching to my current coilover setup.

It appeared to me that you had brought them up and that's why I wanted you to clarify what you meant in your post. I could be mistaken, but according to Eibach there's no such thing as "Eibach Sports" or "Eibach Sport Pro-Kits".

As seen here: Eibach Springs - Performance Suspension, Lowering Springs, Shocks, Sway Bars, Coil-Overs and Wheel Spacers!
They are simply called Eibach Pro-kits. Not in the title, nor in the description is the word "sport" to be found.

However, the word "sport" does seemingly pertain to Eibach Sportlines. As seen here: Eibach Springs - Performance Suspension, Lowering Springs, Shocks, Sway Bars, Coil-Overs and Wheel Spacers!
The word is in the title of the springs themselves and the word is included in the "Eibach Sport-System", which contains the Eibach Sportlines springs as part of the package.

It is important to use the correct terminology to avoid misunderstandings like this one. I would argue that if someone suggested "Eibach Sports" to another member they would most likely think of the Eibach SportLINES, since that is the only product that has any connection to the word "sport".

As seen here:

I heard the Eibach Sports ride like ass.

I trust the matter is resolved, especially since we can all agree that Sportlines wouldn't be appropriate for this application and they "ride like ass", in the words of Crimson.
To reinforce my position, Prokits will be fine for a DD, just not for really aggressive driving. If I had a "do over" I'd get H&R OE's.

 

[daren_p]

Good luck and DON't get too stiff a rear sring for a DD.. i would say 225lb/in max unless you like hearing your speaker box bounce up and down over every bump

I guess it should also be said, if your picking custom spring rates, ontop of the other considerations, you also need to consider what shock you'll be running. On the Tokico, Glens probably got a descent ball park for a DD. On the other hand, I'm going 350R & 500F with my Koni's. I have heard from numerous people this is a great choice for a daily driven car with the Koni's (but I guess time will tell )

Most of the "vehicle specific" springs out there that offer us around a 1" drop, usually aren't very aggressive on their spring rates, so you shouldn't have to worry about a "harsh" ride.

 

[Artago]

Most of the "vehicle specific" springs out there that offer us around a 1" drop, usually aren't very aggressive on their spring rates, so you shouldn't have to worry about a "harsh" ride.

Besides H&R OE's, what other spring out there offer a 1" drop with spring rates only slightly stiffer than stock. I ask because I'm in the market for a suspension setup but I only want to drop a little and I only want a slightly stiffer ride. This is for my DD. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Besides H&R OE's, what other spring out there offer a 1" drop with spring rates only slightly stiffer than stock. I ask because I'm in the market for a suspension setup but I only want to drop a little and I only want a slightly stiffer ride. This is for my DD. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom

I've seen some interest on Tein H.Tech springs lately, they drop ~1.2". However, the description on extreme psi states: " * Spring Rate: 207 lbs/in Front - 129 lbs/in Rear " Those rates sound unreasonably low to me. I'd call up Tein for up to date information if you were going to consider them.

How many springs do we have that fit this category anyways?

Eibach Prokits
Tein H.Techs
H&R OE Sports

And..?

 

[crimsondragon]

Well I'm thinking of adding H&R Sports (not OE) to it. but 1.7 inch drop is really stretching what I want. I definitely don't want to hear my tires making contact everytime I go over a bump. I was thinking Tein S. Techs as well. I read they barely drop your ride at all but don't know if they can be counterfeits or not. Here are the specs for the springs:

S. Tech:
* Spring Rate: 230 lbs/in Front - 146 lbs/in Rear
* 1.3 Inch Drop (FR) & 1.3 Inch Drop (RR)

H. Tech:
* Spring Rate: 207 lbs/in Front - 129 lbs/in Rear
* 0.9 Inch Drop (FR) & 0.9 Inch Drop (RR)

H&R OE Springs - 1.0 Inch Drop (FR) & - 1.0 (RR), no spring rates

H&R Sport Springs, - 1.7 Inch Drop (FR) & 1.4 (RR), no spring rates

Tokico springs drop 1.5 inch as well I believe. No spring rates either.

Reviews from other places:
Installed H&R Sport Springs/Tokico Illumina setup today - DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com

I'm still more performance oriented than luxury minded. I am willing to trade drop height to the very edge if it'll improve handling but if it rubs the tires when going over small potholes or regular bumps then I will not go for it

 

[Artago]

Well I'm thinking of adding H&R Sports (not OE) to it. but 1.7 inch drop is really stretching what I want. I definitely don't want to hear my tires making contact everytime I go over a bump. I was thinking Tein S. Techs as well. I read they barely drop your ride at all but don't know if they can be counterfeits or not. Here are the specs for the springs:

S. Tech:
* Spring Rate: 230 lbs/in Front - 146 lbs/in Rear
* 1.3 Inch Drop (FR) & 1.3 Inch Drop (RR)

H. Tech:
* Spring Rate: 207 lbs/in Front - 129 lbs/in Rear
* 0.9 Inch Drop (FR) & 0.9 Inch Drop (RR)

Spring rates taken from this article:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-suspension-brakes/245533-2g-awd-coil-spring-rates-lowering-amounts.html

95-96 OEM Stock 2G AWD
Front: 265 #
Rear: 162 # (+/- 8)

97-99 OEM Stock 2G AWD
Front: 246 #
Rear: 151 #

That would make both Tein springs softer than stock.

H&R OE Springs - 1.0 Inch Drop (FR) & - 1.0 (RR), no spring rates

H&R Sport Springs, - 1.7 Inch Drop (FR) & 1.4 (RR), no spring rates

Tokico springs drop 1.5 inch as well I believe. No spring rates either.

Tokico Spring Rates:

Front = 285lbs
Rear = 160lbs

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/269175-tokico-illumina-combo-spring-rates.html

Reviews from other places:
Installed H&R Sport Springs/Tokico Illumina setup today - DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com

I'm still more performance oriented than luxury minded. I am willing to trade drop height to the very edge if it'll improve handling but if it rubs the tires when going over small potholes or regular bumps then I will not go for it

 

[crimsondragon]

Are all springs rates and drops the same among AWD and FWD?

 

[Artago]

I don't know...

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Are all springs rates and drops the same among AWD and FWD?

No, some of the springs rates and drop will be slightly different between AWD and FWD. Although, some of the springs are only offered in FWD trim. They can still be used on AWD vehicles but expect a little bit more drop due to the extra weight.
H&R OE's are one example of being only available for FWD's yet retain their ~1" drop on AWD vehicles.

 

[mitsumikey]

I want to dig this thread back up. I just found out today the H&R OEs are FWD specific. I was leaning twards them but now I dont know. Would the wieght of the drivetrain possibly cause the rear to sag overtime? Though you just said that its alright, I d be sceptical in doing it anyways. I would not like the rear ending up looking slightly lower at all. Who has experiance with the Tanabe springs?!?! I thought of those, the less agressive drop ones. I believe they are GF series not the DF. When I searched on here there is not much info.
Edit, I definately want something stiff to avoid bottoming out my exhuast. Itd be nice to not compromise the ride. Im likely going with Illuminas unless I can afford koni yellows. Want under a 1.5inch drop.