To build or not to build?

[atruepretense]

Well ladies and gentleman, I had the wonderful pleasure of having my oil pump fail, and seize my engine 127 miles after the rebuild. So, now that I am fully fed up with dealing with my car, I am having it built by someone who can warrant their work. The person I am taking it to is VERY well known in this surrounding area, as well as around the U.S.

I am trying to decide a budget for my build. This includes a turbo, injectors, pump, link and all the other stuff, so It's hard to decide. I don't want to spend more than $2,000 - $4,000 right now. I am trying to decide if I should go with forged internals, or keep the bottom end stock, and just rebuild. I am hoping to end up with 350-400hp.

This is a 2G with a 7 Bolt block. I can have a 6 bolt put in if I want. I don't know if I should put in forged pistons and rods, or like I said, keep it stock.

What do you all think?

(Yes guys, I know about the basic bolt-ons, and what you should do first, it will all be done).

 

[ChiTownHussla]

If you plan on only pushing 400 horsies go with stock six bolt. It can hold up easily I ff rebuilt properly. Go oem with oil pump and all timing components.

 

[phunny]

If you plan on only pushing 400 horsies go with stock six bolt. It can hold up easily I ff rebuilt properly. Go oem with oil pump and all timing components.

I agree with the OEM pump and timing components. I like to go a step above just to be on the safe side. Plus 400awhp is a lot for a block built to handle 170hp.

 

[atruepretense]

Thanks for the input so far guys.

Well, if I were to go with a stock block, I'd only push 350 or so. Probably less. But, I've heard the same thing about 6 bolt blocks, they can handle 400hp all day without issues on a stock block (usually, if maintained correctly).

I just honestly don't want to foot $1,000 on pistons and rods, and be left with less money to invest into cams and such. Not trying to be cheap or anything, but there are other things that I need of course But if I were running stock internals, I think I'd be fine with 300ish HP. I don't care much for HP numbers, but it's the best comparison right now. Haha. I think I'd rather have a stock bottom end 6 bolt for now along with a built head, and a nice PTE6262.

So far I'm thinking:
- Cometic Metal HG
- ARP Head, Main studs, Rod bolts
- PTE6262
- FP Manifold
- 880cc injectors
- Wally 255
- 272 Cams, Dual Valvesprings, valves, cam gearsetc...
- HKS Kevlar belt
- DSMLink
- Full rebuild with new OEM components on bottom end
- ACT2600 with Fidanza flywheel.

If I decide to go forged, I think I would go with Wiseco pistons on Eagle rods, or something along those lines.

Anything I'm missing? Can I count on the stock 6 bolt bottom end with reasonable power?

 

[phunny]

You motor but even the way you talk is scarey. "May hold, should hold, if maintained etc." Why risk it for 1k. I'd hold off on cams, turbos and such for a built bottom end, any day.

 

[atruepretense]

You motor but even the way you talk is scarey. "May hold, should hold, if maintained etc." Why risk it for 1k. I'd hold off on cams, turbos and such for a built bottom end, anyway.

Oh, trust me. That's not how I think. Lol. After having two damn engines fail because of stupid shit that just popped up one day, I'm ready to do whatever. I just want to get some feedback.

I honestly am pretty blind on the who 6 bolt thing. I mean I hear so many people saying ", you could push 400 ALL DAY!" I think, hell, if this many people say it, must be right, I mean the 2JZ can hold crazy power stock, and I know our 4G63s are not weak puppies. But, hey, I'll go forged if I have to

I just want to know what my options are

I mean honestly, I'll wait to buy a turbo, and just run a 14B until I get the next paycheck that I'm willing to blow on the DSM. That's no issue. But the thing is I'm going to be paying this guy to put together an engine for me, and if he has it apart, why not do the work on the head then you know?

 

[phunny]

Oh, trust me. That's not how I think. Lol. After having two damn engines fail because of stupid shit that just popped up one day, I'm ready to do whatever. I just want to get some feedback.

I honestly am pretty blind on the who 6 bolt thing. I mean I hear so many people saying ", you could push 400 ALL DAY!" I think, hell, if this many people say it, must be right, I mean the 2JZ can hold crazy power stock, and I know our 4G63s are not weak puppies. But, hey, I'll go forged if I have to

I just want to know what my options are

I mean honestly, I'll wait to buy a turbo, and just run a 14B until I get the next paycheck that I'm willing to blow on the DSM. That's no issue. But the thing is I'm going to be paying this guy to put together an engine for me, and if he has it apart, why not do the work then you know?

Lol I hear ya man, the only thing worse than spending money is spending it multiple times for nothing.

Just watch out for all the guys telling you that the 6 bolt can handle 400 all day . Look at their setups and see how many of them have 400hp or even 300. They see some guy make a lot of hp on a stock bottom end and then go around saying everyone can do it...

 

[ChiTownHussla]

Yes man, all day . If you really only want to hit four hundred, rebuildwith all stock stuff..also if I were you, I would go e-85 if you have it in your area. You can get way more power out of e-85. More timing and more boost without knock. Ecmlink is a must for this though

Lol I hear ya man, the only thing worse than spending money is spending it multiple times for nothing.

Just watch out for all the guys telling you that the 6 bolt can handle 400 all day . Look at their setups and see how many of them have 400hp or even 300. They see some guy make a lot of hp on a stock bottom end and then go around saying everyone can do it...

If you wwere refering to me, I speak with experience behind me. A fellow tuner here on tuners, has a shop that specialties on dsm cars. All cars he works oon have around 3-400 hp tuned. All on stock bottom end. Don't assume were all fanboys who don't know just because we can't afford upgrades atm.....have some respect for fellow Dsm guys trying to help out yo

 

[phunny]

Yes man, all day . If you really only want to hit four hundred, rebuildwith all stock stuff..also if I were you, I would go e-85 if you have it in your area. You can get way more power out of e-85. More timing and more boost without knock. Ecmlink is a must for this though



If you wwere refering to me, I speak with experience behind me. A fellow tuner here on tuners, has a shop that specialties on dsm cars. All cars he works oon have around 3-400 hp tuned. All on stock bottom end. Don't assume were all fanboys who don't know just because we can't afford upgrades atm.....have some respect for fellow Dsm guys trying to help out yo

Thanks for proving my point CHI .

Stock car but he'll tell you that you can push 400 all day

 

[atruepretense]

Haha, that's what I thought. I mean I know DSMs are known to go fast, but I doubted that the engine could take a GT42R at 35psi to the face with no issues.

and...YES! I have E85 Nearby! WOOT!

But, yeah guys. I'm just probably going to foot the bill and go for it. Last thing I want to do is melt a piston. Like I said before, first engine threw a rod, the second one, the oil pump seized after 127 miles, and took out the engine, and worst part? Never saw bad oil pressure!

Hate to say it, but I was believing the hype. ####!

Now that I think of it, I'm also quite blind on the whole 6 bolt vs. 7 bolt. Everyone tries to tell me that stock for stock, the 6 bolt can hold more power. Also, the whole crankwalk thing. I've never seen a block crankwalk. Lol.

 

[phunny]

Haha, that's what I thought. I mean I know DSMs are known to go fast, but I doubted that the engine could take a GT42R at 35psi to the face with no issues.

and...YES! I have E85 Nearby! WOOT!

But, yeah guys. I'm just probably going to foot the bill and go for it. Last thing I want to do is melt a piston. Like I said before, first engine threw a rod, the second one, the oil pump seized after 127 miles, and took out the engine, and worst part? Never saw bad oil pressure!

Hate to say it, but I was believing the hype. ####!

Now that I think of it, I'm also quite blind on the whole 6 bolt vs. 7 bolt. Everyone tries to tell me that stock for stock, the 6 bolt can hold more power. Also, the whole crankwalk thing. I've never seen a block crankwalk. Lol.

, yeah CHI was dead on about the E85, it's night and day. The whole 6 bolt vs 7 bolt really doesn't apply when you are building an engine anyway. As far as crankwalk, it was EXTREMELY rare and by now if it was going to happen to you, it already would have.

 

[ChiTownHussla]

Thanks for proving my point CHI .

Stock car but he'll tell you that you can push 400 all day

Man. Your lame as hell. Let a wiseman see this to shut you uup.....

 

[phunny]

Man. Your lame as hell. Let a wiseman see this to shut you uup.....

I was being nice... Anyone on here that is making some real HP will tell you that it's not easy nor cut and dry. This is your mod list... And you posted right after I said that people that don't even have 300 hp will tell you it's fine... You proved my point and I thanked you man...

Bolt-on Modifications:
None except a few free mods I received with the car. Cutoff intake, remove plastic behind SMIC. ETC

 

[atruepretense]

, yeah CHI was dead on about the E85, it's night and day. The whole 6 bolt vs 7 bolt really doesn't apply when you are building an engine anyway. As far as crankwalk, it was EXTREMELY rare and by now if it was going to happen to you, it already would have.

It definitely is, I've seen the wonders it could do. I was going to do a build before, but lost my job, so I couldn't. But E85 will DEFINITELY be my choice of fuel.

As for crankwalk, I figured. Every dumbass Honda owner wants to be like "Ooo, my Honda doesn't crankwalk". V8 guys say the same. Good ol' excuses.

Man. Your lame as hell. Let a wiseman see this to shut you uup.....

Once again, here's the thing. Reliably. This is my main car. If I decide to push 400hp out of it, I'm sure it's not as reliable as a stock engine. I'm sure there are the guys that run 400hp all day. But I'm looking for a nice safety net here. I mean this is my bread and butter winner here. It ####s up, I'm screwed.

So honestly, I don't think I'd ever want to push 400HP on a stock block. 6 bolt or 7 bolt. Hey, whoever can do it, more power to them. But I've blown over 1,200 in parts, and hours of my time, and my car is currently in a garage. Not letting it happen again.