timing marks

[slim2005]

i know this has been hit and hit again but i can't figure out the timing marks on my 2g 1995 eagle talon tsi

 

[slim2005]

thanks all. will post results. Any ideas on dow to get that pulley off it it on rather well. please assist me as i am getting so much closer to driving my dsm for the first time.

 

[tqmx1]

Must be brain surgery.

Well we all can't be perfect.

 

[slim2005]

i messed with the pulley on the crankshaft that i need to get off to put that back plate off. i can't seem to figure out how to remove it safely. please help

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Is your car manual? Put it in 4th and use a 1/2" bar with socket and it should pop off. Air tools are awesome too.

 

[linksys42]

First - do NOT turn the Crank with no TIMING Belt attached, you can bend Valves.

Moving EITHER with no Timing Belt attached you need to be VERY careful or you WILL bend Valves - PERIOD.

Actually, if you align all the timing marks before you take the belt off, then pull the belt the cams will rotate/kick back so all the valves are recessed in the seats so that the pistons wont contact. You can verify this by taking the valve cover off and looking at the valve spring heights/rockers. Or next time when you take the head off take a look at the clearence on the bottem of the head.

 

[BUCK]

Actually, if you align all the timing marks before you take the belt off, then pull the belt the cams will rotate/kick back so all the valves are recessed in the seats so that the pistons wont contact. You can verify this by taking the valve cover off and looking at the valve spring heights/rockers. Or next time when you take the head off take a look at the clearence on the bottem of the head.

No offense but I prefer to give more prudent advice when someone is Timing Cam & Crank with NO Timing Belt attached during an INSTALL - I also disagree that any such Cam Position exists on an Interference oriented, 4 Cylinder, 4 Stroke Motor when #1 CAM is at #1 TDC, & THAT"s the hazard I'm cautioning him about in regards to #2 & #3 during an INSTALL - Thanx for letting us all know you can just cut the Timing Belt & take a Head OFF.

 

[linksys42]

No offense but I prefer to give more prudent advice when someone is Timing Cam & Crank with NO Timing Belt attached during an INSTALL - I also disagree that any such Cam Position exists on an Interference oriented, 4 Cylinder, 4 Stroke Motor when #1 CAM is at #1 TDC, & THAT"s the hazard I'm cautioning him about in regards to #2 & #3 during an INSTALL - Thanx for letting us all know you can just cut the Timing Belt & take a Head OFF.

I wasn't trying to let you know that you can just cut the timing belt and take the head off what I was saying with the comment (Or next time when you take the head off take a look at the clearance on the bottom of the head.) is that the next time when the head is off look at the valves when the cams are in a relaxed position all the valves are recessed in the seats and will clear the pistons if the crank is turned independently. All you have to do to verify this while the head is still on is take the valve cover off and look at the retainer/spring heights, rockers, and location of the cam lobes on the rocker.

Let me clarify, if the intake and exhaust cam are timed (dowel pins at 12 and timing marks are in line) then yes the piston will hit the valves when the crank is turned separately. But if they are relaxed with out the timing belt on and rotated so that none of the lobes on the camshaft are holding the valves open then the pistons wont contact the valves. You can verify this when the head is removed from the engine. thats all im saying.

 

[thesmartestyet]

i am curently working on replacing my head and head gasket with arps studs on my 95 talon but alot of this info is very intresting to me but i have had freinds who have bent valves because the time was off on there car

 

[slim2005]

it is a manual but the motor and tranny are pulled out right now.

 

[BUCK]

I wasn't trying to let you know that you can just cut the timing belt and take the head off what I was saying with the comment (Or next time when you take the head off take a look at the clearance on the bottom of the head.) is that the next time when the head is off look at the valves when the cams are in a relaxed position all the valves are recessed in the seats and will clear the pistons if the crank is turned independently. All you have to do to verify this while the head is still on is take the valve cover off and look at the retainer/spring heights, rockers, and location of the cam lobes on the rocker.

I never said an "overlap" position didn't exist but the existence of this Valve position you point out is of LITTLE USE to someone Timing a Crank & Cam with no Timing Belt getting ready to INSTALL a Timing Belt at #1TDC Crank AND #1TDC Cams.

Let me clarify, if the intake and exhaust cam are timed (dowel pins at 12 and timing marks are in line) then yes the piston will hit the valves when the crank is turned separately.

Whis is EXACTLY why I CLARIFIED your Post a few hours ago.

 

[slim2005]

i need to know whats the best way to get the outside pulley off so i can put the back plate on.. can anyone help me with that

 

[BUCK]

i need to know whats the best way to get the outside pulley off so i can put the back plate on.. can anyone help me with that

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...pulley-removal-absence-harmonic-balancer.html

 

[linksys42]

I’m pretty sure he is talking about getting the crankshaft timing belt gear off. So he can put the new trigger plate he just bought on. Not the harmonic balancer.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

An air impact wrench does wonders. If not, get the oil pan off and shove a big rag (preferably a towel) between the block and the crank, this way it won't spin and you can remove the nut manually.

 

[slim2005]

ok all i got all the timing done and i just have to wait on the timing belt tensioner right now. i have a concern though... i put a 1/2 inch drive socket wrench into the bolt on the crankshaft pulley and i can't turn the crank now. It has been sitting for some time so i wonder if i just need to lube the cylinders some how. if i am to try to turn counter clock wise at all i just loosen that bolt. but going clockwise it doesn't want to move. The Cams are aligned so they are not in the way and the balance shaft and all of that turned fine. I wonder if it's due to the transmission being connected and i wonder if by chance it's in gear. Any help would be incredible.

 

[slim2005]

anyone i am gonna try some penetrating oil to see if that will help but could it be the trans is in gear?

 

[tqmx1]

anyone i am gonna try some penetrating oil to see if that will help but could it be the trans is in gear?

If it's a manual box and the wheels are on the ground NO the crank will not turn. Pop it out of gear and try again.

 

[slim2005]

If it's a manual box and the wheels are on the ground NO the crank will not turn. Pop it out of gear and try again.

The motor and transmisson are out of the car on my lift i set it down when i'm not working on it ### it's easier to work on out of the car.

 

[linksys42]

The motor and transmisson are out of the car on my lift i set it down when i'm not working on it ### it's easier to work on out of the car.

Verify that the trans is not in a gear. And if all the timing marks are spot on the engine should rotate with no problems. Be careful if you have resistance when turning the crankshaft. If it is out of time the pistons could be contacting valves and that could be the resistance you are feeling. What process did you use to get the crankshaft timing belt gear off?

 

[slim2005]

Verify that the trans is not in a gear. And if all the timing marks are spot on the engine should rotate with no problems. Be careful if you have resistance when turning the crankshaft. If it is out of time the pistons could be contacting valves and that could be the resistance you are feeling. What process did you use to get the crankshaft timing belt gear off?

i was able to just take it off i don't think the guy i got the car from had it tightened down after he put the block and all back together

 

[jake247]

You could also pop the rockers off. Doing so will let the valves up, so you definitely won't bend them. It's a bit of a pain in the butt. Use a flat headed screw drive as a pry bar, laying it against the spark plug holes on the head. I like to use a rag to protect them. Getting them back on requires pushing down on the valve skirt thing. You really need two people. It's a pain, but it's insurance.

 

[slim2005]

got everything to turn it's looking good so far thanks