Time To Upgrade! GT35R BB vs. FP3065

[daren_p]

ok sounds good but the guy i am buying from i just spoke with him and he said that he spooled 15psi by 2900-3000 rpm all day long so that doesnt sound to bad to me.... hes including everything even the spacer plate and adapter plate for the turbo the only thing it needs is 2 of the extended manifold stubs because 2 of them broke of removal.....

Hmmm, Im going to have to call BS on that. Those are more like evoIII spool times, a standard 20g won't spool that fast let alone one with a monster 10 cm exhaust housing. Maybe he had it bolted to an 8 cylinder

For switching the exhaust housing, like has been said you don't have to rebalance the turbo as you woun't be taking any of the "internals" apart. Your basically just swapping a cover. The thing to make sure, which turbine wheel do the HRC super 20g's use? If its the standard tdo5 then yes its just a bolt on swap, if they use the larger 06 or 06H wheel, then you can't just go bolting your 7cm housing as it wont fit.

I second the not to buy a used turbo comment. You have no real idea of how many miles are on it & how it was taken care of. If it craps out & you need a rebuild you can end up spending more then the cost of a new one.

 

[98eclipseRS]

!. 750's will work fine on a gt35r and NO you don't need a full garret to make real power. Hell there is a thread about the same setup(bolt on gt35r) that sbr tested and made like 600awhp with 750's I might add. People need to quit with this huge injector craze. How can you sit here and say you don't need some oversized urbo and yada yada yada and say you need 850's to run a gt35r when already 3 people have come on and told you they run it with 750's?????

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Sure you could run 750's on your gt35r with 118+ octane to take advantage of the turbos efficiency range etc. What's the point though, once you put pump gas in you are going to have to pull boost and timming. So now your 475whp tune is now a 350whp tune. A good friend of mine is running a 35r on his 2.4L with 880's WITH methonal injection and he says he won't run anymore boost on it. Liek I said before sure you could bump base preasure and run your injectors at 110% duty cycle but your only going to be hurting yourself in the long run that way.

3. DId I hear someone say a 50 is not a good dd turbo???? I run a gt14 on dd and before that had a 50 trim trust me you my friend are in for a shock when you upgrade if you thought your 50 trim was unbareable. I have friends that have high 10 sec cars(60-1 cars mostly) for dd and you couldn't tell one appart from a 14 sec red eclipse cough cough just by seeing them on the road.

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I didn't say it was a bad DD choice but if you read every single one of the OP posts he is obviously very concerned with spool characteristics. If spool is an issue telling him to get a gt40r or gt42 isn't exactly the smartest choice now is it. For him IMO I think he would not enjoy Daily Driving his car if he had a gt35r on a 2L.

 

[~laser_craver~]

What are the spooling characteristics of the fp green? How many rpms by 20psi? How many rpms by 25psi? At this point i will take and recomendations on what turbo to upgrade to seems like the crowd here has narrowed it down to a hybrid 50trim of some sort with alright spool. Im looking for something that will flow a ton more then the 16g i have but spool all of that before 4k like preferably 3500ish. Is this possible?

 

[daren_p]

Spool time is slightly different for every car, it depends on what all suporting mods you are running. With an FP green you would probably be around the 4000 range, this is what I was told by FP. A standard 50 trim or 20g will be abit quicker and with a dual BB 50 trim you would probably be pretty close the 3500 number.

 

[Slippi84]

NO. Getting a turbo to spool right around the same place as a 16g and flow A LOT more isn't realtist. I think a 50 trim can hit 20psi by 4k yes with the right supporting mods and make the power that your lookin to make to. Your on the right path with the green which is what I would suggest as a minimun for you cause honestly like many of us I can tell your not a pro tuner and to be honest you will probably fall short of your goals with anything less than a 5o trim and you might even fall short with that. Many of us reach for an ideal hp level but forget to factor in real world things.


By the way you want to say it like will a turbo hit 20 psi by a certain rpm not how many rpms at 20psi

 

[Staytuned]

Im looking for something that will flow a ton more then the 16g i have but spool all of that before 4k like preferably 3500ish. Is this possible?

Sounds like you are looking for the "perfect turbo". There are always going ot be comprimises when looking for more HP through larger turbo's. But the turbo is just one piece of the whole pie. When picking a larger turbo you are always going to increase spool time, sure there are things you can do to lower it a little but at what cost? smaller A/R housings = increased back pressure? = less HP. Find yourself a good quality "50 trim" with a .63 A/R exhaust housing and solid center housing or try a BB unit from the sponsors on this site.

To me lag is over rated to a point. If your talking a few hundred rpm's difference.

 

[~laser_craver~]

Owell i guess im going to have to live with it if i want the numbers im looking at.

Im looking at the fp green now because from what ive read and heard from you people it is the best choice in my situation. I am planning on getting it with the interal wastegate, ported 7cm housing, and wet bearings. I also plan on going and getting an actual 3'' exhaust intcluding o2 housing with dump tube. Aswell as a dsmlink and injectors, afpr , fuel pump.

Does anyone have any true critisism about the internal wg on the fpgreen? Also whats its lowest setting? I tend to turn the boost down on dd for gas milage reasons...

 

[dalatinromeo]

Does anyone have any true critisism about the internal wg on the fpgreen?

Yes, I do. High boost and internal gates just don't mix good.

 

[~laser_craver~]

25psi occasionally on a internal wg is to much?

 

[ericbev]

Even the best internal gates blow open in the 25psi range. You would be able to get a good pump gas tune out of it, but it wouldnt be holding higher boost if you decided to head the the track and crank it up.

 

[v2ner]

I believe FP has a special internal gate for that boost. When I ran mine, 27psi came on at around 3600 RPMS. For you people who pay attention to details, this was done in 2nd gear. That was on a 2.0L 6-bolt in a 2G with an external wastegate. Ran 11.8 with a mild tune. I think this is the best DD turbo to this day....but you'll want more.

 

[~laser_craver~]

What do you all think about the PTE T Tech turbos? Ive been looking at the 3431 seems to be decent aswell. Any input?

Also is a 38mmm tial external wg enough for 25-30psi range?

 

[Slippi84]

how much boost do you plan on running daily if you plan on running less than 20 than yeah your gonna run into boost crrep and things like that but if your gonna run more than 20 you really won't see the effects of boost creep on a green because it would probably creep to 20psi anyway kind of a cover for the problem but I mean it works I personaly have a 38mm internal for my gt14 that came from sbr and I run 25psi daily and it works fine for me.

 

[TSIfreek]

Ok, I changed my mind. If you're looking for a bolt on internal gate, FP Green (50trim) would be my #1 choice.

I agree the FP green is the best street turbo that will put down 450+ HP and low lls at the track. I will be running this turbo as soon as I max out my B16g and have all the supporing mods for the green.
First get your supporing mods done before going to a bigger turbo than you have now. Get a nice front mout all your fuel and link then the turbo.

 

[~laser_craver~]

Read my mod list before you instruct me on what to buy next.

 

[oztofrdm]

if i was you since you are aparrently worried about turbo lag... Look at the new PTE bb 50 trim it should spool up a little bit faster and give you some good horsepower.

 

[DsMWookie]

FP 3052, itll get you low 11's its ball bearing and its proven. Do it right the first time and never look back.

DSMlink for the idiot savant tuners.

750cc injectors are cheap at FIC.com

You want a turbo that will do it no questions asked and spool decent. That is the one for you. Costs money but costs less to do it once.

 

[dalatinromeo]

Have you decided what turbo you are going to get yet??

 

[~laser_craver~]

I think im going to get the pte t tech 3431. Its ball bearing and it flows at 54lbs a min. Ill link it to here so you all can look at it.

http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=111_113&products_id=2927

lemme know what you think about this one guys...

 

[Slippi84]

Get an oil restricter if you get any PTE turbo they are notorious for burning out due to too high oil pressure. The restrictors are 100 bucs from SBR and you can go right off the head. Good Luck

 

[~laser_craver~]

http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=2287& is that the valve your speaking about?

 

[ericbev]

http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=2287& is that the valve your speaking about?

That would be the restrictor he was reffering to.

 

[~laser_craver~]

I heard that when purchasing the pte bb turbo from SBR it come with it.... Aswell as a 1 year warranty etc. It seems like a very good choice and its relatively cheap.

 

[DsMWookie]

Meh I wasn't impressed with the PTE turbo's no proven numbers and still uses a limiting mitsu housing. Id just get the 3052 to be honest, they've proven themself time and time again.