The Official "What's this DSM worth?" Thread

[2ez4me]

well i dont know if i should buy it or not i am paying 7600..i dont wana buy it for 7600 and then have a problem with the engine in 2 weeks u know what i mean

 

[1gentalonfan]

ok i found a secong gen talon with a 98 eclipse front bumper, lowered, turbo back, and it has a 6 bolt swap thats mated to the original turbo 2nd gen tranny(rebuilt). he wants 3000 for it because he said he cant guarantee it will last long but the motor is supposed to be a jdm motor with no more than 30000 miles. hes a good friend of my brother thats why he told me all he did but, my question is should i buy it. all it needs that we know of is the driver side motor mount, because thats a second gen mount so its only kinda bolted in ### it doesnt line up. it comes with a couple diff heads, all complete, one ported and polished, it has a first gen intake mani with second gen throttle body, hard piped, second gen maf, bigger turbo not sure of what he said some wierd many numbered name but its supposed to safey pull 24 psi till redline, is set at stock psi, has recirc bov right now aftermarket not stock, and the body and interior are basically perect with leather and a nice wing on the back. is there anything special i should know about six bolt swaps like any problems with wiring or mechanically. i know this is a steal and he just sorta doesnt have time and doesnt wanna see it go to waste so he wants it to go to a good home for cheap. sorry for the novel, any input is great. oh its FWD by the way. no rust anywhere to be seen

 

[vr4gasmtt]

If it were me I would say no, thats just way too much work for a FWD car. The price looks nice, it really all comes down to if your willing to put hard work to keep the car running.

Take it out for a test drive. Ask him why hes selling so low, and why he thinks the car wont last long? Is the car even a clean title?

James

 

[Xeiros]

I see no real downside, though I'm sure there is one somewhere. Thats a very good price. If you've got the cash, go for it. You've always got you're current car as a fall back.

 

[1gentalonfan]

im not new to dsms or anything i have a first gen talon which was my first car and my crx which im selling but i started it when i saw it today and it ran perfect and started insantly, he just doesnt think dsms last very long. his brother was kind of the force nagging him to get him and do everything with it. he knew what he was doing and everything but just isnt really a dsm fan. hes more of a honda person i guess. but idk ive been looking all over for even a fwd turbo and this is pretty much the extent of them around here and i would much rather have an awd but havent seen any as of yet so.

 

[Xeiros]

I know what you mean. I was looking all over for a 2nd Gen TSi AWD, but never could find one. Hell, I couldn't find a TSi. It took me forever before I even found an ESi for that matter. When I found my GST, I pounced on it. FWD Turbo is better than no turbo to me.

 

[1gentalonfan]

ya thats kinda why i wanted to pounce on this plus fwd has less complications and possible problems of an awd so im kinda stuck. ill sleep on it and see what comes to mind thanks guys

 

[badTXtsi]

Hello...

I just purchased a 92 Talon Tsi about 2 weeks ago. I am wondering what it might be worth. It has a few dings on the top and a small tear in the ds leather seat. Here's the good... (rebuilt 90 block / k&n intake w 2g maf sensor / ported o2 housing / big 16g / FMIC / hks cams / ported head / full 3" exhaust & downpipe / 550cc injectors / pulley / walbro 255 / act clutch / built double synchro'd tranny / and the other usual stuff) I bought it with only 6k on the rebuild...145k on the car. Wouldn't start and the guy was moving so snagged it for 1000. New alternator, starter, battery, plugs & wires, and a tune up and now the car runs very solid. I'm wondering what I could get for it if I decide to sell it.

Thanks for any responses!

Warren

 

[n00btalon]

Guys from what i read and see this looks like a good deal but im just looking for some oppinions on what would need done and some suggestions. I found a 98 gsx. Currently not running. Parents are selling the car for their son who has ''financial problems '' (dont we all) it has a decent amount of mods done too it.

Heres the list they have given me::::

ENGINE: Mobile 1 1030 every 3,000 miles. Engine/trans parts have less than 15,000 miles on them, most have less than 5,000 miles.

BOTTOM: 2.3L stroker, Crank lightened/turned 10 under, All gaskets Topline with 3'copper head gasket, clevite rod and main bearings, Balance shaft eliminated, Crower rods, Prothane motor mounts.

HEAD: Boared to 20 over, JE pistons(20 over), Titanium retainers, dual valve springs, 1mm over ferrea valves/guides, revised lifters, Topline Rockers, Magnacore plug wires, Blue Kevlar Timing belt(4000mi), Evo spark plugs.

ENGINE MANAGEMENT: Haltech E6K ECU W/laptop plug-in, Dell Laptop.

INTAKE/EXHAUST: HKS intake, 3' Custom cat back exhaust, 3' High flow cat, 3' down pipe.

TURBOFUEL: Ported 16g Turbo w/o2 eliminator housing, All new turbo gaskets, Greddy Intercooler, Tial 41mm wastegate, Greddy Type R Blow Off Valve, 550cc Injectors, Wallbro 255lpf fuel pump.

ELECTRICAL: Greddy Turbo Timer, Autometer Air/Fuel gauge, Blue Colbalt boost, oil pressure, coolant temp, and exhaust temp gauges.(lights on gauges controlled by switch on lower dash board), new battery DRIVETRAIN, ACT 2100 Clutch & Plate, Fidanza Flywheel, Transmission rebuilt around 15,000 miles ago.

EXTERIOR: 17” Momo rims, 4 New Eagle 1 RSA tires, JDM black projector headlights, Front Clear corner lights.

OTHER: BRAND NEW high output alternator


Now the bad. The parents have told me they had it checked out. The problem is, im sure u can guess. Crankwalk, it has a 7bolt. They also gave me what the mechanic said, this being it : “… Determined cause to be broken crankshaft position sensor. Cause of broken sensor is excessive crankshaft end play (approximately .050 of an inch), which is enough for the pick up plate to come out of alignment and break the sensor. Engine lower end will have to be replaced.”


All and all they want 5,000 for the car. the car has a clean title and 79,000 original miles. So after all that what im looking for is, is that worth it? how much do u think would need done to get it running and what are some of the options??


Thanks guy, sry for such of a long post but i wanted to give u all the information i had!

 

[twinturbo3k]

I dont know if i would buy that. Considering that the stroker crankwalked isnt a good sign to the build quality. With that kind of money im very suprised a 6 bolt wasnt put into that car. The haltech is nice to have, and that head is very nice too. I would pay about 3 grand for that, after you get a new bottom end in you will have a pretty nice machine and if you are going to do it yourself youll make out pretty well. Good luck.

 

[n00btalon]

Can i take the bottom end from my 91 tsi and put it in that? (6-bolt correct?) save some money on buying one

 

[Cs4g63]

Yes you can put your 6 bolt in the 98 GSX. Definately see if you can get it for less than $5000. I would buy it for maybe $3000 at the most.

 

[n00btalon]

Is that a good idea? I'll talk to them about it. Lowering the price. Do u have any numbers money wise i could throw around of how much this could cost. As some ''hitting home'' numbers to bring the price down

 

[twinturbo3k]

Is that a good idea? I'll talk to them about it. Lowering the price. Do u have any numbers money wise i could throw around of how much this could cost. As some ''hitting home'' numbers to bring the price down

A 6bolt swap is not just a plug and play event.
Read This: http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/tech/index.htm

Just explain to them how much a NEW shortblock is, then labor, etc. Talk up prices as much as possible, then point out every single fault with the car. I personally dont do this but to get the price down 2k, you are going to need to talk and make it look bad. Since its a money situation I would put money on them accepting a low ball.

 

[1992GSX]

If I were you I'd go to the Mitsu dealer and get a bunch of price quotes for a rebuild on the existing bottom end or an entire motor swap. Dealer quotes are off the wall expensive so that will give you some leverage. They'll quote you 6 grand for a new 7 bolt. Rehash the fact that most people would toss this car rather than replace the motor in it and they're gonna have a hard time selling a car that isn't running.

The way they should see it you're doing them a "favor" by taking their son's car off their hands.

 

[n00btalon]

say i get the car for about 3,000. Now tell me what you would do. Would u take the head from that and put it on my 91 or do the work to the 98??

 

[drivemusicnow]

There is no way in hell the guy will sell the car for 3 grand. The haltech, laptop, wheels and tires, and engine internals/head could be parted out for 3grand.

Really, if you pick it up understanding exactly what you need to do, it's not a terrible deal at 5 grand, but it will take a fair amount of money to finish the car. I think you might be able to talk the parents down to 4, but I would think that the "financial troubles" their son is in would probably make them push for more cash.

 

[n00btalon]

There is no way in hell the guy will sell the car for 3 grand. The haltech, laptop, wheels and tires, and engine internals/head could be parted out for 3grand.

Really, if you pick it up understanding exactly what you need to do, it's not a terrible deal at 5 grand, but it will take a fair amount of money to finish the car.

keep in mind its parents selling to try to get their son out of ''financial headaches''

 

[twinturbo3k]

There is no way in hell the guy will sell the car for 3 grand. The haltech, laptop, wheels and tires, and engine internals/head could be parted out for 3grand.

Really, if you pick it up understanding exactly what you need to do, it's not a terrible deal at 5 grand, but it will take a fair amount of money to finish the car.

You would be suprised what people will sell their cars for in financial situations, I sold my mint condition AWD for $900, new clutch, transfer case, and such, bone stock with 88k on it. I had to pay off student loans. The engine internals are probably damaged from the crankwalk by the way. Laptop is probably worth 200 bucks. Its worth about 3k. A 1996 TSi with mint body, full interior, more or less stock with a FMIC, carbon fiber hood, projectors, and exhaust with a crankwalked engine sold for 550 bucks my buddy picked it up before I could. here are the pics of it in his for sale ad. clean title. http://zenadrin.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php

 

[n00btalon]

How much did your buddy end up spending for that fix?

 

[drivemusicnow]

You would be suprised what people will sell their cars for in financial situations, I sold my mint condition AWD for $900, new clutch, transfer case, and such, bone stock with 88k on it. I had to pay off student loans. The engine internals are probably damaged from the crankwalk by the way. Laptop is probably worth 200 bucks. Its worth about 3k. A 1996 TSi with mint body, full interior, more or less stock with a FMIC, carbon fiber hood, projectors, and exhaust with a crankwalked engine sold for 550 bucks my buddy picked it up before I could. here are the pics of it in his for sale ad. clean title. http://zenadrin.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php

crank walk only hurts the crank and the block. The rebuilt head, rods and pistons would be, unless something else happened, fine.

If I had that car, I would easily be able to part it out for more than 5 grand.

Quickly:
Shell of a 98 AWD in good condition = 800$ (put some shit tires on it, remove the drivetraine completly, if good condition interior add another $200)
Head = 500 minimum (doesn't say he has cams, if he does have cams, then add the new value of cams to it)
Rods and pistons, 400$
Haltech + laptop + plug and play kit is MIN $1000
Wheels and tires = $1000
Turbo = 300$
exhaust = 400$
intercooler, intake, BOV, wastegate all for about 600$ total

Total = >$5k Depending on how pissed those parents are at the kid, I'd say this is a tough bargain. And that is not including the tranny, rear axle, transfer case, fuel system, gauges and clutch. I don't think most people realize how expensive this hobby is when you look at the big picture.

but hell, I'd pick it up for 4 K and part it out to make some extra cash. Or just bolt up a stock 7 bolt bottom end and and have some fun for a while.

 

[twinturbo3k]

How much did your buddy end up spending for that fix?

We had a good 7 bolt laying around, so he just bought a head gasket, timing belt and tensioner, ARP head studs, needed a 2g throttle body elbow (I gave him my old one because I use a non turbo TB with a JMF SMIM) It totalled less than $500. There were a few more parts, like exhaust manifold gasket, turbo lines (we put a 14b on it), and a drivers side axle.

 

[n00btalon]

We had a good 7 bolt laying around, so he just bought a head gasket, timing belt and tensioner, ARP head studs, needed a 2g throttle body elbow (I gave him my old one because I use a non turbo TB with a JMF SMIM) It totalled less than $500. There were a few more parts, like exhaust manifold gasket, turbo lines (we put a 14b on it), and a drivers side axle.

its always nice to just have good engines laying around

 

[twocanewayne]

OK it has been awhile since Ive posted , been out of the game. But I found a 95 or 96 Talon and so far ive only seen the int. and the body Im checking it out tomorrow . The outside does not say anything but 16 valve dohc, what engine should I be expecting?? 4g63 or did they have something else with dohc? I am pretty sure its non turbo. It it a auto , how do I test for crankwalk. I am pretty excited

 

[gsxtacy]

It will be obvious when you pop the hood... Turbo/NA

Good luck.