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Thanks again Xeiros, had no idea that c'walk was typically seen in lower mileage cars. So other than dropping the oil pan (which won't be able to be done) and poping the clutch on a hard left, are there any other sure signs to look for?
 
Here's a log of people that had problems with crankwalk and what not. I didn't read through all of it, but basically all I saw was clutch sticking to the floor during left turns and what not.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

Listen for a ticking noise from the timing belt engine. If the crank is walkinging, it will likely start nicking away at the crank angle sensor (hense the ticking).
 
I think you're right on the dot offer wise. From my personal experience you never know how long these things will last. I've had two, a 95 GST and 97 GSX, and both of them spun a bearing. The gst at 80k and the GSX at 120k. I see that you have a GSX yourself so you probably already know what it takes to keep a 12 year old car, particularly a turbo 12 year old car, running. Just make sure he knows what he is getting into before he buys this thing... Don't get me wrong, I love my car... even though it has been running in 8 months... but... yeah I think that speaks for itself.

Edit: Why does the rear left look so much lower than the right?
 
TSG59_Steve said:
I think you're right on the dot offer wise. From my personal experience you never know how long these things will last. I've had two, a 95 GST and 97 GSX, and both of them spun a bearing. The gst at 80k and the GSX at 120k. I see that you have a GSX yourself so you probably already know what it takes to keep a 12 year old car, particularly a turbo 12 year old car, running. Just make sure he knows what he is getting into before he buys this thing... Don't get me wrong, I love my car... even though it has been running in 8 months... but... yeah I think that speaks for itself.
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Yeah, I agree with the above said. When buying a used car, you never know how the previous owner(s) treated the car... this is especially true with DSMs. Our cars are synonymous with the phrase "cheap speed". Unfortunately, this often means DSMs are driven hard and poorly maintained. Somewhere along the line, its likely this 12 year old turbo car has seen an abusive owner. Now, by no means am I saying not to get the car, but like Steve said, make sure your little bro knows what he is getting into.

Like they say... a $2000 DSM will need another $2000 in maintenance. Keep that in mind.
 
Hey i found a 1991 talon tsi fwd for sale for 1300$. The car reads 202,000 miles.

supposedly the motor was rebuilt at 100k by mitsubishi,rebuilt turbo, he has receipts.
suppseldy it has a recent 30k mile clutch
has a high flow fuel pump, rail and regulator, and an old school boost controller.
k&n intake and a high flow cat on the stock exhaust.

The ride: i start the car and it idles at 2 grand. warms up and goes down to 1200 rpm. THen it would randomly go from 1200-1000k rpms. The clutch felt funny. It felt as if the first half of pushing it down didnt have any tension at all and did nothing at all, and from the floor up a couple inches it engages but felt weird. DO these have cables??? Then the brakes had air in them and i have to pump them a few times.

power wise the car would break loose in first and second and was pushing about 14-15psi of boost. it didnt blow any smoke. it needs a front ball joint (felt like wheels was gonna fall off) and needs front tires.

the interior wasnt great and was not horrible either eeggh.
the body has peeling clear coat on the hood and rust spots by the rear fenders.
it was two tone red and black

so what do you think this is worth?
 
The clutch problem could be a few things 1st of all it could be in need of bleeding because these clutch lines do not use cables it is hydrolic, 2nd it could have a worn rubber clutch line. 3rd could need a new clutch fork. 4th it could need new clutch slave and master cylinders. And 5th he could be lying that it had a new clutch put in it. The idle problem could be a IAC sensor (idle air control). or a TPS sensor (throttle position). reading your description of this car i would not pay more than a grand for it. But this is all just my opinions and i hope i could help you out, and if you really wanted to know more about it just drive it down to a local automotive shop and have them look at it up and down.
 
Hey i found a 1991 talon tsi fwd for sale for 1300$. The car reads 202,000 miles.

supposedly the motor was rebuilt at 100k by mitsubishi,rebuilt turbo, he has receipts.
suppseldy it has a recent 30k mile clutch
has a high flow fuel pump, rail and regulator, and an old school boost controller.
k&n intake and a high flow cat on the stock exhaust.

The ride: i start the car and it idles at 2 grand. warms up and goes down to 1200 rpm. THen it would randomly go from 1200-1000k rpms. The clutch felt funny. It felt as if the first half of pushing it down didnt have any tension at all and did nothing at all, and from the floor up a couple inches it engages but felt weird. DO these have cables??? Then the brakes had air in them and i have to pump them a few times.

power wise the car would break loose in first and second and was pushing about 14-15psi of boost. it didnt blow any smoke. it needs a front ball joint (felt like wheels was gonna fall off) and needs front tires.

the interior wasnt great and was not horrible either eeggh.
the body has peeling clear coat on the hood and rust spots by the rear fenders.
it was two tone red and black

so what do you think this is worth?
 
Sounds like a decent deal. If you pass let me know because I know someone who is looking for a DSM. As they said a DSM is worth depending on how much you want to spend. Check for rust, compression I am betting it is a boost leak/vac leak to make it idle high and then drop.

But if no rust and stuff and you pass let me know.

Edit: Local chapter is newengdsm.org, there is senior DSMers there, so the knowledge base is awesome. I question the car because it has a MBC so you definitely know they wanted to go fast.
 
200k miles in the east coast, rust would be my concern. seeing as this car has rust, i say dont buy it.
 
I would say its worth about 1000. I just bought a 90 tsi awd for 1200 and i had to replace the windshied, the hood, the exhaust, front axles and ball joints, and the clutch master cylinder.And it still needs alot of work. So i would say if your prepared for alot of work and downtime,(as with any older car), Go for it. :thumb:
 
Hey guys I just joined this forum and I'm desperately in need of your help/opinion on this GSX that im considering.
Here's the link:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/car/297003394.html

the reason why it has a new engine is becuase his friend and him had installed the wrong BOV which caused the turbo to blow up and blow the engine with it, so now it has a new engine.

I'm a bit skeptical of this sort of thing. Is a new engine a good thing or a bad thing. I've heard rumors that both the engine and tranny should be changed together in order for it to work out perfectly. If I do try to go for it I'll try to talk the person down to $8k or $9k. I already e-mailed him about $8k and he seemed unwilling. I'll definitely have to get rid of the underglow =/ if i get it too.

So please Dsmtuners Help !

Thanks.
 
8k is way too much still. That car has 8-9 years already. Think about it. The stuff that he has inside, doesn´t mean the price has to go up. The value of a car, is more taken in consideration because of the year, not what´s inside. Why do you think Dsm people tend to look for unmoded dsms? cars that are not beaten up. I would like to mention as well, that i don´t see any kind of performance parts added worth 7000, like he is stating. Btw, that car has a blow off and he is not recirculating? if he does not recirculate, most likely he doesn´t know anything about the car. Most of the ¨extras¨ are stock in that car. Regarding the engine, lets think about it. He might have a rebuilt engine, which can be good if it was done properly or bad, if it was done incorrectly. Most likely the engine is a used one, that was already beaten up (who would have a turbo car just to drive around? people like them to boost them). This engines are not made anymore, so I don´t think it would be new, as the word says: never used. It might be in good condition, but not worth 8-9k for such an old car. And its false, a new engine, doesn´t need a new tranny to work properly.
 
overpriced. my buddy is selling a 2g awd with a fully built 2.0 with a gt30r, gram lights, and stoptechs, etc. he's only looking for $12k.
 
I bought my 99GSX in 2002 with some mods for $15.5K with lower mileage and no problems. Heck, I would be hard to get the same amount for my car now with $60+K in parts/mods/repairs. WTF

Personally, DON'T BUY THIS ONE for $10K. We cannot see it in person to verify the condition, mechanicals, etc.
 
Yea dont buy the this looks good on paper but can you really trust a car that old for that much.
 
Its going to come down to whether or not you are willing to fork out that much cash for the car. If you really want it and cant find anything else then get it. But still try and get the price down.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, I'm for sure not gonna pay a dime over $9k, I've been searching for a 2G GSX for a while and it's really hard to find a decent one that has below 90k or 80k miles. I still have to look at that car in person to tell fully if its clean. I've looked at the classifieds on this forum and there are some decent ones worth lookin at with a fair price, but damn, according to the calculated distance, no one is below 1000 miles away from here.

the Kbb value for that car is kind of puzzling too. Do I go by how many miles are on the body or on the engine or soemwhere half way??
 
Dude i got my 95 TSI AWD with 90k for 1500 with a blown motor. It came with a freshly rebuilt 6bolt ready to be swapped a complete rebuild kit for the motor that just let go, a spare trans, spare eclipse front bumper, full 3 inch greddy exhaust from the turbo back, short shifter, stage 2 clutch greddy bov and an ass load of other stuff all for just 1,500 bucks. it was some work to get it back on the road but it was really worth saving the money. Your much better off finding a car that needs a little fixing up than paying that much for one that may have more problems in the future, but good luck either way.

you really should listen to Stainbox12... he seams to be dead on.
 
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