tein flex damper full coil overs

[rocketrapson]

Anyone ever use these on their car? Im looking for people that use them or have had them in the past to tell me the good and the bad on them. Im im the process of saving up for them and if I can get a full coilover that is better and cheaper id like to know before I drop 1500 on my suspension

 

[jtmcinder]

Too much high-speed compression and skittered badly, especially with the bleeder at anything but full soft.

Have you heard of Koni Yellows?

 

[3kgt2nv]

koni yellows and groundcontrol springs

about 950 bucks will work better than anything up to about the 2k price range

 

[rocketrapson]

koni yellows and groundcontrol springs

about 950 bucks will work better than anything up to about the 2k price range

Id like to stick with a coilover system, rather than mix and match struts and springs.

Any other reviews or suggestions?

Too much high-speed compression and skittered badly, especially with the bleeder at anything but full soft.

Have you heard of Koni Yellows?

I dont quite get what you mean by high speed compression, and can you elaborate on the issues you had with them

 

[3kgt2nv]

Id like to stick with a coilover system, rather than mix and match struts and springs.

Any other reviews or suggestions?

You have reviews your just not hearing what you want. so go buy whatever setup you have in mind so you can say you have coilovers.

If you looked at what was suggested you would have realized that what i said is the same thing as a coilover. it just performs a lot better.

Gives adjustable dampening and adjustable ride height. has a good warranty and isn't known for failing like a lot of the sub 2k price range coil overs.

But I don't care if you waste 600 bucks for a worse setup. I would suggest using the yellow search button up top or look in the tech articles at suspension set ups since you don't want the suggested and better performing set up.

 

[snowborder714]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/442959-daily-driver-suspension.html#post153054584

 

[jtmcinder]

I dont quite get what you mean by high speed compression, and can you elaborate on the issues you had with them

Are you at least up to this level? HowStuffWorks "Dampers: Shocks" I'm not sure at what level to write my answer.

 

[TalonJohn94]

Wow, you guys are really giving this guy the business.

One tip I would say is do your research. I went out and bought the classic Tokico adjustables with Eibach springs and although they were pretty affordable and install was easy I have read now that it would have been well worth it to pop for the Koni units.

One thing I was always wondering about and it was answered in the aforementioned link regarding "handling" is that a good suspension will have equal or near-equal ride quality during normal driving but increased performance when needed.

I always wondered how GTI's and other newer sport compact cars drove so nicely but still allowed better performance during spirited driving. And longevity is imporant, too. Especially when you want to focus on power and not worry too much about replacing suspension components.

 

[rocketrapson]

You have reviews your just not hearing what you want. so go buy whatever setup you have in mind so you can say you have coilovers.

If you looked at what was suggested you would have realized that what i said is the same thing as a coilover. it just performs a lot better.

Gives adjustable dampening and adjustable ride height. has a good warranty and isn't known for failing like a lot of the sub 2k price range coil overs.

But I don't care if you waste 600 bucks for a worse setup. I would suggest using the yellow search button up top or look in the tech articles at suspension set ups since you don't want the suggested and better performing set up.

My bad for asking you to elaborate a bit more, take your meds dude.

 

[Ludachris]

Id like to stick with a coilover system, rather than mix and match struts and springs.

Any other reviews or suggestions?

There's a reason a couple people have suggested Koni over these coilovers, and just about any coilovers in the same price range as these - they're better, even when you mix and match them with different spring rates. If you want inferior coilovers, by all means, buy the ones you're looking at. If you want something better for about the same price or less, build the coilovers Brian mentioned in his link above using Konis and Hypercoil springs. Better ride, more compliant, better performance, better quality, less glamorous because it's not a full coilover with 1826 adjustments (I'm exaggerating) - but it does have a coaxial upper mount in the front, which makes it infinitely better than the kit you're looking at. The only Tein coilover kit that I know of that comes with a front coaxial upper mount for the 2g is the Super Street kit, but even then you're still going to have to deal with the super stiff damping on the street.

Konis and perches don't seem as sexy because they aren't a "true" coilover, but they will definitely do what you want them to do better than most of the sub-$2k coilovers on the market (for the 2g). Maybe this is the question you should ask - "how many people have used the Tein Flex or a comparable coilover in that price range and have gone to a Koni-based setup with coaxial upper mounts and hypercoil/eibach springs and perches, and which solution did you like better and why?" Get feedback on that question and you'll be golden.

 

[snowborder714]

Maybe this is the question you should ask - "how many people have used the Tein Flex or a comparable coilover in that price range and have gone to a Koni-based setup with coaxial upper mounts and hypercoil/eibach springs and perches, and which solution did you like better and why?" Get feedback on that question and you'll be golden.

My feedback in response to this exact question/situation is above

 

[rocketrapson]

^^ I checked out that other thread, I've never had a lot of experience with suspension set ups and id say that an old neon I had bought that had gold line springs on it probably had something to do with it. Lol, previous owner of that car got one over on me, had busted struts.

Anyway... Koni gets a lot of hype in the dsm world and I might just have to give them a shot, cant say I've heard of hypercoil springs though.

Are they a lowering spring? How are eibachs in comparison to some others? Im definitely not going with goldline because of my previous experience with them.

The car is mainly going to be my DD, I may take it to the strip but not much since there is no strip close to my home in Maryland but they do have some sort of track event at our local airport and I want to try to be competitive there.

 

[Lavery]

^^ I checked out that other thread, I've never had a lot of experience with suspension set ups and id say that an old neon I had bought that had gold line springs on it probably had something to do with it. Lol, previous owner of that car got one over on me, had busted struts.

Anyway... Koni gets a lot of hype in the dsm world and I might just have to give them a shot, cant say I've heard of hypercoil springs though.

Are they a lowering spring? How are eibachs in comparison to some others? Im definitely not going with goldline because of my previous experience with them.

The car is mainly going to be my DD, I may take it to the strip but not much since there is no strip close to my home in Maryland but they do have some sort of track event at our local airport and I want to try to be competitive there.

I have no experience with any of the suspension mentioned above. But there are several drag strips all over Maryland. Mason Dixon, Maryland International and 75-80 drag way. Im sure there are more but those just came to me off the top of my head. Just FYI.

 

[rocketrapson]

I have no experience with any of the suspension mentioned above. But there are several drag strips all over Maryland. Mason Dixon, Maryland International and 75-80 drag way. Im sure there are more but those just came to me off the top of my head. Just FYI.

I know there are a bunch, im speaking as to reasonable driving distance. Im going to be in cumberland md. I think mason Dixon is the closest to me

Ok, back to being on point. The koni yellows from what I've been shown are the superior strut to most, it looks like building my own coil overs is the best option.

GC coilovers seem pretty popular and once im off staff duty ill be looking around better, for now though what would be a recommended partner to the koni? Im leaning toward the GC coilover but ill be looking harder tomorrow when I have my actual computer

 

[Ludachris]

^^ I checked out that other thread, I've never had a lot of experience with suspension set ups and id say that an old neon I had bought that had gold line springs on it probably had something to do with it. Lol, previous owner of that car got one over on me, had busted struts.

Anyway... Koni gets a lot of hype in the dsm world and I might just have to give them a shot, cant say I've heard of hypercoil springs though.

Are they a lowering spring? How are eibachs in comparison to some others? Im definitely not going with goldline because of my previous experience with them.

The car is mainly going to be my DD, I may take it to the strip but not much since there is no strip close to my home in Maryland but they do have some sort of track event at our local airport and I want to try to be competitive there.

The Hypercoil and Eibach springs people are referring to with the Dennis Grant coilover setup using Koni shocks are different than the Eibach Prokit and Sportline lowering springs. These are 2.5" race springs which will fit the perches you'd buy to go over the Konis and come in different spring rates. Hypercoil springs are mainly used in the racing world, they're not popular on OEM applications as a lowering spring, which is why you haven't heard of them.

Konis are hands down the best shock available for the DSM. You might be able to adapt something better, but off the shelf, the Koni is the best, and considered to be better than most all of the sub $2k coilover kits when combined with a perch/spring kit with a coaxial mount. And they just so happen to be affordable too.

 

[snowborder714]

TThese are 2.5" race springs which will fit the perches you'd buy to go over the Konis and come in different spring rates.

You use 2.25" springs if you go with the Koni sleeve kit.

 

[Ludachris]

I know there are a bunch, im speaking as to reasonable driving distance. Im going to be in cumberland md. I think mason Dixon is the closest to me

Ok, back to being on point. The koni yellows from what I've been shown are the superior strut to most, it looks like building my own coil overs is the best option.

GC coilovers seem pretty popular and once im off staff duty ill be looking around better, for now though what would be a recommended partner to the koni? Im leaning toward the GC coilover but ill be looking harder tomorrow when I have my actual computer

Ground Control isn't the ideal solution for the 2g. You'll want custom upper mounts made. You can get them made by taking the drawings found here to a machine shop:
Autocross.dsm.org - Build Your Own Konis

All the parts you'd need to build Koni coilovers are listed in that link.

Or you can call up Magnus and see if they'll build the whole kit for you.

 

[stukyl28]

I bought snowboarders old tein flex coils off him. I like how they ride, they are just really stiff. I was upgrading from tokico blue kit tho so these are my first coilovers on a dsm. I just love that you can adjust the damping inside the car ( with edfc ) for however stiff you want them, even tho I always ride around on full soft

 

[Sebba]

For the money I prefer a personalized set of BC Coils.

2JRacing is the only place I know of that allows you to pick your own valving and spring rates. Not to mention they give you the option to invert them and have remote reservoirs. I like that you can also get additional springs, 2 steps stiffer and softer without having to re valve them.

For the price I can't find anything better.

Here's a link:

http://www.2j-racing.com/suspension-chassis/bc-racing-custom-spec-d-coilovers.html

 

[Ludachris]

For the money I prefer a personalized set of BC Coils.

2JRacing is the only place I know of that allows you to pick your own valving and spring rates. Not to mention they give you the option to invert them and have remote reservoirs. I like that you can also get additional springs, 2 steps stiffer and softer without having to re valve them.

For the price I can't find anything better.

Here's a link:

BC Racing Custom Spec'd Coilovers - BR Series - Suspension & Chassis

Hey in that case they most likely offer a shock dyno sheet for each corner too, which would be something you'd want for any shock - more so for a cheap shock like that. The jury's still out on the BC stuff for me but I'd like to hear more about them from people who track their cars. They're still in the price point with all the options that are considered to be crap.

 

[Sebba]

Hey in that case they most likely offer a shock dyno sheet for each corner too, which would be something you'd want for any shock - more so for a cheap shock like that. The jury's still out on the BC stuff for me but I'd like to hear more about them from people who track their cars. They're still in the price point with all the options that are considered to be crap.

The car featured on that website solely runs BC's, and has won multiple championships and races with zero failures running a 245 R-Comp. Works for me. Getting a set from them is better than buying off the shelf because you get to choose all your own specifications. That's something nobody else offers.

They also collaborated with BC to implement necessary improvements from their findings at the track.

The Euro guys are having good success with the BR series too.

Affordable but not shitty.

 

[jtmcinder]

Not to mention they give you the option to invert them and have remote reservoirs. I like that you can also get additional springs, 2 steps stiffer and softer without having to re valve them.

Let's be clear about this. First, the inverted version is almost definitely a different shock. Very few, if any, shocks can simply be flipped and still work. Shocks that are run inverted are designed to be run that way. (And how many people run inverteds on a double-wishbone car, anyway?) This is a 2G thread.

Second, it is NOT a good sign that they will send you a variety of springs and say that you can run any of them without revalving. At least, this is not a good thing unless the shocks have at least two, if not three, independent adjusters. As you increase the spring-rate (without any other changes to the car), you usually want to shift the ratio of rebound to compression. More spring, higher ratio. So when someone tells you that you can run a variety of springs without revalving, stop and think about what this says about their dedication to getting the shocks-and-springs package right.

Now, you might argue back that we have been suggesting OTS Koni Sports to lots of people without ever asking their spring-rates. That would be a good point. But one of the nice things about Konis is that the adjuster changes rebound only and there is no cross-talk because all compression damping is in the foot-valve, so Konis allow you to adjust the ratio of rebound to compression with ease. So, maybe the above is a bit too extreme. Maybe I shouldn't have said that you need at least two independent adjusters; maybe I should only have said to avoid shocks with a two-way bleeder adjuster.

 

[Sebba]

Let's be clear about this. First, the inverted version is almost definitely a different shock. Very few, if any, shocks can simply be flipped and still work. Shocks that are run inverted are designed to be run that way. (And how many people run inverteds on a double-wishbone car, anyway?) This is a 2G thread.

Second, it is NOT a good sign that they will send you a variety of springs and say that you can run any of them without revalving. At least, this is not a good thing unless the shocks have at least two, if not three, independent adjusters. As you increase the spring-rate (without any other changes to the car), you usually want to shift the ratio of rebound to compression. More spring, higher ratio. So when someone tells you that you can run a variety of springs without revalving, stop and think about what this says about their dedication to getting the shocks-and-springs package right.

Now, you might argue back that we have been suggesting OTS Koni Sports to lots of people without ever asking their spring-rates. That would be a good point. But one of the nice things about Konis is that the adjuster changes rebound only and there is no cross-talk because all compression damping is in the foot-valve, so Konis allow you to adjust the ratio of rebound to compression with ease. So, maybe the above is a bit too extreme. Maybe I shouldn't have said that you need at least two independent adjusters; maybe I should only have said to avoid shocks with a two-way bleeder adjuster.

I said inversion was an option, not that you'd want to on a DSM.

I also said you can deviate + or - 2kg from what the coils are valved to, not just pick a spring rate.

 

[jtmcinder]

If you're going to post what boils down to "read what I wrote more carefully," then maybe you should put a little more effort into writing better posts.

I said inversion was an option, not that you'd want to on a DSM.

You do want inverted fronts on a 1G DSM. They're only extreme to the point of being silly on 2Gs.

I also said you can deviate + or - 2kg from what the coils are valved to, not just pick a spring rate.

Yes. You said that you can change the springs by 20% and keep the same valving. I got that. Now try to absorb that I do not agree.

 

[Sebba]

If you're going to post what boils down to "read what I wrote more carefully," then maybe you should put a little more effort into writing better posts.

You do want inverted fronts on a 1G DSM. They're only extreme to the point of being silly on 2Gs.

Yes. You said that you can change the springs by 20% and keep the same valving. I got that. Now try to absorb that I do not agree.

I did NOT say 20 percent I said two steps softer or harder, and you can do so without voiding your warranty. I don't care if you agree or not, plenty do just that with no problem.

Being awake for almost three days will slow down anyone.