Smoke coming from between header and turbo application

[Nightlife Customs]

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Here is a video of it smoking.. Not sure why it is? I looked under the car to see if there was any signs of a leak.. No wet spots / surfaces under the header, nothing on the down pipe, nothing under the turbo itself either

I know that the old oil line I had to the turbo ha busted and caused a past existing leak - but I used brake cleaner and air and cleaned off the existing oil and even if there was something I missed - ran the car for 10-15 min letting the car idle to make sure timing was right and letting the motor burn any excess oil I missed and with how the lighting position is currently - it looks like it's coming from the bottom from where the turbo is connected to the header

Possible bad gasket there?

 

[92AWDHX40]

cant see pic.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

I would like to add

I notice that some times the nuts that are used to hold the turbo application comes finger lose?

Would the fact that I have clutch chatter add to this problem? I have gone over almost every bolt and nut and nothing else was anywhere near the ball park as these 4 nuts?

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I'll add a couple - give me a sec to upload them to photo bucket

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[IQ685]

Honestly with how the density of the smoke changes when you crack the throttle would suggest to me an exhaust leak, not just burning oil. Does it smell like it's burning oil?

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Honestly with how the density of the smoke changes when you crack the throttle would suggest to me an exhaust leak, not just burning oil. Does it smell like it's burning oil?

To an extent - and I thought too possible exhaust leak - I'm just finding one thing after another with this car.. I've owned this DSM now for.. 3 months? And I have almost 5k into just fixing it to make it a DD :/

The joys of owning a turd bucket

 

[IQ685]

Good luck man, I'd advise finding someone in your area to come help you with it.

 

[jayson427]

What part of Phoenix are you in? I'm up in Mesa off of the 60 and dobson. Maybe I can help you out over the weekend. It's definitely burning oil. Seems it could be your seals on the turbo because that alot of smoke. When you take your oil cap off while the car is running does it smoke the same way out of the cap?

I just noticed your car is a 420a and not a spyder which is totally different. Do you have a catch can set up or just stock pcv? It can be your turbo seals, blow-by or valve seals.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Idk let me go see

And I'm in west Peoria - just moved out of cave creek to move down here with family - stepdad just had a TAI stroke recently

So battery light came on.. Checked tenth on of the belt of the alternator
Called a local Mitsubishi dealer to confirm the amp of the alternator for the 420a
Terminals are stupid tight..
Checked the fuse and low and behold! A bad fuse :/ so I don't think I needed to buy a new alternator

To answer your second question

I don't have the slightest clue - I'm a auto body guy and not a wrench I've always wanted an eclipse and found one that had some work done to it so I'm learning the car as I encounter the problems

If you could elaborate or.. Explain what your askin I could probably better answer your question

Just sent in a request for a mod to change my car ID

When I bought it - was told it was a GS

When I got a new title it was a RS which yes makes it that lovely 420a nT

 

[Ghost_92TSi]

Idk let me go see

And I'm in west Peoria - just moved out of cave creek to move down here with family - stepdad just had a TAI stroke recently

So battery light came on.. Checked tenth on of the belt of the alternator
Called a local Mitsubishi dealer to confirm the amp of the alternator for the 420a
Terminals are stupid tight..
Checked the fuse and low and behold! A bad fuse :/ so I don't think I needed to buy a new alternator

To answer your second question

I don't have the slightest clue - I'm a auto body guy and not a wrench I've always wanted an eclipse and found one that had some work done to it so I'm learning the car as I encounter the problems

If you could elaborate or.. Explain what your askin I could probably better answer your question

Just sent in a request for a mod to change my car ID

When I bought it - was told it was a GS

When I got a new title it was a RS which yes makes it that lovely 420a nT

GS and RS have the same motor. The only difference is when it comes to brakes and other options. The GS Spyder (convertible) has the 4g64 n/t.

The catch can is a container that separated the oil and air that is being released from the crankcase back into the intake. I'm thinking the 420a PCV system isn't meant for the added pressure to the crankcase when it has been turbo'd so you need one to keep you from burning oil.

 

[4g63t]

What do you have for a pcv system. Pop off the dp and see if your tubo seal is leaking into the dp. Could be from a few different things.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Yes they have the same motor.. But isn't the motor and tranny placement is different

IE: RS trans is on driver side - GS is on passenger?

So I did some googlin

I don't have a catch can system
So I am running a stock PCV system

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Going to assume that's my PCV valve

What do you have for a pcv system. Pop off the dp and see if your tubo seal is leaking into the dp. Could be from a few different things.

What are you referring "dp" to?

 

[Ghost_92TSi]

Yes they have the same motor.. But isn't the motor and tranny placement is different

IE: RS trans is on driver side - GS is on passenger?

So I did some googlin

I don't have a catch can system
So I am running a stock PCV system

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Going to assume that's my PCV valve



What are you referring "dp" to?

Nope they are the same. The 4g motors are where in comes different. That is only GST and GSX (and 1g 2.0 n/t and 2g GS spyder 4g64.

And I edited the last post but Ill put it here in case you missed it, got a few replies since then.

The catch can is a container that separated the oil and air that is being released from the crankcase back into the intake. I'm thinking the 420a PCV system isn't meant for the added pressure to the crankcase when it has been turbo'd so you need one to keep you from burning oil.

DP is the Downpipe. see if there is oil post turbo in the exhaust.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Could be anything with smoke coming out of that area.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Again don't want to go on an assumption and would rather confirm my assumption

I did notice some build up down in the case from when I removed a spark plug when trying to diag why my car wasn't cranking yesterday

I'll see if I can get a picture of it from top side

And I'll drop the dp and snap a photo as well

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Not sure what I'm looking for in here? But it's a smooth black down the pipe - nothing as far as signs of moisture or streaks of what would be a wet drip / stream down the down pipe - like condensation

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[92AWDHX40]

Well kinda hard with smoke could be something still on manifold. Let it burn off unless you have a constant leak or drippage. Fix any leaks by tightening up the loose bolts if any shouldnt be too many.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

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Not too foul - haven't changed them since I bought the car - believe me it's on my to do list

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But you can see the build up (barely I know) in the case

Well kinda hard with smoke could be something still on manifold. Let it burn off unless you have a constant leak or drippage. Fix any leaks by tightening up the loose bolts if any shouldnt be too many.

The only leak I have goin right now is the drain plug and it's because there is no gasket / washer behind it

Noticed this over the weekend when I was doin my alternator

Could be anything with smoke coming out of that area.

Correct but thankfully the way the sun light was given to me this morning.. The way the smoke was rolling you could totally tell it was coming from the bottom of where the turbo application is bolted to the header

 

[jayson427]

What do you have to tune your car with? Seems like you're running rich. I really think it's your turbo seals which is not good. Without proper oiling you can sieze the turbo or destroy parts inside the center. Take your pcv line off the intake and see how much smoke comes out of it. A compression check would rule out blow-by and a leak down test would rule out valve seals leaving only the turbo seals left. It's hard to tell without being right there.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

What do you have to tune your car with? Seems like you're running rich. I really think it's your turbo seals which is not good. Without proper oiling you can sieze the turbo or destroy parts inside the center. Take your pcv line off the intake and see how much smoke comes out of it. A compression check would rule out blow-by and a leak down test would rule out valve seals leaving only the turbo seals left. It's hard to tell without being right there.

I have nothing to "tune" the turbo - from what I understand and threw me for a loop for a while was there are two ways you can define how much psi ## tubro is pulling.. either by an electronic module that can be mounted within the car and its more of a push of a button - and then there is the one thats mounted next to the turbo itself and its a twist top

I have the twist top

I havent touched it or messed with it since I bought the car..

I want to agree with you on the rich portion - I fixed the electrical for the tri pod gauges for air / fuel ratio, boost and whatever the other one is - was explained that those were just "dummies" well theyre not any more. And at idle - the air / fuel gauge bounces from running rich to running lean.. Assuming this isnt normal for a turbo system?

I have maybe.. put on maybe.. 200 miles since the keys were in my hand.. It has spent the majority of its life with me either in shops ive hopped to and from in or on jack stands (as its sitting as we speak) in my car port

So the smoking stopped.. went and replaced my 120amp 32v fuse for the Alternator Choke and cant get anything to puff..

I am wondering if the oil burned off from between the turbo and header bolt on.. But - yes I need to pick up a few things to do a compression test on it to find out whats goin on where..

And it was to my understanding with this turbo application that the fitting thats mounted on the system itself - was the purpose of keeping the turbo lubricated with oil so that it wont burn itself out.

Also I have this sweet little gizmo that I noticed thats within the car that has a 30 second timer when I shut the car off - car idles for 30 seconds and then cuts out - assuming this is to allow the turbo to not be shut off completely to protect it from just that?

 

[Ghost_92TSi]

Looks good on the DP end. Pull off the PCV hose, the bigger one and see if there is any moisture (specifically oil) lined in there. If not maybe it is just residue. Mine always smokes after I touched everything with oil/grime on my hands. How long did it run that it was still smoking?

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Looks good on the DP end. Pull off the PCV hose, the bigger one and see if there is any moisture (specifically oil) lined in there. If not maybe it is just residue. Mine always smokes after I touched everything with oil/grime on my hands. How long did it run that it was still smoking?

If I had to guess?? Turned it on and off twice - first time when it caught me off guard and turned it off immediately - second time ran it maybe 10-15 min? Let it cool down until i could grab the dp bare handed - examined the area for signs of leaks

Where I was having the oil leak - if you look above - im sure I posted the picture of the busted line that I had on there before (was a steel braid line and the line itself busted inside and the braid never frayed - assuming that the motor torques towards the firewall.. it was jerking on the oil line to the turbo and eventually it just cracked inside and caused enough pressure in the line to spray between the steel braid and oil went where ever it went to Primarily all over my starter :/ which as we know is located under the turbo application)

But so I know for future reference what would I be looking for in the down pipe that would stand out? As far as your question / assumption on that aspect

Turned it on for a 3rd time - found the battery light - even after replacing all that entails that light to find my fuse was bad..

To check to see if there was any smoke coming out from the oil spout if you will.. and thats when I noticed I couldnt get any smoke to produce from the original location..

No moisture though in the PCV valve that I can see - looks like anything inside a rubber boot

 

[Ghost_92TSi]

I think it might just be residue from the line breaking, let it burn off for a while. Keep an eye on oil pressure.
And yes for future reference, if a turbo seal or exhaust valve seal is blown, you can find traces of oil in the downpipe.

 

[jayson427]

You definitely have some good parts on your car. Do you know what turbo you have on the car? Your sfmu is what is helping your car run. And having 570cc injectors is alot with no real tune. Installing a safc2 would help you from running rich and make the car run alot better. It would be cool to meet up if you're ever in the south side of Phoenix.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

I'm out there twice a month off the 60 and university - my probation team is out there

All I know is its a g20 "log"?

 

[matt98eclipse]

Any issues your having with the car feel free to pm me!!

The turbo thats on the car is called a hahns 20g with a log style type of exhaust manifold.

theres most likely a exhaust leak on the bottem left side of the exhaust manifold. The threads on the cylinder head are a little messed up and sometimes the nuts back out on the studs at times! Id be willing to bet you money that the exhaust manifold gasket needs replaced or its just leakin where the threads are a little messed up under the thermostate houseing side.

 

[Nightlife Customs]

Well Matt

Yes - I noticed from letting it idle that the nuts come lose just at idle.. So there is the leak where it ruined the gasket.. And after looking at the studs.. Looks like someone messed with it already and don't want to use lock tight on it incase someone wants to go ahead an fix this down the road

Because it just seems that everything so far you've commented on my posts just seem to validate or make room for a comment of a "oh ya by the way"