Seafoam, BG 44k, BG MOA, K&W Engine Tune Up...?

[1gcrazy]

Ok guys, i'm an overacheiver. I dont wanna hear oh you dont need all that CAUSE I DO!

Anyways, I've got a few different bottles of chemicals here that i'm looking to use on my daily to make sure the combustion chamber/engine is as clean as possible. I just bought this car with 135k on the clock and i'm sure it hasn't been cared for like it should SO, Not only would I like some instruction on the order in which they should be used but your experiances and opinions on them.

1. The Legendary SeaFoam. I've got two bottles, one will go in the fuel tank and the other will get sucked in the intake manifold. Fuel additive.

2. 44k from BG, i've heard good things about this stuff but never seen it in action. Fuel additive

3. K&W Engine Tune Up, I got this from a friend. Never even heard of it. It's an oil additive.

4. MOA from BG, It's from BG which is good but again, never heard or seen anything about it. Oil additive.

I've got one issue. If I suck the seafoam through the intake and people tell you to change your oil. Why would I do that? If any seafoam got IN the oil wouldn't that HELP? It even suggest putting a can in the oil!?

So I was thinking this would be the order in which I used all these wonderful liquids...

1. Seafoam through the intake mani and a can in the gas at the same time.

2. Then clear out all the seafoam and use the 44k by BG.

3. THEN Change the oil and add the MOA additive. Then run through that tank.

4. At the next oil change i'll add the Engine Tune Up....

I'm really not sure how to add all these to get the most out of each one...any ideas?

 

[Calan]

Ok guys, i'm an overacheiver. I dont wanna hear oh you dont need all that CAUSE I DO!

Why do you think you need all of this?

I'm really not sure how to add all these to get the most out of each one...any ideas?

Ummm... Don't?

I'm a firm believer in Seafoam, and maybe a can of Restore every now and then if I have noisy lifters... but all of this?

 

[AndrewD5418]

Why do you think you need all of this?




Ummm... Don't?

I'm a firm believer in Seafoam, and maybe a can of Restore every now and then if I have noisy lifters... but all of this?

Restore's can SPECIFICALLY states that it should NOT be used on turbocharged engines.

 

[1gcrazy]

Why do you think you need all of this?




Ummm... Don't?

Ummm no....


I guess I should have mentioned that I'm trying to raise my compression as much as possible. I retested my compression today and the rings in the car are going. I have no idea what condition anything on this car is in. When I got the car, the coil was bad. I changed that and fixed a studder and now everything runs decent. I'm still getting 120ish compression and 150ish with oil in the cylinder.
I'm one of those people that will duct tape the shit out of a package to make sure it doesn't open. I'm basically trying to clean the inside of the engine so it'll last JUUUST long enough to get my built motor in my other 91. I need to try whatever i can to get these rings to free up a little because frankly, after this build I wont have alot of cash to throw towards another rebuild.... Its not just one cylinder, its ALL the cylinders.

Anyways, I've been holding onto these products for a looong time and not only does this car need ANY help it can get, i'm running out of room on my shelf.

So theres my explanation. Now, not to be rude, but lets stay on topic...

 

[1gcrazy]

Maybe my question needs to be...in what order should I use these to HELP the most towards freeing up my rings.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[gsxAWDdsm692]

Yea, I just use seafoam almost every oil change and restore once and a while. Seafoam works wonders for me and a lot of others on this site. Plus its interesting to watch haha

 

[Apeximprt2nr]

I've never heard of any of those besides Seafoam. I love it, and use it every once in awhile. I don't think using all of those will help you out substantially. It's almost unnecessary. I suggest using just one fuel additive and one oil additive since you seem to be set on using them all hah.

 

[Calan]

I don't think using all of those will help you out substantially. It's almost unnecessary. I suggest using just one fuel additive and one oil additive since you seem to be set on using them all hah.

As you can probably tell... you might not find the answers you are looking for here, as most people will probably agree that using all of them might not be the best solution.

I'm not familiar with all of those, but IMHO mixing several similar products usually tend to work against each other and not achieve the effect that one quality product will. I would try one first (probably a little Seafoam poured directly into warm combustion chambers), run it a couple days, and then go from there.

Something you're probably aware of but maybe not... You stated you want to free up the rings to get better compression. But, what you may end up doing is breaking up carbon deposits and other gunk that is "holding the motor together" .... and creating more problems than you started with.

Again... just my .02.

Good luck!

 

[1gcrazy]

As you can probably tell... you might not find the answers you are looking for here, as most people will probably agree that using all of them might not be the best solution.

I'm not familiar with all of those, but IMHO mixing several similar products usually tend to work against each other and not achieve the effect that one quality product will. I would try one first (probably a little Seafoam poured directly into warm combustion chambers), run it a couple days, and then go from there.

Something you're probably aware of but maybe not... You stated you want to free up the rings to get better compression. But, what you may end up doing is breaking up carbon deposits and other gunk that is "holding the motor together" .... and creating more problems than you started with.

Again... just my .02.

Good luck!

Jesus christ! Where the hell do you get off?

That was the best post yet. Well maybe not the best but it was equally as good.
Anyways, yea I get what you're saying how they may cancel each other out. I'm trying to bombard the motor with these liquids. Kind of like when you seat a new set of rings you need to run the shit out of it. I'm HOPING, with some luck, the carbon will tell the rings where to shove it....literally. hah! I've never used this stuff before but from what i've read there have been a few instances where compression has actually increased.

Anyways, I put the 44k in with about a half of a tank and i drove that off and put another half tank in. My dad says that stuff works miracles... I just ran the Seafoam through it and its sitting. I'm debating on whether I want to put the seafoam in each of the cylinders now while its warm and wait until tomorrow and let that all soak. Or, warm it back up tomorrow smoke and all and THEN add more seafoam to each cylinder and let that sit probably over night.

I've got a second can I plan to use. I'm not sure where. I think i'm going to check compression again before I put it in.

Anyways, people may be thinking that i'm overdoing it but shit its worth a try since it needs a rebuild anyways right? What am I out...30 bucks? Maybe, 40 assuming the 44k is like 20.

 

[kenamond]

Jesus christ! Where the hell do you get off?

That was the best post yet. Well maybe not the best but it was equally as good.
Anyways, yea I get what you're saying how they may cancel each other out. I'm trying to bombard the motor with these liquids. Kind of like when you seat a new set of rings you need to run the shit out of it. I'm HOPING, with some luck, the carbon will tell the rings where to shove it....literally. hah! I've never used this stuff before but from what i've read there have been a few instances where compression has actually increased.

Anyways, I put the 44k in with about a half of a tank and i drove that off and put another half tank in. My dad says that stuff works miracles... I just ran the Seafoam through it and its sitting. I'm debating on whether I want to put the seafoam in each of the cylinders now while its warm and wait until tomorrow and let that all soak. Or, warm it back up tomorrow smoke and all and THEN add more seafoam to each cylinder and let that sit probably over night.

I've got a second can I plan to use. I'm not sure where. I think i'm going to check compression again before I put it in.

Anyways, people may be thinking that i'm overdoing it but shit its worth a try since it needs a rebuild anyways right? What am I out...30 bucks? Maybe, 40 assuming the 44k is like 20.

Make sure you suck the seafoam out of the cylinders before you put the plugs in and turn it over. If it didn't leak past the rings, you could hydrolock your motor.

Also, if you have a lot of carbon buildup on the crowns, and you clean if off, your compression will drop.

Another solution is to add water injection

 

[92awddsm]

Im sure I am too late but add the 44k to the oil and seafoam to the gas and drive 30 miles. Now, run the other can of seafoam through the intake and run till the smoke clears. Now, drain the oil, refill and add the kw in the process. Drive another 100 miles and change the oil again. If you need more than that, you will need to rebuild the engine to fix the problems you have caused. Those additives do well for cleaning but they are not great for bearing life so use at your own risk. I have used all that I mentioned for the same purpose but not all at the same time. IMHO, i would not use anything at all except a fuel additive unless compression is low and this would only be a bandaid, not a fix.

 

[dsmspike]

I use the BG products all the time as my dealership that I work at uses all thier stuff from the stuff you have to the induction system cleaner and the tranny flush stuff. BG also makes an oil flush treatment that you put in your oil before you change it and run the car for about 15-20 min. and then change the oil. If you use the MOA from them then I would go get some of the flush and do that before you use it. It works pretty good. I've used it on both of my dsm's and a ton of GM's with ticky lifters and the flush quiets it up nicely. The MOA works pretty decently I would suppose. It's almost thicker than 90 weight gear oil though. Never had any complaints about the 44K stuff either. But again if you're going to use that you might as well do the induction system clean too. There's a pressurized air can with a nozzle that you stick in the intake pipe and route it through the t/b. It works very well for cleaning carbon out from around the t/b so I would assume that it does the same for the rest of the intake and combustion chamber. Really BG even suggests to do the induction system cleaner before using the 44K too. The 44K is just a maintenence thing just as the induction system cleaner is but the induction stuff will get the everything clean as the 44K just cleans the injectors and fuel system and gets some of the carbon out of the chamber. It's really designed to be used in between the induction services. If you want to get everything cleaned out real good then just go with the oil flush from BG and the induction system cleaner. Save the 44K for 6000 miles later and use the MOA after you use the oil flush. I would definately reccomend the BG products as I've seen the things that it can do. I've seen t/b's so caked up with carbonm that the blade sticks real tight in the bore and you end up spinning the tires just to get movuing come out very very clean using the induction system cleaner. With the oil flush like I said earlier I've used it on every vehicle I own and a ton of GM cars with ticky lifters and afyter using the flush it is gone. Really cleans sludge inside of engine very well. I've seen auto trannys come in for tranny flushes and whe I go to do it looking through the flow meter window of the machine the ATF looks black as hell and when it's done with the flush after running the cleaner through it it looks like it's brand new. I can't say anything for the other products you're asking about though. But I would swear by the BG products. This is coming from an ASE certified mechanic and also 100% GM certified in all feilds but auto trans. Not trying to toot my own horn or anything but I'm not just talking out my ass here.