1G SAFC Neo plug and play harness?

[teampruven01]

Where can i get a plug and play harness for a SAFC Neo? Boomslang doesn't seem to show that they make one or is anyone selling a whole setup with one?

 

[92AWDHX40]

Gotta check ebay, and classifieds.

 

[4Lurker4]

Boomslang definitely makes one since I bought one a while back from them. Granted I have a 2g but you can ask for custom work; it will cost you quite a bit though. You'll be VERY lucky to find a used one (specially a 1g harness).

Depending on the condition of your ecu wires (could have been hacked before for an SAFC) I'd just splice it in there.

 

[teampruven01]

Boomslang definitely makes one since I bought one a while back from them. Granted I have a 2g but you can ask for custom work; it will cost you quite a bit though. You'll be VERY lucky to find a used one (specially a 1g harness).

Depending on the condition of your ecu wires (could have been hacked before for an SAFC) I'd just splice it in there.

I just got off the phone with boomslang and they said they cannot make harnesses for 1g's period.. so maybe they did when you ordered one.. but they do not now

 

[4Lurker4]

I just got off the phone with boomslang and they said they cannot make harnesses for 1g's period.. so maybe they did when you ordered one.. but they do not now

Well that leaves only one option then, splice them in there. I'd take a look at your ecu wires now if I were you. I thought mine had been in perfect health until I checked and saw the mess the previous owner had left me with. That way you can clean up the electricals and splice at the same time.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/246467-how-identify-ecu-pin-numbers.html
1G ECU Pinouts

1G, pins needed for SAFC

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This should help you out.

Lastly, make sure the Neo you have has the right firmware on it; some did not, and don't read the Karman signal (a signal DSM's use) which can cause engine failure. Can be fixed, but you'll need to send it back to Apexi-USA for a retrofit.
See http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213633&page=2 post #17.

Should be higher than 1.020 (which can be checked when power and ground are connected, check the settings and version # on the Neo when you turn it on).

 

[teampruven01]

Well that leaves only one option then, splice them in there. I'd take a look at your ecu wires now if I were you. I thought mine had been in perfect health until I checked and saw the mess the previous owner had left me with. That way you can clean up the electricals and splice at the same time.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/246467-how-identify-ecu-pin-numbers.html
1G ECU Pinouts

1G, pins needed for SAFC

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This should help you out.

Lastly, make sure the Neo you have has the right firmware on it; some did not, and don't read the Karman signal (a signal DSM's use) which can cause engine failure. Can be fixed, but you'll need to send it back to Apexi-USA for a retrofit.
See Help tuning with a Apexi Neo - Page 2 - DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com post #17.

Should be higher than 1.020 (which can be checked when power and ground are connected, check the settings and version # on the Neo when you turn it on).

that is interesting however foreign language to me.. i'm not new to dsm's but i never built one like this before either.. i'm gonna have someone put this in for me..i did not order it yet.. ordering tomorrow when i get paid.. how do i know what version it is before i buy?

 

[bryanwheat]

For the price you could probably just get a used version of dsmlink v2 and an eprom ecu. I would even recommend the safc 1 or 2 over the neo just because the 300 dollars that they want for them is ridiculous for what you get.

 

[4Lurker4]

^^ I'd agree with bryanwheat, if you haven't ordered one yet either go DSMlink or older versions of SAFC (which can be had in the 100$ range used). They (SAFC I and II) will do the same thing, albeit less correction points. DSMlink is something you might want to read up on doing a search, it's a tuning platform that's way more developed than SAFCs but will also take a larger learning curve if you still haven't understood SAFCs yet.

Example of a used one http://www.dsmtuners.com/classified...le-36574/?catid=searchresults&searchid=230654 (this is version I)

To get you started on SAFC what it is and how it works
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/105569-how-safc-works.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/366004-safc-tuning-how-why.html

Complete install on a 1g
http://www.plymouthlaser.com/safc.htm

You have a lot more to read up on if you go the DSMlink way

 

[teampruven01]

^^ I'd agree with bryanwheat, if you haven't ordered one yet either go DSMlink or older versions of SAFC (which can be had in the 100$ range used). They (SAFC I and II) will do the same thing, albeit less correction points. DSMlink is something you might want to read up on doing a search, it's a tuning platform that's way more developed than SAFCs but will also take a larger learning curve if you still haven't understood SAFCs yet.

i just got off the phone with apexi.. the kid knew his shit on the versions.. he also said safc II might be something to consider because you never know what version your going to get off ebay.. so i think i'll just go that route.. i'm only planning on tuning to 15psi.. nothin too crazy i'm still runnin stock injectors.. i got denso 610's but i'm not gonna put them in i don't think. so safcII it is.. i don't want to get into learning dsm link.. looks too hard

 

[bryanwheat]

You don't need an safc if you aren't running larger injectors. The stock ecu will control those stock injectors just fine.

 

[teampruven01]

You don't need an safc if you aren't running larger injectors. The stock ecu will control those stock injectors just fine.[/QUOTE


yea but i just did whole top end and arp studs strickly to run more boost. i gotta tune with something.. i do have the 610 injectors i will be putting them in.i just don't have pintle caps for them... gotta buy those first.

 

[92AWDHX40]

I ran my evos with cracked pintles, car ran fine for years. wouldnt worru too much.

 

[teampruven01]

I ran my evos with cracked pintles, car ran fine for years. wouldnt worru too much.

yea but these injectors don't have them at all kid didn't have them... and i havent tried putting them in but i'd imagine my stock pintles arent going to fit.
and let me ask you this... if my wideband says i'm running rich then how do i change it without safc? even with stock injectors?

 

[bryanwheat]

You don't have to tune the car to turn the boost up with stock injectors. The ecu is already tuned to keep the same a/f ratio at the higher airflow levels. The timing is something that you need to worry about which is NOT adjustable with the safc. You are also not going to like the knock that you are going to get when you tune those 650's with an safc and aggressive 1g timing.

 

[92AWDHX40]

I would look at some tuning devices, link and run any kind of injectors you want plus its a awesome tuning device, looking at some 1000cc this spring for my new build, can run link with any size. buddy has a safc in his spyder, its has done its job for a while but he needs more options.

 

[teampruven01]

You don't have to tune the car to turn the boost up with stock injectors. The ecu is already tuned to keep the same a/f ratio at the higher airflow levels. The timing is something that you need to worry about which is NOT adjustable with the safc. You are also not going to like the knock that you are going to get when you tune those 650's with an safc and aggressive 1g timing.

guess this is why i'm in the newb forum.. but then the "translator" that was on it when i bought it.. is the computer compensating for that change also?

 

[bryanwheat]

For the most part the translator is for translating the signal from the gm maf, it also will do some compensation, but only has idle, low rpm and high rpm points so it is very limited.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Got mine cheap so the maft was ok but couldnt do much for me.

 

[teampruven01]

For the most part the translator is for translating the signal from the gm maf, it also will do some compensation, but only has idle, low rpm and high rpm points so it is very limited.

i don't have a logger... so i dunno about knock.. but with small 16g. arp studs fresh head. stock injectors.. i'm thinkin about 15psi is the max i can go right now correct? my buddy told me my injectors are problable well over 100%duty cycle right now. so whats safe whats not safe?

 

[92AWDHX40]

650s sound good for that turbo, do you have a wideband?

 

[teampruven01]

650s sound good for that turbo, do you have a wideband?

nope.. have a plugged bung for one.. i ordered it today.. and i got denso 610's not 650's.. see my buddy told me to get an safc next.. and if you guys are sayin i don't need one yet... then i guess whats my next step.. i wanna be like 18-20 ps safely. i'm thinkin 'intake, front mount' if i don't really "NEED" an safc yet

 

[92AWDHX40]

Im thinking wideband before fmic, i got a fmic then a wideband it took time for everything but im happy with all my mods, and link, my new turbo, fp manifold, and fp intake so i have a lot except for more fuel.

Tsi shopping.

 

[teampruven01]

Im thinking wideband before fmic, i got a fmic then a wideband it took time for everything but im happy with all my mods, and link, my new turbo, fp manifold, and fp intake so i have a lot except for more fuel.

Tsi shopping.

well like i said i already ordered the wideband...so what next..for runnin 20psi

 

[92AWDHX40]

Well a way to tune your fuel, pick one you like.

 

[teampruven01]

Well a way to tune your fuel, pick one you like.

well like bryanwheat said.. i really don't need an safc.. til i change out the injectors..then turn up the boost. but anything higher than 15psi on a small 16g my 450's are about maxed out i'm sure.. my buddy jessie. was runnin his 450's at 132%. i don't want that. i don't want to hurt or break anything.