Please help with Cyclone

[silverbulletAWD]

Yup, I can't keep up with this thread. It seems I'm in a race with a major DSM shop for a new development. Hmm, wonder who's got the advantage? Oh well, as long as I'm running with them I'll be happy.

 

[98spyderboost]

OK can a Cyclone flow to 400-500 whp?

 

[na90dsm]

nah dude just a thread. your porting looks good dude. i gove you props, looks nice and smooth hes just pointing out a few strong point of the basics of head porting.

now lemme ask you gurus this


now there runnign a 2g head (obviously a 7-bolt) on a 6-bolt block. how? i knwo the head studs are different sizes acording to arp hardware. now if you change the head studs are the decks any different. i have a immaculate 7-botl here id use if it can be mated to a 6-bolt head.

 

[Stapl3]

OK can a Cyclone flow to 400-500 whp?

Manifolds are not rated by hp.

I already said that a Cyclone flows the exact same as a stock 1g manifold. Stock 1g manifolds have gone that hp many many times.

Cyclone is great for people who do daily driving with large turbos, or autox. Otherwise, it will do absolutely nothing for you.

 

[98spyderboost]

What a bunch of crap. Im unsubscribing from my own thread Thanks to those who gave intelegent input.

Not referring to the previous post. Just sayin.


As far as the HP thing I think you know what I mean. I want it to be able to support that much in the end.

 

[Stapl3]

As far as the HP thing I think you know what I mean. I want it to be able to support that much in the end.

No, I don't.

If you're shooting for 4-500 hp like everyone else on to0nerz, then I'll suggest not bothering with a cyclone manifold. A 4-500hp 4g63 is pretty much setup for drag, and I see a cyclone manifold doing nothing for you there.

 

[na90dsm]

hes right there rated for cfm flow not hp.

and if needed i can post numbers that shows they flow the same.

 

[98spyderboost]

OK OK we'll say 350 not including NOS

 

[98spyderboost]

hes right there rated for cfm flow not hp.

and if needed i can post numbers that shows they flow the same.

And you misunderstood me.. I meant I know that but I'm talking about end result.

Sense ppl are paying attention to me now I shall explain......

350whp capable of a 50+ shot of N20
i want 7 grand shifts
I want a OEM tuner look and feel.
I want lower end torque

What would you suggest in this parts area?

 

[DSMJim]

nah dude just a thread. your porting looks good dude. i gove you props, looks nice and smooth hes just pointing out a few strong point of the basics of head porting.

now lemme ask you gurus this


now there runnign a 2g head (obviously a 7-bolt) on a 6-bolt block. how? i knwo the head studs are different sizes acording to arp hardware. now if you change the head studs are the decks any different. i have a immaculate 7-botl here id use if it can be mated to a 6-bolt head.

1G head uses 12mm head bolts, a 2G uses 11mm head bolts. The heads are identical other then that (as far as mounting goes obviously) and are both lined up properly with dowels at both ends of the block. The bolts do not line up the head.

All you need to do is drill out the head stud passages to 12mm to have the 2g head fit a 1g block. You can quite literally do this with a hand drill because the dowels line it up. A drill press would be better but it doens't really make that much difference. The hole is only being expanded 1mm overall so the drill bit will not wander so really a hand drill is fine.

 

[na90dsm]

i have a 1g 7-bolt head off a 92 tsi. i posted a thread abotu it here. its got some pits but i think they can be machined out. there very slght. but yea its a 1g 7-botl head. shoulda specified.

heads clean too.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157334

 

[na90dsm]

And you misunderstood me.. I meant I know that but I'm talking about end result.

Sense ppl are paying attention to me now I shall explain......

350whp capable of a 50+ shot of N20
i want 7 grand shifts
I want a OEM tuner look and feel.
I want lower end torque

What would you suggest in this parts area?

could do this with stock intake mani, cams, stock bottom end,272 cams,and ill say a 50 trim. 2g exhaust mani also, itll look very close to stock and should put that power down.

 

[98spyderboost]

could do this with stock intake mani, cams, stock bottom end,272 cams,and ill say a 50 trim. 2g exhaust mani also, itll look very close to stock and should put that power down.

THANK YOU GUYS! Thats what im looking for. Im getting a JDM valve cover. Thats really why I want to get the Cyclone. But I want to make sure I'm not getting something I cant make work with everything else.

BTW AWD on hold. Bun in the oven

 

[na90dsm]

yea dude even a 20g will make that power. figure 350whp is abotu 450crank i beleive. somewhere abouts. a 20g will definately ma=ke that power on pump gas with good tuning. its been done before i beleive. havent looked to much at 20g's. a 50 trim will definately do it.

evo16g may get you to 300whp. and evo is readily avaliable and cheap

 

[97TSIAWD]

yea dude even a 20g will make that power. figure 350whp is abotu 450crank i beleive. somewhere abouts. a 20g will definately ma=ke that power on pump gas with good tuning. its been done before i beleive. havent looked to much at 20g's. a 50 trim will definately do it.

evo16g may get you to 300whp. and evo is readily avaliable and cheap

It's more around 437 crank but close enough. Also it's pretty hard to get 20g and 50 trim turbos to hit that with 93 octane few have done it and if your advice to keep stock cams/intake/exhaust mani is taken then there is little chance. Look at the 50 trim hitting 500+ hp (targa top, I think Drew is his name) with pump gas and look at his upgrade path and dyno sheets to see what he had to do to get there (forget his website). That goal is easier done with leaded race gas in any case. Also what are you 1/4 mile goals? Many on the 50 trims are barely breaking into the 12's and it is ridculous, at the shootout I had more people tell me how my small 16g was running with the 50 trims. For the best advice look at proven combinations and go from there, if you go on your own you will find you need to change combinations several times to find the best.

 

[na90dsm]

no i wasnt saying keep the stock cams i was saying swap the cams in for 272 cams, use stock intake manifold, 2g exhaust manifold, injectors, nice cleaned up head, fuel pump,safc, and a 50 trim


im goan shoot for 300whp on a fwd car with a evo16g. im gonan go for more if i hit it with a bigger turbo. im building the motor up now so soon hopeully

 

[Stapl3]

THANK YOU GUYS! Thats what im looking for. Im getting a JDM valve cover. Thats really why I want to get the Cyclone.

That is a great reason to get the Cyclone manifold. What better way to impress your locals in the car club parking lots and people on the internet.

Best of luck with your 4-500hp setup with NOS.

 

[97TSIAWD]

no i wasnt saying keep the stock cams i was saying swap the cams in for 272 cams, use stock intake manifold, 2g exhaust manifold, injectors, nice cleaned up head, fuel pump,safc, and a 50 trim


im goan shoot for 300whp on a fwd car with a evo16g. im gonan go for more if i hit it with a bigger turbo. im building the motor up now so soon hopeully

For that much to the crank and to flow that 50 trim your going to need a sheet metal intake manifold, probably a tubular exhaust manifold. Also forget your mas your going to need a vpc or something because your going to out flow the stock 2g in a hurry. Cams will help but not enough for that much hp. Also you never mentioned injectors which will probably have to be 660's, a nice fuel pump and a very good tune, how much that safc will help is questionable it might be more wise to go to dsmlink. Just with all that your talking about a lot of money, it isn't just as simple as strapping on a 50 trim and turning the boost up to get 450 crank hp unless you don't like your motor that much, then you could.

 

[silverbulletAWD]

For that much to the crank and to flow that 50 trim your going to need a sheet metal intake manifold, probably a tubular exhaust manifold. Also forget your mas your going to need a vpc or something because your going to out flow the stock 2g in a hurry. Cams will help but not enough for that much hp. Also you never mentioned injectors which will probably have to be 660's, a nice fuel pump and a very good tune, how much that safc will help is questionable it might be more wise to go to dsmlink. Just with all that your talking about a lot of money, it isn't just as simple as strapping on a 50 trim and turning the boost up to get 450 crank hp unless you don't like your motor that much, then you could.

So your saying it takes a SMIM, a tubular exh. mani. and something better than a S-AFC w/ a 2g MAS to make 300whp?

 

[na90dsm]

on pump gas ill back him up on that. but i have seen 300whp numbers from evo 3 16g turbos on here. depends on tuning and all.

i didnt get that far into the mods because i wasnt sure and was throwing out a few things. i didnt actually sit down and say what would make this power.

 

[97TSIAWD]

So your saying it takes a SMIM, a tubular exh. mani. and something better than a S-AFC w/ a 2g MAS to make 300whp?

No I am saying it will take that to produce 350 to the wheels which is about 437 at the crank. If you really are counting the 2g engine is rated to increase without big problems to about 425hp that is double factory. But in reality that is pushing it, it might even require a engine race build, at least if you don't want to break a lot of parts.

 

[mntalon_05]

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[lowridin2g]

I think lowridin2g needs a hug

*embraces*

 

[silverbulletAWD]

No I am saying it will take that to produce 350 to the wheels which is about 437 at the crank. If you really are counting the 2g engine is rated to increase without big problems to about 425hp that is double factory. But in reality that is pushing it, it might even require a engine race build, at least if you don't want to break a lot of parts.

I'm just not sure if I agree w/ that. I was running high 11's last fall w/ a race weight of 3120lbs. I've never dyno'd it so I can't say for sure but I think it was making around 370-400whp.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

Can some one help me? I have a cyclone intake manifold, but the guy I bought it from didn't know that it needed to have a vacuumed canister and the actuator cellenoid for the butterfly actuator. Dose anyone know of a sight that would sell something like that, like a JDM junk yard, or of something that would work instead?