2G Please help ASAP. motor messed up

[BlackRaptor]

Hey guys it's me again I've got a lot more info here and i'm hoping and praying someone has seen this problem before. I thought it was a head gasket but i don't think it is anymore. Here is a quick break down

Car as NO power what so ever. When you rev the motor it revs very slow the motor has a hard time revving up. almost like it's under a load. this is when it's in park It will rev all the way up just has a hard time.

I dropped the oil zero antifreeze in the oil. Oil was clean.
It is leaking antifreeze out the water pump but thats going to get fixed but wouldn't effect this problem

The car does not smoke at all.

It starts up normal and runs fine motor sounds smooth. it's when you give it gas.

One thing i'm fixing tomorrow is they had the BOV venting out into the air. which i know messes some things up. like when i rev it up lets say 1/2 gas and let off it kicks and the motor dies.

I took it for one drive around the block. it builds boost you can feel when it starts boosting but the motor has zero power it will rev all the way up while driving but the car willl not pull hard at all the motor is all revved up and it feels like it should be jerking forward but almost no exeloration.

I'm really confused because if it was a head gasket it wouldn't run that well would it? other then the slow rev.

Almost feels like if you had a bad clutch in a car and when it revs up and boosts it just slips and zero power is getting to the wheels. well enough to pull the car along but nothing more. it's an auto though and goes into D and R just fine. and if it was tranny whats up with that strange rev problem it not wanting to rev up quick.

The cams are loud the wine a little but i was told this motor is kinda loud.

Sorry this was so long i just tried to tell you everything i could think of.
I hope someone can help i am really confused.

Also me and a friend reset the timing just in case that was off that didn't help.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Everything hooked up checked everything it's so weird.

Man i have to admit this has me just sick. This car is draining me of every penny i have.

I just tried it again this morning fluid levels perfect pull it into gear it's dead.

motor runs great though haha
so now i can sit in the garage with the engine running how cool is that? haha

You put in the right AT fluid. Is there even different ones? How about the TCU?

 

[toojung2die]

You put in the right AT fluid. Is there even different ones? How about the TCU?

Are you getting any transmission codes at the ECU? If not you may have no power to the TCU or a bad TCU.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Where is the TCU? how do i see if it's bad? Also i'm using ATF +3 thats right isn't it?
I am getting check engine light when i turn on the ignition before i start the motor. think there could be a tranny code in there?

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Where is the TCU? how do i see if it's bad? Also i'm using ATF +3 thats right isn't it?
I am getting check engine light when i turn on the ignition before i start the motor. think there could be a tranny code in there?

Its under the console, where you elbow sits on it. I dont know what could have happend during the swap though.

 

[BlackRaptor]

I"m sure theres nothing wrong with it

Best i understand the tranny going into gear is mechanical the TCU is just for shifting.
But i'll have to look at it anyways.

Going to get a tester from autozone tonight and see what that check engine light is all about.

I'm very confused. unless the tranny was shot and changing fluids pushed it over the edge.

Still can't figure out how old nasty fluid kept it working and new fresh stuff killed it.
haha
ahhh the joys of auto tranny's

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

I"m sure theres nothing wrong with it

Best i understand the tranny going into gear is mechanical the TCU is just for shifting.
But i'll have to look at it anyways.

Going to get a tester from autozone tonight and see what that check engine light is all about.

I'm very confused. unless the tranny was shot and changing fluids pushed it over the edge.

Still can't figure out how old nasty fluid kept it working and new fresh stuff killed it.
haha
ahhh the joys of auto tranny's

I was going to say, I heard your not supposed to change AT fluid, but I dont know how true that really is. If you going to buy something to pull the code...you might as well get a logger. That was you will have a bunch of different uses for it.

 

[BlackRaptor]

The seal on the pan was shot so i was kinda forced to change it.
Guess i didn't give it a 2nd thought i've changed AT fluid in my trucks many times.
no problems.
but those trucks where 02 or newer.

I wonder if the codes don't turn anything up if there is anything i can add to my tranny fluid as a last ditch effort

I'm going to stand my afternoon reading everything i can find on auto trannies.
if i find anything i'll post it.

 

[BlackRaptor]

This is kinda dumb but might be worth saying.

The kid who had this car used that RTV *blue* make a gasket and used too much so it Gooed into the inside of the pan and there where pieces of it floating around inside of there.
could that crap clog the pump?
I was thinking about unplugging the tranny cooler lines and use compressed air tonight to force all the fluid out of the tranny and see if any crap gets losend up by doing this.
Unless someone in the forums thinks this is a waste of time

But if the pump of really clogged that would cause it to not go into gear of kick out at high RMP i would think.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Here's one for you.
Got the car moving last night. haha.
I can't drive it long range without a tank of air. sounds funny i know

Here is what i did.
I was thinking to my self I wonder if some of the RTV crap has clogged up the pump in the tranny so i pulled a tranny cooler line to find nothing what so ever was flowing even when i had it in drive. mind you when i put it into D it was like it was in N.

Well i used my air compressor and blew the tranny cooler out and got some crap then i blew the inlet and outlet tranny lines going to the tranny got lots of milky colored fluid even after two fluid changes.
After doing this i started the car put it in gear still nothing no fluid pumping so then i thought i wonder what would happen if i blew down the tranny dip stick hole.

So i did that and it sprayed fluid all over the place out of the cooler lines.

So then i put it back into D again with the tranny cooler still unplugged and still nothing so i used the air gun and blew air down the dip stick hole again soon as i did this it went right into gear. and stayed there for a bit and was pumping fluid.
I used some of that auto tranny valve seal stuff and after warming the tranny up good was able to drive it around a little but if i stomped on it really hard timesomes it would fall back into N. But when it was it drive it hooked up good i got a little wheel churp so i'm comfused whats going on because when the tranny is engaged it sticks.
Oh also if i leave the motor running i can put it into park walk away come back and it goes into gear. if i shit it off i have to use air to get it to work again.

D it poped right in R is kinda sluggish.

Does a tranny have a pump in there that pushes fluid around?

 

[toojung2die]

Milky colored fluid tells me there's water in the fluid. Are your trans cooler lines connected to the bottom of the radiator? You might be mixing with water in the radiator trans cooler because of a leak in there.

Yes, there's a pump in the transmission. You could do a trans fluid flush. You need about 12-14 Qts of ATF. Your trans pan filter is probably pretty nasty by now so clean it first. Unhook the trans cooler line that pumps fluid to the cooler. Extend the hose that pumps out of the trans to a five gallon container and cap the return. Run the engine in neutral and the trans fluid will pump out into the container. Replace the fluid as it's pumped out through the dipstick. Stop when the fluid runs clean and clear. It takes a lot of fluid to do this but there's a lot fluid in the trans and and torque convertor and this gets it all out. Clean the trans filter again when you're done.

 

[BlackRaptor]

You think thats going to fix the problem with it not pumping anything right now.

And why do i have to use an air gun to get the transmission to go into gear?

Which one of the two lines is the one the pumps to the cooler? the lower line or the upper line. So i know which one to cap off.

Think of pump is clogged and thats why it's not pumping anything?

I'll check all the lines make sure nothing is lose and causing water to get into the tranny.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Does the pump work off of the rotation of the motor or an electrical connection?

 

[BlackRaptor]

Thats also what i'm wondering Matt if it's an eletric pump of motor driven.
I've been looking online for an hour now trying to find a breakdown of this tranny with zero luck.
But if the pump isn't pumping that makes sense to why i have to use air pressure to get it working.
If anyone has a break down or know where this pump is or how it's powered please speak up.

 

[BlackRaptor]

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-70805.html

Sounds like other people have had these pumps go out and then it won't go into gear or falls out of gear for them.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Updates
Buddy talked to a tranny mechanic and he said if you have to use air to get it to go into gear the filter isn't sealing right or there is a bad O-ring up in there.
because like i said before the tranny does not slip.

If this is the fix i'll end this theard with a nice write up on how i fixed it for anyone else that ends up with this problem.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Awsome, Let me know how it goes and get that tiny turbo spoolin Let us know.

 

[toojung2die]

You think thats going to fix the problem with it not pumping anything right now.

And why do i have to use an air gun to get the transmission to go into gear?

Think of pump is clogged and thats why it's not pumping anything?

I'll check all the lines make sure nothing is lose and causing water to get into the tranny.

I was thinking that something loose is blocking the fluid from getting picked up and the air pressure is temporarily dislodging it. The trans mechanic could be right but either way you'll need to drop the pan to see. If the fluid is milky you'll want to replace it.

Which one of the two lines is the one the pumps to the cooler? the lower line or the upper line. So i know which one to cap off.

I knew you would ask me that I flushed my fluid last summer and I can't remember how I figured that out but my memory tells me it's the hose that connects to the top of the trans closest to the firewall which should be the lower one as you describe it. Either hose will work, fluid will get pumped out of one end of either hose you disconnect

The pump is mechanical and runs in Neutral not in Park so if you get someone to help you you can use the shift lever as an on/off switch for the pump. Put it in Neutral to pump out fluid and put it in Park to top off the fluid level. Engine running, of course.

 

[BlackRaptor]

THanks guys.

Tiny turbo you say matt? haha It's not the size of the turbo it's the amount of thrust it's got. haha

One thing i like about my *tiny* turbo as you call it is the thing has like zero lag to it i'm amazed out quick i get high boost. by 2500 my wheels are spinning.

Friday i'm doing more work on it taking off tonight and tomorrow night for the fair need a break from that dang car.

I also noticed my speedo isn't working. is this a cable or eletric? need to get this working so i don't end up speeding cops are not very nice to imports in my area too many civics trying to street race so if you drive an import they watch you like a halk.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

THanks guys.

Tiny turbo you say matt? haha It's not the size of the turbo it's the amount of thrust it's got. haha

One think i like about my *tiny* turbo as you call it is the thing has like zero lag to it i'm amazed out quick i get high boost. by 2500 my wheels are spinning.

Friday i'm doing more work on it taking off tonight and tomorrow night for the fair need a break from that dang car.

I also noticed my speedo isn't working. is this a cable or eletric? need to get this working so i don't end up speeding cops are not very nice to imports in my area too many civics trying to street race so if you drive an import they watch you like a halk.

haha I was just messing around. Thats why in alittle weary to lose the 14B for my new turbo. I get full spool by 2800 and I like it. I belive that the speed sensor is electric....a plug on the tranny some where.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Just call me *tiny turbo*

Ahhh dangit i was worried you where going to say the speedo was eletric.
I'll have to hunt around the tranny and see if i can find it. i hope it's simple and i don't need to buy anything.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Just call me *tiny turbo*

Ahhh dangit i was worried you where going to say the speedo was eletric.
I'll have to hunt around the tranny and see if i can find it. i hope it's simple and i don't need to buy anything.

Im gonna say if it worked before the swap, its simple. Grab a chiltons manual.

 

[toojung2die]

Ahhh dangit i was worried you where going to say the speedo was eletric. I'll have to hunt around the tranny and see if i can find it. i hope it's simple and i don't need to buy anything.

This should help.