2G Please help ASAP. motor messed up

[BlackRaptor]

Hey guys it's me again I've got a lot more info here and i'm hoping and praying someone has seen this problem before. I thought it was a head gasket but i don't think it is anymore. Here is a quick break down

Car as NO power what so ever. When you rev the motor it revs very slow the motor has a hard time revving up. almost like it's under a load. this is when it's in park It will rev all the way up just has a hard time.

I dropped the oil zero antifreeze in the oil. Oil was clean.
It is leaking antifreeze out the water pump but thats going to get fixed but wouldn't effect this problem

The car does not smoke at all.

It starts up normal and runs fine motor sounds smooth. it's when you give it gas.

One thing i'm fixing tomorrow is they had the BOV venting out into the air. which i know messes some things up. like when i rev it up lets say 1/2 gas and let off it kicks and the motor dies.

I took it for one drive around the block. it builds boost you can feel when it starts boosting but the motor has zero power it will rev all the way up while driving but the car willl not pull hard at all the motor is all revved up and it feels like it should be jerking forward but almost no exeloration.

I'm really confused because if it was a head gasket it wouldn't run that well would it? other then the slow rev.

Almost feels like if you had a bad clutch in a car and when it revs up and boosts it just slips and zero power is getting to the wheels. well enough to pull the car along but nothing more. it's an auto though and goes into D and R just fine. and if it was tranny whats up with that strange rev problem it not wanting to rev up quick.

The cams are loud the wine a little but i was told this motor is kinda loud.

Sorry this was so long i just tried to tell you everything i could think of.
I hope someone can help i am really confused.

Also me and a friend reset the timing just in case that was off that didn't help.

 

[BlackRaptor]

This nightmare is almost finished.
I"m running out of things to swap from old motor.

I have a plug i have no idea where it goes hopefully one of you can help me. I have a pic posted below of it as well as a couple motor shots and the turbo with it's weird up pipe.

There was a little oil in the motor when i got it and the turbo doesn't feel sticky at all should i pour oil into the turbos oil inlet to prime it? i/m going to fill the oil filter with oil then put it on so it's got a little shot of oil to push around.
But i was wondering about the turbo, then i took the return oil feed off it dripped oil so there is a little but of something for lube in there but not much.

thanks

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

This nightmare is almost finished.
I"m running out of things to swap from old motor.

I have a plug i have no idea where it goes hopefully one of you can help me. I have a pic posted below of it as well as a couple motor shots and the turbo with it's weird up pipe.

There was a little oil in the motor when i got it and the turbo doesn't feel sticky at all should i pour oil into the turbos oil inlet to prime it? i/m going to fill the oil filter with oil then put it on so it's got a little shot of oil to push around.
But i was wondering about the turbo, then i took the return oil feed off it dripped oil so there is a little but of something for lube in there but not much.

thanks

See if that plug goes on the tranny some where and also that looks like an evo VIII j pipe. Why don tyou get a shot of the compressor wheel, just to see if you didnt get a better turbo than the 14B. Nice motor mounts.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Yah those motor mounts are nice. some really nice guy told me to pick a set up and i'm sure glad i did. ha ha

I'll take some pics of the turbo it's self tonight. The turbo looks bran new. new shaft play what so ever it's like bran new tight.

Hey Matt what about oil in the turbo should i prime it or the oil pump gets oil into the turbo pretty quick?

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Yah those motor mounts are nice. some really nice guy told me to pick a set up and i'm sure glad i did. ha ha

I'll take some pics of the turbo it's self tonight. The turbo looks bran new. new shaft play what so ever it's like bran new tight.

Hey Matt what about oil in the turbo should i prime it or the oil pump gets oil into the turbo pretty quick?

Ha ha yea, I hope you got like a B16G or something, that would be sweet. As for priming. Pull the plug wires from the coil pack and crank the car over a few times, just get get some oil moving and alittle bit of pressure. The hook em back up and start it. Dont forget coolant and oil and double checkk everything. GOodluck and let us know !

 

[BlackRaptor]

dang thats a good idea i didn't even think of doing that ot prime it.
I've got all of tomorrow off 2 more hours of work on the car then i'm going to spend an hour and look it over with a fine tooth comb.
Last thing i need now is any more suprises haha

Also theres a kink in the oul return line it's not bad but it's bad enough where i need to replace it because it does cause me problems. hopefully once you see the turbo you can help me find a oul return line.
The one off the other turbo does not fit.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

dang thats a good idea i didn't even think of doing that ot prime it.
I've got all of tomorrow off 2 more hours of work on the car then i'm going to spend an hour and look it over with a fine tooth comb.
Last thing i need now is any more suprises haha

Also theres a kink in the oul return line it's not bad but it's bad enough where i need to replace it because it does cause me problems. hopefully once you see the turbo you can help me find a oul return line.
The one off the other turbo does not fit.

Well I believe its surly a TDO5 which means you can modifly your T-25 oil return to work. The flange that bolts to the turbo is slightly different and you have to dremmle the holes closer together I think it is. Take the kinked return line from your new turbo and put the turbo end up to the T-25 turbo's return line and those holes have to match...so which ever way then need to go you have to dremmle it out.

Heres a pic, it might be the other way around...but you will get the idea...you will have to make the t-25 holes closer together.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Ahhhh Dang guess that means i just got a 14B and not the better turbo if thats what TDO5 means. haha oh well least this one isn't shot haha.
That picture helped a lot thanks.

Hey when your putting plug wires on which one is number one?

So if i'm standing like it the pics above in front of the car looking at it is the right or left cylinder number one?

Thanks.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Ahhhh Dang guess that means i just got a 14B and not the better turbo if thats what TDO5 means. haha oh well least this one isn't shot haha.
That picture helped a lot thanks.

Hey when your putting plug wires on which one is number one?

So if i'm standing like it the pics above in front of the car looking at it is the right or left cylinder number one?

Thanks.

No Np the TDO5 can be alot of turbos for example...14B, EVOIII 16G and all inbetween. Theres an 18g and a 20G

I have to double check the cylinder order, I think its 4123, but that might be at the coil pack.

 

[BlackRaptor]

I'll snap a pic and post it tomorrow morning when i get to work. guessing the numbers on the side tell all.
Maybe i'll still be lucky.
Very excited for tomorrow afternoon, it's going to be the first drive with the new motor.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

I'll snap a pic and post it tomorrow morning when i get to work. guessing the numbers on the side tell all.
Maybe i'll still be lucky.
Very excited for tomorrow afternoon, it's going to be the first drive with the new motor.

Yep, take it easy untill its all working smoothly Goodluck, Im going to grab some food

 

[BlackRaptor]

Food does sound good.. Hmmmm. Chinese me thinks.

Matt can you tell me if i have this right

Then looking at the car like in the pics above the right cylinder is number one the left one is number four.

 

[BlackRaptor]

On the turbo it says

td04hl

googled

looks like a TD04HL-15G turbo

also looks like it's got a 8psi wastegate thats low glad i have a MBC

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

On the turbo it says

td04hl

googled

looks like a TD04HL-15G turbo

also looks like it's got a 8psi wastegate thats low glad i have a MBC

I swear the tdo4 is the 13g from the automatics. Its a bit smaller but it if works for now then sure, use it

 

[BlackRaptor]

Not thrilled about it being that tiny but i do have a much larger turbo to put on once i find a down pipe for it.
Also I"ve been looking around are there places that sell rebuild kits for turbos? was thinking about rebuilding my other turbo for a backup.

 

[toojung2die]

Not thrilled about it being that tiny but i do have a much larger turbo to put on once i find a down pipe for it.
Also I"ve been looking around are there places that sell rebuild kits for turbos? was thinking about rebuilding my other turbo for a backup.

I've seen rebuild kits for turbos but the problem with rebuilding the CHRA yourself is you can't rebalance the wheels. The tiniest imbalance and your rebuild will be ruined. You can buy a rebuilt CHRA and then you reuse your turbine and compressor housings.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Oh okay in that case know of anyone who rebuilds them for a fare price?

 

[BlackRaptor]

Oh also please tell me this turbo can least boost 12 psi.
Going to stink if i cant even hit stock GST boost and HP with it.

 

[toojung2die]

Oh okay in that case know of anyone who rebuilds them for a fare price?

Forced Performance does it for $345. I'd say that is fair because I bought a rebuilt CHRA for a Volvo turbo from Checker Auto Parts once and it cost $350.

 

[BlackRaptor]

for that cost though i could almost upgrade to a T28 thats used in good shape.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

You could pick up a 14B for like 100 bucks and make some nice power there. I love my 14B. You could rebuild it yourself and then send it to get balanced, but after the kit, shipping and the other stuff it might be about the same and alittle easier to have FP do it.

 

[BlackRaptor]

Well motor runs great. tranny is acting wierd now. grrr
but i posted that in the auto tranny forum not here because this isnt for trannies.

this car is going to be the death of me

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Well motor runs great. tranny is acting wierd now. grrr
but i posted that in the auto tranny forum not here because this isnt for trannies.

this car is going to be the death of me

Whats it doing?

 

[BlackRaptor]

Wont go into gear totally dead.
Changed the fluid new filter. doesn't jump make any sound at all. feels like it's not even hooked to a tranny.

here is a little break down of what it's doing.
This is from my tranny post in that forum

Got my JDM motor in and it's running awesome. little problems with the motor but those are all cleared up. okay i drained the tranny. let it drip for oh 25 minutes while i did some other things. then i put 4 qt in started it put in another did this till i got in tghe 7qt it called for. because i had all the cooler lines off everything was empty.

Well i put the car back on it's tires very excited but it into R NOTHING not a click clunk it's like i didn't even put it into gear i play around with it I put it into P then rev it to 3 k while it's revving down i put it into R and revved to 2k it goes in smooth doesn't clunk like you would think it would for the motor being at a higher rpm

Well once it's in gear i drive it a littlee it works. put it into R D 2 and L everything works. okay here is where it gets wierd. I stomp on it pulled hard soon as i let off the gas nothing no tranny again. slipped it into all gears nothing what so ever.

I play around with it get it back into gear doing the rev thing above.
I drive it back to the house i break stand on it when in drive it tries really hard to over power the breaks i didn't feel much slip so the TC feels strong.
please tell me this is something stupid.

Why when i give it lots of power it loses the tranny again?


But now that everything is cleaned and changed out new fluid filter the works i can't even get it to go into gear revving it. i think it's gotta be dead.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Wont go into gear totally dead.
Changed the fluid new filter. doesn't jump make any sound at all. feels like it's not even hooked to a tranny.

here is a little break down of what it's doing.
This is from my tranny post in that forum

Got my JDM motor in and it's running awesome. little problems with the motor but those are all cleared up. okay i drained the tranny. let it drip for oh 25 minutes while i did some other things. then i put 4 qt in started it put in another did this till i got in tghe 7qt it called for. because i had all the cooler lines off everything was empty.

Well i put the car back on it's tires very excited but it into R NOTHING not a click clunk it's like i didn't even put it into gear i play around with it I put it into P then rev it to 3 k while it's revving down i put it into R and revved to 2k it goes in smooth doesn't clunk like you would think it would for the motor being at a higher rpm

Well once it's in gear i drive it a littlee it works. put it into R D 2 and L everything works. okay here is where it gets wierd. I stomp on it pulled hard soon as i let off the gas nothing no tranny again. slipped it into all gears nothing what so ever.

I play around with it get it back into gear doing the rev thing above.
I drive it back to the house i break stand on it when in drive it tries really hard to over power the breaks i didn't feel much slip so the TC feels strong.
please tell me this is something stupid.

Why when i give it lots of power it loses the tranny again?


But now that everything is cleaned and changed out new fluid filter the works i can't even get it to go into gear revving it. i think it's gotta be dead.

It has to be something stupid if you just did the motor know what I mean? Im sure the tranny is fine since it workd before the swap. Tranny to motor bolts tight ? All sensors hooked up?

 

[BlackRaptor]

Everything hooked up checked everything it's so weird.

Man i have to admit this has me just sick. This car is draining me of every penny i have.

I just tried it again this morning fluid levels perfect pull it into gear it's dead.

motor runs great though haha
so now i can sit in the garage with the engine running how cool is that? haha