Petition Against /For [Merged 3-8]

[98TsiAWD]

http://www.eff.com/share/petition/


I wouldnt take the time to download music if CD's were $7.99, but they arent, they charge an outrageous $20-25.

 

[greathuskie]

i seriously dont know where some of you get your prices, ive never seen a CD that costed as much as you guys say, and every time an argument comes out about how much they cost, the prices go up by a dollar according to the people in the argument, stick to places like best buy and cds cost 13.99, ive never seen a 25 dollar cd, seriously

anyways RIAA sucks ass and ill sign

edit: another thing,CD prices are not reflecting only the greediness of the company, they have to pay off the artist with whom they already signed a contract for and prepaid just to do the cd, then they have to pay for every little person thats involved in between making the cd to printing it to getting the little booklet in it to shipping it to stores etc etc, so CDs cannot cost 2.99 or something just because the cd itself cost 5c, i think 9.99 or 10.99 is a very fair price considering everything that goes into getting that cd onto the shelfs, but the way RIAA is going towards making up for lost cd sales due to shitty music coming out and blaming it on kazaa is straight up BS

 

[98TsiAWD]

In my town there now is no music store other than wal-mart (edited, no thanks)

there used to be a cd store here and their prices ranged from 18.99 to 24.99 per cd.

 

[98RedGs]

I've got a store by my house right now (5 mins away) that charges about 18.99-21.99 depending on the cd that you are buying. If its a double cd set then its about 26.99 and you know what.... They have been doing this for about 9 years now, without a problem of someone coming into town and undercutting them in sales.

So yes, alot of places sell cd's for insane prices. But you've seriously got to look at the Big Picture and realize that alot of our Big Entertainment companies overpay alot of their entertainers by hundreds of thousands of dollars. Take football for example, I'm by no means saying that it isn't a very entertaining sport but alot of them are highly overpaid. Next we can take.... basketball for example alot of them are highly overpaid I'm sure. Take another sport for example that we all have seen on tv and probably just turn the channel soon as we see it.... Soccer, I mean not being a pud or anything but I'm sure they dont get paid much at all actually. Next we could look at some music entertainers because I'm 110% sure alot of them are overpaid, take um..... Britney Spears for example, she I'm sure makes way to much dam money for her own good. Next an underrated group completely different in music Slipknot! I'm pretty sure they dont make half as much as her but there also not well-known so that could be one reason.

Theres basically one thing it all boils down too....
We play alot of kids to much to just sing a few lines of a song

 

[SoLow91]

i wouldn't sign that it could be a possible scam ya know. just use kazaalite++ it blocks all scans from RIAA, MPAA and all incoming messages automatically so your safe if u use this

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I too use Kazaalite, didn't know it provided any safety but that's cool if it's true. Already signed the petition as well.

Tom

 

[AW4G63]

Originally posted by 98TsiAWD
http://www.eff.com/share/petition/


I wouldnt take the time to download music if CD's were $7.99, but they arent, they charge an outrageous $20-25.

Its a product and your the consumer.

A tipical CD has about 6-8 hands pulling a buck out. You people are so stupid. You want people to wipe your ass too?

If its beyond your price range then your not in a class that can buy it, that doesnt mean you should steal it.

Thats like saying-

"A Lambo only cost $XXXXXX so why should I pay $150,000 more."

A turbo housing is about $18 of aluminum and you would pay a arm & a leg for it.

Because companys like Garrrett are COMPANYS they are in it for MONEY not to do you a favor.


If you realy think that a online petition will get the RIAA to even look at you then you simply out of touch with the whole music industry.

 

[Dsmed]

Originally posted by AW4G63


Its a product and your the consumer.

A tipical CD has about 6-8 hands pulling a buck out. You people are so stupid. You want people to wipe your ass too?

If its beyond your price range then your not in a class that can buy it, that doesnt mean you should steal it.

Thats like saying-

"A Lambo only cost $XXXXXX so why should I pay $150,000 more."

A turbo housing is about $18 of aluminum and you would pay a arm & a leg for it.

Because companys like Garrrett are COMPANYS they are in it for MONEY not to do you a favor.


If you realy think that a online petition will get the RIAA to even look at you then you simply out of touch with the whole music industry.

 

[thekellbeast]

Originally posted by Tom Sawyer
I too use Kazaalite, didn't know it provided any safety but that's cool if it's true. Already signed the petition as well.

Tom

Kazzalite provides no real safety. It only blocks certain IP#'s that are known to be from the RIAA snoops. Because it blocks a LIST of IP#'s, it is still vulrenable to IP#'s that aren't on the list. The only way to protect yourself is to not let people download from you, and don't keep anything significant in your shared folder. Because your shared folder is somehow considered public domain, the RIAA is free to check it for their property. I have all of my mp3's in a separate folder, to be safe.

 

[crazyjoe]

Originally posted by AW4G63


Its a product and your the consumer.

A tipical CD has about 6-8 hands pulling a buck out. You people are so stupid. You want people to wipe your ass too?

If its beyond your price range then your not in a class that can buy it, that doesnt mean you should steal it.

Thats like saying-

"A Lambo only cost $XXXXXX so why should I pay $150,000 more."

A turbo housing is about $18 of aluminum and you would pay a arm & a leg for it.

Because companys like Garrrett are COMPANYS they are in it for MONEY not to do you a favor.


If you realy think that a online petition will get the RIAA to even look at you then you simply out of touch with the whole music industry.

I think you are the one who is being a little silly. Remember when calculators cost like 50 dollars? Now you can get them for a buck at the local dollar store. Why? Because advances in technology makes production better, cheaper, and faster. It's the same with CD production. Technological advances have taken the cost of a writable CD from 5 dollars to 50 cents, but have CD prices reflected that change at all? Nope. And the reason that they pushed people to buy CDs int he first place (it's digital, easy to duplicate, and suffers no degredation from duplication) is now the reason they want to clamp down on what you can do with any piece of technology in your home.

Let's get a grip. We all know how CDs for new artists work...they slap 2 songs that will see radio play (I won't even say they are decent) on a CD of 12 songs, and charge betwen 12 and 20 dollars for them. They won't even produce CDs anymore if they can't guarantee they won't sell at least 100,000 copies, and then want everyone to beleive that they have losses to make up.

Does all of this jsutify theft of intellectual property? No, but as consumers that's a pretty good way to protest. And legally, I am allowed to make copies of music for trading with friends, so long as I don't profit from it, but now that legal right is being taken away by laws like the DMCA.

So the RIAA can kiss my ass. They're a big, greedy, piece of shit association who can watch their lack of foresight bite them in the balls. If Microsoft can't stay one step ahead of the hackers, the RIAA can't either, so I'll sit by the sidelines and watch as they get honked.

 

[Sotarts]

Originally posted by AW4G63


Its a product and your the consumer.

A tipical CD has about 6-8 hands pulling a buck out. You people are so stupid. You want people to wipe your ass too?

If its beyond your price range then your not in a class that can buy it, that doesnt mean you should steal it.

Thats like saying-

"A Lambo only cost $XXXXXX so why should I pay $150,000 more."

A turbo housing is about $18 of aluminum and you would pay a arm & a leg for it.

Because companys like Garrrett are COMPANYS they are in it for MONEY not to do you a favor.


If you realy think that a online petition will get the RIAA to even look at you then you simply out of touch with the whole music industry.

I wholeheartedly second that.

You can download music $0.99/track.

Find few buddies to buy a CD you all like, then make copies for each of you. One who went through the trouble using their time and possibly credit card gets to keep the original.

This is a no-brainer. My CD-changer is filled with over $3,500+ worth of music (retail value) and 90% of the CDs are copies.

And you can copy those retail CDs with cd-text to use in CD-text-capable player/changer.

You can buy CDs at cdnow.com @ $15 or less and have them shipped FREE when you spend more than $25, better than paying $20 at some stores. Comes right to your doorstep, saving you fuel, possibly your motor, crank-walk, accident, etc. And those you can split cost with few buddies making copies for all.

Some people bi*** too much. Open your own business with popular, copy-righted, easily copied/reproduced products and see how it goes.

Originally posted by crazyjoe


I think you are the one who is being a little silly. Remember when calculators cost like 50 dollars? Now you can get them for a buck at the local dollar store. Why? Because advances in technology makes production better, cheaper, and faster. It's the same with CD production. Technological advances have taken the cost of a writable CD from 5 dollars to 50 cents, but have CD prices reflected that change at all? Nope. And the reason that they pushed people to buy CDs int he first place (it's digital, easy to duplicate, and suffers no degredation from duplication) is now the reason they want to clamp down on what you can do with any piece of technology in your home.

Let's get a grip. We all know how CDs for new artists work...they slap 2 songs that will see radio play (I won't even say they are decent) on a CD of 12 songs, and charge betwen 12 and 20 dollars for them. They won't even produce CDs anymore if they can't guarantee they won't sell at least 100,000 copies, and then want everyone to beleive that they have losses to make up.

Does all of this jsutify theft of intellectual property? No, but as consumers that's a pretty good way to protest. And legally, I am allowed to make copies of music for trading with friends, so long as I don't profit from it, but now that legal right is being taken away by laws like the DMCA.

So the RIAA can kiss my ass. They're a big, greedy, piece of shit association who can watch their lack of foresight bite them in the balls. If Microsoft can't stay one step ahead of the hackers, the RIAA can't either, so I'll sit by the sidelines and watch as they get honked.

You don't own RIAA. You don't own record companies. Record companies have contracts, they HAVE to pay the artists via contract. Finally, you don't own the artists (the source of music). How can you possibly consider millking them of their music for FREE??? It's like you would buy go-fast parts and someone is distributing them for free from your warehouse, yet you have to pay out the contracts when you ordered the go-fast parts from the supplier.

You like the product, you buy it, supporting the entire line that takes the music to get to you.

Do you go to a tuner shop and steal from the backdoor? No. Do you go to a grocery store and steal everything you like? No.

They all need to make a living/profit. It's called BUSINESS

Why CD prices go up? Because of file sharing.

Every f*cking CD, for years, had and still has a print on it not to make illegal copies, etc...

 

[crazyjoe]

Originally posted by aovsi

You don't own RIAA. You don't own record companies. Record companies have contracts, they HAVE to pay the artists via contract. Finally, you don't own the artists (the source of music). How can you possibly consider millking them of their music for FREE??? It's like you would buy go-fast parts and someone is distributing them for free from your warehouse, yet you have to pay out the contracts when you ordered the go-fast parts from the supplier.

You like the product, you buy it, supporting the entire line that takes the music to get to you.

Do you go to a tuner shop and steal from the backdoor? No. Do you go to a grocery store and steal everything you like? No.

They all need to make a living/profit. It's called BUSINESS

Why CD prices go up? Because of file sharing.

Every f*cking CD, for years, had and still has a print on it not to make illegal copies, etc...

I don't own the RIAA? Thank goodness, because there would be a bunch of people out there looking to kick my ass.

I love when people tell me that businesses are out to make money. what a concept. Ya know what, though, if a business could get away with ass-raping its customers, it would do it. People need to stand up to the businesses when they decide to go profiteering. By stealing from them? If they are willing to pay the consequences, then sure. But don't make extra laws and invalidate my rights to use my technology to enforce that bullshit.

CD prices are not going up because of file sharing, that is the most morinic pile of garbage Ihave ever heard. CD prices have been going up before file sharing was ever heard of.

Oh, and that littel warning that says don't make illegal copies?? The fair use clause allowed people to trade music with each other and it was perfectly legal, until technology allowed the RIAA to find large groups of people who were doing it and insist that it was illegal.

 

[Sotarts]

Originally posted by crazyjoe

I love when people tell me that businesses are out to make money. what a concept.

Yeah, businesses are non-profit organizations that have gone crooked.

RIAA, record labels and artists are NOT a fokking charity.

 

[Dsmed]

Originally posted by aovsi


Yeah, businesses are non-profit organizations that have gone crooked.

RIAA, record labels and artists are NOT a fokking charity.

WORD !!!!!! The 3 Amigos, you, me and Tom

 

[thehyena]

duh....

 

[AW4G63]

Go dedicate your life to making music for people to enjoy.


If they enjoy hearing it on the radio but want more you can purchase a cd. Yes , you will get paid cents for each air play but you will also be getting $1-2 off each CD.

The Label that put up $10000 of dollars for your fans to hear you and know you will take $1-2 a cd

The producer who made the music note to note will take $1-2

The store who sells the Cd and carries mechandise for each artist will take about $1 or $2

Production costs will be $1-2

Manufacturing,designing, dedicating months to making the music and mastering it and the COUNTLESS COSTS IN WHICH ARE ENCOUNTERED will cost a few dollars off each CD.

BUT WAIT, WHY WOULD ANY OF THEM NEED TO MAKE MONEY?


How greedy, screw a org that is in place to protect the music industry.




Open your eyes, Stealing is stealing. Even if your not taking a real object you can hold in your hand your one less CD sale. CD sales make or break an artist. They pay for their next production they encounter.

That 12 girl was stealing lots, if she wasnt doing anythign wrong why did she pay $1200? Why not give the $1200 to an attorney and fight it?

Because she got caught being a pirate. Minus the rum and eye patch.


Knoobies

 

[crazyjoe]

I'm real sure Britney and Christina have dedicated thier lives to making music for other people....all 18 years of it.

I am not saying they don't deserve money for what they do. I am not even saying they get paid way too much. I am saying that the RIAA has been holding back music distribution technology, and is now actively trying to put a stranglehold on other technologies solely so they can continue to operate under an outdated business model. Naw, no thanks. I want to be able to do the same thigns with my music now that I could have done with it 20 years ago....I want to be able to bring it to a friend's house and play it on his stereo, my stereo, and all the stereos at the damn Best Buy, but record labels are working on technology and legislation that would keep people from playing music on all but a few select devices....what a load of crap.

If I buy a CD, I want to make a copy of it to play in my car, so I can keep one copy in the car and one in my house....but they are moving away frmo allowing that sort of stuff, and it's bull.

Yeah, people downloading 50,000 songs a night from Kazaa are stealing, but people who download one or two songs every now and then are doing something perfectly legal.....trading. If organizations like the RIAA had their way you wouldn't be able to use your VCR to record TV shows because you can skip the commercials....bah.

To me, nothing quite says whiner like a bunch of millionaires crying about how much of their money is potentially being stolen (not that anyone who downloads would ever actually buy the CDs they download) because they refuse to adapt to new technology. Wah wah wah. Who's the whiner?

 

[AW4G63]

Originally posted by crazyjoe
I'm real sure Britney and Christina have dedicated thier lives to making music for other people....all 18 years of it.

Well that is what they do for a living. They may not break a sweat or get a hernia doing it but its there work they choose.

Originally posted by crazyjoe

To me, nothing quite says whiner like a bunch of millionaires crying about how much of their money is potentially being stolen (not that anyone who downloads would ever actually buy the CDs they download) because they refuse to adapt to new technology. Wah wah wah. Who's the whiner?

They didnt become millionaires by complaining about other peoples money on the internet.



Nothing screams whiner to me louder then a bunch of idiots that dont understand being a consumer.

 

[FiReBReTHa]

Hey Guys, I Just learned about that the DOT etc are preparing to ban all production of aftermarket retrofit kits.

I believe that this is ridiculous because in most cases its some jackass with their high beams on, or one burnt out low beam so they drive with high beams to prevent a ticket. (even tho can still get a ticket)
or trucks that sit up higher with AE bulbs that can give a blue tint.

I believe to help save the tuner market you guys have to help with this. it can start here and progress into other things. Look at how CA is already if you dont belive. please post this link in the forums that you know of.

The Rest of the tuner society appreciates.

-Rick

http://www.petitiononline.com/hidforum/petition.html

 

[cait sith]

Because web petitions do anything.

 

[SpydiRTEK]

Originally posted by cait sith
Because web petitions do anything.

ditto

 

[logic]

Originally posted by FiReBReTHa
Hey Guys, I Just learned about that the DOT etc are preparing to ban all production of aftermarket retrofit kits.

Still reading HIDforums, I see. Here's what I've learned over the last couple of days of soaking up HID information.

To clarify: They're not "preparing to ban production". By my understanding, they were already illegal under federal law. The DOT/NHTSA is just getting around to enforcement, because of all the complaints they receive regarding HID glare issues.

Let me say that again: the retrofits have NEVER been legal. You cannot legally manfacture and sell a kit to convert a halogen headlight assembly to a high-intensity discharge assembly. The companies that sold these kits will now very likely face some very expensive fines as a result of those sales.

There's a couple of companies out there (one appears to be (http://hidtech.com/) that will take your headlight assembly, gut out the original bulb mount, and retrofit a complete sealed HID projector unit into it, which appears that it may meet the test of legality (since the projector itself met the existing standard). These are legally questionable, but the issue hasn't been tested in court at this point, and it could probably go either way. Right now, the DOT is just cracking down on these replacement kits that just mount in the old 9005/9006 mounts that you had your halogen bulbs in.

As far as the petition goes, I saw it. It, like most online petitions, was pretty poorly stated, misrepresented the facts, and didn't actually result in a piece of paper arriving on the desk of a legislator: the people who can actually do something about this. The DOT is merely acting on the cue given to it by Congress; if you think these retrofit kits should be legal, you should call or write your elected representative.

 

[LightningGSX]

Not to mention, that most HID retrofits are in fact dangerous to other drivers.

 

[Elight]

Hey don't know if this is a repost but I found a petition to get dsm's on the new gran turismo game so show some support and go sign it. I think it would be sweet to have a 1g on there

http://www.petitiononline.com/9499gsx/petition.html

 

[a_scobel]

Has PetitionOnline actually had a petition go through & be approved before..?? Just wondering. I've never heard of PetitionOnline actually succeeding.