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I just read the adfx thread, and there is yet another intake manifold. Now considering that each of these costs 5 to 600 clams, no member is gonna compare them so i thought if we all made a petition thread, we could send it off to some magazines like scc and what not and they might do it.

So far i think the big ones are:
Magnus
Forester
Venom
ADFX?

so sign or leave a coment i guess, it would be great if i cracked scc in a few months and they had balenced readouts on all the manifolds
 
Very good idea.

Make sure you mention they use an eclipse with a 20g or bigger turbo.

so we can really see the difference.

bench flow test each also.


should be great if they actually do it.


were do we sign?
 
i dont know, i figured here.... but dont they have like online petition things?
 
oh ok i found one, shall we work to gether to wright the pettion statment?

how about this:

To whom it may concern:

This petition has been created to gather support for an article by one of the many sport compact / import car magazines. The focus of this article would be the comparison of the many intake manifolds that are available for DSMs or more specifically model years 90-99, Eclipse GST, Eclipse GSX, Talon Tsi, and Talon Tsi AWD; all of these models having the turbo 4G63 engine. There has been much deliberation amongst the DSM community as to which manifold makes the most power gains, furthermore it is difficult to determine power gains because each manufacturer tests their manifold on a different set up. The undersigned request that there be written a head to head article comparing intake manifolds by Magnus Motorsport, Forrester Racing Heads, Venom, and ADFX on a DSM that is decently modified, i.e. having a larger turbo than stock, so real gains could be seen. The whole of the DSM community would be grateful for such an article.

Sincerely

The Undersigned




Please make sugestions, i havent submited this yet.
 
Originally posted by focusedrage
I just read the adfx thread, and there is yet another intake manifold. Now considering that each of these costs 5 to 600 clams, no member is gonna compare them so i thought if we all made a petition thread, we could send it off to some magazines like scc and what not and they might do it.

So far i think the big ones are:
Magnus
Forester
Venom
ADFX?

so sign or leave a coment i guess, it would be great if i cracked scc in a few months and they had balenced readouts on all the manifolds
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Dont forget Polk Extreme Buschur STR VRP and BJ
 
It should also include a test to see how much each manifold effects low-end power / turbo lag.
 
Manifold comparison tests have been done. And dyno proven.

Only thing is, no one is directly going to tell you.

I will tell you if you stick with:

Forrester
BJ's
Magnus

You are going to be very happy, and you will definately gain a nice peak hp increase, and up to 100whp different at 7500 or so.
 
Originally posted by jdmawd


Dont forget Polk Extreme Buschur STR VRP and BJ
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Don't Extreme and Buschur cost like $900. Lets stick to the one that are $500-$600 like the original poster said. As far as STR, VRP and BJ never heard of them. Do you have a link? I also didn't see a manifold that polk sells.

It would be nice if they dynoed each manifold like what AMS did with the cams.
 
Originally posted by DCJ98GST


Don't Extreme and Buschur cost like $900. Lets stick to the one that are $500-$600 like the original poster said.
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How is price relevant? Buschur wants 1300 for the exact same intercooler that IRC sells for 900. price has nothing to do with it. PTE turbos cost 900 bucks and they are compared to 1350 greens all the time.

As far as STR, VRP and BJ never heard of them. Do you have a link? I also didn't see a manifold that polk sells.
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Try a search that often works wonders. You guys are making this way to complicated. find someone that is faster then you. With a setup similar to what you have of want. see what they have a go with it. I don't get the I have to be a dsm pioneer mind set pick something that works and go with it. This shit is not that damn complicated.

So maybe the forester makes .125 more whp then the magnus or vise versa:rolleyes:
 
THERE ARE DYNO RESULTS COMPARING THESE OUT THERE.

GET "COOL" with a vendor and get the results.

Forrester
BJ's
Magnus

Hogan makes a nice one too, but I have no dyno results on it. But I know a few cars making huge numbers on it. :D
 
This is a great idea, however here is a lesson on how magazines work since I used to work for one, you can figure out which one on your own if your really curious (or you can call Marco..)

Regardless, Magazines generally only do technical articles for manufactureres that advertise in the magazine. This is a way to provide readers with good stuff to read while also promoting products for their advertisers. Things like the intake shoot out were done for the best of the reader mainly however they also tested intakes from every company that advertised with them, plus a very small few that didn't.

Problem with this article that you propose is that most of the companies that make parts for our cars are small guys who make great stuff, but not companies like AEM and DC SPorts with 10million a year advertising budgets so they dont really advertise in SCC (with the exception to Venom) so a shoot on DSM intake manifolds wouldn't be beneficial to the magazine.

What they would likely end up doing with yoru idea is doing jsut that, but on a Turbo Honda and testing 5 intake manifold for that car since it's very popular (more so than DSM unfortunately) and also because a lot of their advertisers carry this part for that car. The other problems is that as great as DSM's are they are not produced anymore and the following for this car will do nothing but shrink over time as there are less and less DSM's around they get older and newer and greater cars come along and pull attention away from them. This is a shame I agree, however you know we all secretly want an EVO8 and if we could trade our cars in we would do it and take the EVO8. NOt everbody would but a large majority. With that in mind (and magazines know this) why would they feature a product for a car that we all dont really want anymore. I'm not saying that I dont want my DSM but if somebody offered to trade me straight up for an EVO8 I would be there no problem. So would I enjoy reading about this article on an EVO8 (if it were even possible) sure I would because it's a car I want and a car that companies are starting to make parts for which will eventually grow a huge aftermarket support and a whole new line of enthusiasts wanting to buy up parts. This is much like the STi and SRT-4 will do the same thing.

With all that said, I still think that this is a great idea and if a magazine acctually does take this up, you know they are giving real editorial on products that help us, not just providing us with 250pages of ADVERtorial... We are all deathly sick of that...
 
Originally posted by DSMJim
This is a great idea, however here is a lesson on how magazines work since I used to work for one, you can figure out which one on your own if your really curious (or you can call Marco..)

Regardless, Magazines generally only do technical articles for manufactureres that advertise in the magazine. This is a way to provide readers with good stuff to read while also promoting products for their advertisers. Things like the intake shoot out were done for the best of the reader mainly however they also tested intakes from every company that advertised with them, plus a very small few that didn't.

Problem with this article that you propose is that most of the companies that make parts for our cars are small guys who make great stuff, but not companies like AEM and DC SPorts with 10million a year advertising budgets so they dont really advertise in SCC (with the exception to Venom) so a shoot on DSM intake manifolds wouldn't be beneficial to the magazine.

What they would likely end up doing with yoru idea is doing jsut that, but on a Turbo Honda and testing 5 intake manifold for that car since it's very popular (more so than DSM unfortunately) and also because a lot of their advertisers carry this part for that car. The other problems is that as great as DSM's are they are not produced anymore and the following for this car will do nothing but shrink over time as there are less and less DSM's around they get older and newer and greater cars come along and pull attention away from them. This is a shame I agree, however you know we all secretly want an EVO8 and if we could trade our cars in we would do it and take the EVO8. NOt everbody would but a large majority. With that in mind (and magazines know this) why would they feature a product for a car that we all dont really want anymore. I'm not saying that I dont want my DSM but if somebody offered to trade me straight up for an EVO8 I would be there no problem. So would I enjoy reading about this article on an EVO8 (if it were even possible) sure I would because it's a car I want and a car that companies are starting to make parts for which will eventually grow a huge aftermarket support and a whole new line of enthusiasts wanting to buy up parts. This is much like the STi and SRT-4 will do the same thing.

With all that said, I still think that this is a great idea and if a magazine acctually does take this up, you know they are giving real editorial on products that help us, not just providing us with 250pages of ADVERtorial... We are all deathly sick of that...
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I agree. DSM's are dinosaurs in their eyes.
 
how ever i rember reading an article in scc, only a few months ago that had the compleat dsm pert guide. and they talked about the small companies that support us, i mean they still have feature articlas about hachi rokus...
 
hey guys, im real sorry about the cross posting, the thing is i did them all at once real quick, so its not like i did one and ignored your warnings... sorry again, i had seen it before and didnt know it was a fauxpas....

It wont happen again
 
Heck, I'd just be happy to see a dyno run with stock vs whatever that started at less than 4k RPM. There's little doubt that the good ones work on the big end, but at what price in the small end?
 
WHAT!! 11 total who signed!!

Okay. this needs a new title and a sticky so everybody reads it.

Something like (Intake Manifold TEST!!! Vote Here!!!) or something like that and must be a STICKY!!!!



Also, post it on different DSM forums.

l8r.
 
Originally posted by DSMJim
...however you know we all secretly want an EVO8 and if we could trade our cars in we would do it and take the EVO8. NOt everbody would but a large majority. With that in mind (and magazines know this) why would they feature a product for a car that we all dont really want anymore. ...
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Well why not just do the flow test with the EVO8? Is the head and cams on the EVO8 4g63 that much different then the 1g DSM? I dont know that much about the EVO8 engine. But even if it is different it would be nice to see a comparison between the manifolds with a similar engine anyways. You could still see which manifold is choking off top end or flowing better.

Maybe telling them to do the test with an EVO would give more incentive for these guys to actually do the test b/c the evo IS going to have big demand for aftermarket parts in the near future.
 
Only 12 signatures as of now.

Andrew Coleman: As a subscriber to 'Sport Compact Car' and frequent reader of 'Super Street', 'Turbo', & many other performance orientated import magazines I would be most appreciative of this article. Considering I am the owner of a turbo eclipse and will soon be in the market for one of the listed manifolds, it will greatly help in my decision.
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How many different intake manifold are out for the EVO VIII? Im not aware of any except the JUN unit, and the FRH (its reversible, therefore it should work on the EVO as well).

Well why not just do the flow test with the EVO8? Is the head and cams on the EVO8 4g63 that much different then the 1g DSM? I dont know that much about the EVO8 engine. But even if it is different it would be nice to see a comparison between the manifolds with a similar engine anyways. You could still see which manifold is choking off top end or flowing better.
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LOL, well some one eles repost it, if they want, cause im in the dog house with the mods
 
They can use the Talon I'm getting as the Guinea Pig :) Picking up a 92 when I get back to MD, then driving it to Cali before seriously modding it. (Gt-12 from SBR etc) I figure that'd be a good bench for intake manifold tests :) And I'll be in Cali. :)
 
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