wannarace
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- Sep 9, 2002
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Lafayette,
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I saw this definition of Compressor Surge from a previous thread:
TurboByGarrett.com - FAQ's
"...Compressor surge is when the air pressure after the compressor is actually higher than what the compressor itself can physically maintain. This condition causes the airflow in the compressor wheel to back up, build pressure, and sometimes stall. In cases of extreme surge, the thrust bearings of the turbo can be destroyed, and will sometimes even lead to mechanical failure of the compressor wheel itself.
Common conditions that result in compressor surge on turbocharger gasoline engines are:
* A compressor bypass valve is not integrated into the intake plumbing between the compressor outlet and throttle body
* The outlet plumbing for the bypass valve is too small or restrictive
* The turbo is too big for the application "
When I lay into the throttle and build boost, no matter how much, in higher RPM's and boost stabilizes, I get a ch-ch-ch sound and causes the car to surge. This is a partial throttle pull. I get off the pedal completely, the BOV rips and problem goes away. No surge is ever experienced when throttle is completely lifted. Although I just may not be hearing it over the RFL dumping.
I'm wondering, I'm seeing constant boost by the gauge and said pressure keeps the BOV shut. Considering the compressor has built up way more pressure to keep that manifold constant. Would it seem that the partially closed throttle plate is just bouncing shockwaves back at the turbo?
The other issue is, when making WOT pulls, shifting at redline, It takes a second for the turbo to spool back up on the next gear. I do not hear any noise that would suggest surge but this should not be an issue for a HX-35 with BEP housing. Especially running a stock motor, which I am. The turbo starts spool up around 3200rpms reaching full boost about 3800.
I was thinking along the lines of improper BOV operation. I know it should react to differences in pressure between the manifold and intake piping but only seems to release under manifold vaccum. Could it just not be releasing fast enough. I am using a Turbo XS RFL with no shims.
Any input is appreciated!
Here's is a pic of my engine bay. I have since converted to a 38mm External WG setup.
TurboByGarrett.com - FAQ's
"...Compressor surge is when the air pressure after the compressor is actually higher than what the compressor itself can physically maintain. This condition causes the airflow in the compressor wheel to back up, build pressure, and sometimes stall. In cases of extreme surge, the thrust bearings of the turbo can be destroyed, and will sometimes even lead to mechanical failure of the compressor wheel itself.
Common conditions that result in compressor surge on turbocharger gasoline engines are:
* A compressor bypass valve is not integrated into the intake plumbing between the compressor outlet and throttle body
* The outlet plumbing for the bypass valve is too small or restrictive
* The turbo is too big for the application "
When I lay into the throttle and build boost, no matter how much, in higher RPM's and boost stabilizes, I get a ch-ch-ch sound and causes the car to surge. This is a partial throttle pull. I get off the pedal completely, the BOV rips and problem goes away. No surge is ever experienced when throttle is completely lifted. Although I just may not be hearing it over the RFL dumping.
I'm wondering, I'm seeing constant boost by the gauge and said pressure keeps the BOV shut. Considering the compressor has built up way more pressure to keep that manifold constant. Would it seem that the partially closed throttle plate is just bouncing shockwaves back at the turbo?
The other issue is, when making WOT pulls, shifting at redline, It takes a second for the turbo to spool back up on the next gear. I do not hear any noise that would suggest surge but this should not be an issue for a HX-35 with BEP housing. Especially running a stock motor, which I am. The turbo starts spool up around 3200rpms reaching full boost about 3800.
I was thinking along the lines of improper BOV operation. I know it should react to differences in pressure between the manifold and intake piping but only seems to release under manifold vaccum. Could it just not be releasing fast enough. I am using a Turbo XS RFL with no shims.
Any input is appreciated!
Here's is a pic of my engine bay. I have since converted to a 38mm External WG setup.
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