Official 15th Annual Shootout Pic Thread

[laserspeeddemon]

Not one person in the entire econolodge was against the burnouts at the time. Once it hits the internet though, it's a catastrophe and everyone is against it. Weird.

exactly

Yep, it was the same at the Best Western this year. Every car that pulled through the parking lot was egged on to do a burnout by most of the crowd, with noone stepping up and saying "Hey, don't do that!" But, I suppose it's much easier to flex your Internet muscles after the fact.

Aside from the idiocy that happened at Arby's (damage to the grassy area behind and the owner's displays), this was a pretty tame year by most accounts.

Same for the Best Western.

Who the f*ck are you guys to judge me?!? You wanna know what I did?!? I went to my room in the COMFORT INN 10 minutes away from the f*ck heads acting like fools, drank beer, and played video games with the other guys that came up with us, BOTH nights we were there. I heard about the shit after the fact, all I could do at that point is shake my head as I think "F*cking idiots"

I believe we are guests in Buschur's town. You don't go to someones house and piss in their pool. Thats just f*cking rude. Besides not once in my adult life have I let someone else's pressure steer my choices. But I guess being responsible member of society is too much work for some people. I roll the way I want to roll. Even if I'm rolling against the crowd.

In the end, I am a family man with 2 kids. I have been a perfect soldier for 6 years to maintain a high level security clearance. I have a job the requires a absolute clean police record. You f*ckers cheering me on to do a burnout is not worth the risk. I guess thats the difference in our demographics.

thats usually how it always is. . .

pick, come on, bro. You know where I was and that I had no part in the mayhem.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

You know what sickens me most.

The fact I just realized two of the persons I quoted are Moderators. Seems to me that you are implying that you condone that behavior. Since before you did nothing to stop it, yet after the fact you mock me for standing against it.

You would think that moderators would at least have the same line of vision that Ludachris and I share.

But hey, maybe when someone you know is lost to something as stupid as a red light challenge you'll see that this shit really ain't worth it sometimes.

Est a septem secundus impetus dignitas three ago?
(Is a 7 second rush worth 3 lives?)


**edit** I can't wait to see the reaction these two posts will draw.

 

[LaN-]

Why is everyone just bitching and trying to point blame?

I was at the Lodge and i'll admit at first it was cool when a car would do a burn out, but i'm talking about something stupid and funny like the mini van . When it got to the point that people started to get real stupid and it got some what dangerous I started to get concern and started bitching.

If you don't like how a bunch of kids act don't come next year. Or find a way to keep people occupied. Like i said before what do you expect, open house closes at 5 and the track doesn't open till 11 the next morning. That means you have 1500 people with nothing to do but sit in there hotel and drink...........its gonna be pretty crazy.

I think to find some resolve to this Buschar should implement something for the members to follow. Its sucks ### its almost like you have to baby sit, but it might work.

For example, you print out a rules sheet of things they don't want to see happen and hand it out to all the local hotels. When you check into your room they ask if your here for the shootout and give it to you. If the hotel staff has to confront you about something that is going on and get your name (like they started to at the lodge) they can provide that to Buschar and when they come to the track/open house you will be turned away.

Also that saturday night i think someone should organize a big BBQ to keep everyone occupied. Everyone pays 10-20 bucks to get in and you can drink and eat. Everyone can bring there Games, Beer pong and shit. It closes at 11 or 12 then you have to go back to your hotel. I think there could be some decent money to be made off the BBQ and possible could go toward prizes for each winner in the class.

Buschar could sell tickets to the BBQ on his website so he is not stuck with a bill if people don't show up. Think about it, 1500 tickets at 5 bucks each is $7500 i would imagine we could organize something with that amount of cash and its not like the local people of Norwalk could be pissed about it, its gonna get that loud and annoying anyway.


Like i said before it sucks because you almost have to baby sit everyone, but you cannot expect 1500 people with nothing to do but drink and act stupid to keep it under control. When they are all around the age of 18 - 25.

So i'll say it again, if you don't like it, either try to make it better or don't come. I'm sick of all this bitching on every single forum. In the end no one died and nothing serious happened, move on. I'm not saying what happened should be approved of, but now lets try to fix the problem.



Edit: The more i was thinking about it. One of the forums (dsmtuners ) could be the one to setup some type of BBQ.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

not to sound like a dick but does anyone have any interior shoots of the red 2g AWD spyder? one thing i didn't do while up their

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Thats a great idea. I'd love to help organize a BBQ or least be an errand b*tch, go get more buns, soda, etc.

I hate it when people all get together and use the masses and/or alcohol (lets face it, if your drunk your really shouldn't be driving; let alone doing burnouts/donuts) as an excuse to do what they normally wouldn't.

When I was in Germany we had a car gathering in a huge parking lot that sometimes got up to 400 different cars (mine being the ONLY AWD DSM woohoo). The police really didn't patrol the area, because very seldom did anyone do anything stupid. Usually it was an America too.... go figure. We'd either take away thier keys OR the police would make a round and haul them off.

Fast foward 4 years and now I'm in DC. Again we had a gathering were there were upwards of 400 cars every 1st Saturday of the month. The local police aided the group that put the meet together, vendors came and raffled off prizes. 4 months later a group of 4-6 people were mad because they got kicked out for revving their engines, driving too fast through the parking lot, etc. So they go > 1/4 mi down the road and do burnouts in the parking lot of the shopping center. The shopping center land owner complained to the Virginia Dept of Transportation. The next month the police that aided were now instructed to turn every car away. VDOT had shut us down, becuase of 4-6 people. All the DC area lost a good venue to enjoy cars because of 4-6 people. The sad part is I was with the group of 4-6. I told them to stop. The group that I was with, whom cosisted of a 427 whp GTO, 350+ hp GMC Seirra, and later a 510 tq Cobra, were responsible. It started with a RSX, then a CRX which I laughed at cause all he was burning out was his clutch. Once I saw Jesse jump in the Seirra, I knew it was gonna get bad. I told him to stop. Then the GTO went at it. I told him to stop. After that I jumped in the truck and told jesse we need to leave and he said "ok", which got the GTO to stop. I hopped in my Eclipse (which needed to be jumped started). And as we left the police rolled in.

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

There were a number of us that told everyone to settle down no one listened don't make assumptions that everyone at the hotel was all for burnouts. It was much more fun watching those ####s not notice the cops pull in and watch them than it was to tell them "hey don't do that theresa cop" 90% of what was done was done by people from out of this country. That canadian blue 2g was revving almosst every hour.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

not to sound like a dick but does anyone have any interior shoots of the red 2g AWD spyder? one thing i didn't do while up their

Nah I got some nice ext. shots and a very blurry engine shot but no int.

 

[just2asian]

I had buddies at the Best Western, we stopped in, but it was just sad because half the time you couldn't even find a parking spot in the lot. They just wanted to go to bed, hoping the weather would clear up the next day (but it didn't).

I agree that it only takes a few bad choices from a few people to ruin what is a perfectly fine event. I myself was egged to do a burnout just tryin to leave the Best Western parking lot, but someone did step up and was like "dude, there's cops, don't do it" I wasn't plannin on doin one anyways, but I appreciate the guy warning me, so I just kinda took off through the crowd, its one thing to be drunk (no problems), but its another to be a drunk idiot .

Also I agree with laserspeeddemon, moderators need to set an example, not be one.

That is all.

 

[b00st3d]

You know what sickens me most.

The fact I just realized two of the persons I quoted are Moderators. Seems to me that you are implying that you condone that behavior. Since before you did nothing to stop it, yet after the fact you mock me for standing against it.

You would think that moderators would at least have the same line of vision that Ludachris and I share.

But hey, maybe when someone you know is lost to something as stupid as a red light challenge you'll see that this shit really ain't worth it sometimes.

Est a septem secundus impetus dignitas three ago?
(Is a 7 second rush worth 3 lives?)


**edit** I can't wait to see the reaction these two posts will draw.

Funny, i didn't see anyone condone or imply that they condone what happens at the Shootouts, rather stated that's unfortunately just how things happen. And that people don't do anything to change it, instead they wait till they get home and "flex thier internet muscles" about what should/shouldn't happen, which is exactly what you are doing.

You wanna know what I did?!? I went to my room in the COMFORT INN 10 minutes away from the f*ck heads acting like fools,

You did nothing about it, you tucked tail and went and hid in your hotel room, now you want to chastise others for doing little or nothing just like you did.
There were several small groups at the best western that contested the burnouts, but the drone of the masses with thier chant to do a burn out easily hid the outcries to stop the dumb shit.
It's easy to talk about doing something, much harder to do it and lead by example.

 

[99gst_racer]

Aside from the idiocy that happened at Arby's (damage to the grassy area behind and the owner's displays), this was a pretty tame year by most accounts.

I agree. It seemed to be much more tame than last year's.


laserspeeddemon - I feel offended, Sean.

I'm a moderator on this site, not of the city of Norwalk. I'm not going to stop having a good time conversing with others and drinking my beer, just to stroll around the hotel parking lot like a hall monitor on a power trip, flexing my muscles, and moderating a parking lot of drunk people. That's the job of the police. The way I see it, if we all act like adults and watch our own ass, nothing bad or unfortunate will happen. This has always worked for me.

I come to the Shootout, never cause a single problem with anyone, and enjoy myself. When someone does a burnout, I definitely don't encourage them, cheer them on, or condone it. I never said anything about condoning idiocy. But at the same time, I'm not going to run out of my hotel room, down a flight of stairs, and across the entire parking lot hoping the burn-out guys are still there so I can "moderate" them and yell at them while I'm intoxicated.

Nobody judged you, Sean. Tim simply pointed how odd it is that people always complain about the burnouts after the fact, but never while it's taking place. And I simply agreed that the scene at my hotel is no different that his. I don't know how you construed either of our posts, or what else you expect out of us Moderators. I can guarantee you that I keep myself in check and try to set a good example at all times. And I can say the same for many of the people I met: fallenauthority, Jim (Auto RS T), Bartles and crew, Jeremy and the rest of VA, all of WMDSM, etc....


PS - I pretty much agree with Quest4Boost's above mine as well.

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

I will be there next year... With a DSM again.

 

[bartels903]

I agree. It seemed to be much more tame than last year's.


laserspeeddemon - I feel offended, Sean.

I'm a moderator on this site, not of the city of Norwalk. I'm not going to stop having a good time conversing with others and drinking my beer, just to stroll around the hotel parking lot like a hall monitor on a power trip, flexing my muscles, and moderating a parking lot of drunk people. That's the job of the police. The way I see it, if we all act like adults and watch our own ass, nothing bad or unfortunate will happen. This has always worked for me.

I come to the Shootout, never cause a single problem with anyone, and enjoy myself. When someone does a burnout, I definitely don't encourage them, cheer them on, or condone it. I never said anything about condoning idiocy. But at the same time, I'm not going to run out of my hotel room, down a flight of stairs, and across the entire parking lot hoping the burn-out guys are still there so I can "moderate" them and yell at them while I'm intoxicated.

Nobody judged you, Sean. Tim simply pointed how odd it is that people always complain about the burnouts after the fact, but never while it's taking place. And I simply agreed that the scene at my hotel is no different that his. I don't know how you construed either of our posts, or what else you expect out of us Moderators. I can guarantee you that I keep myself in check and try to set a good example at all times. And I can say the same for many of the people I met: fallenauthority, Jim (Auto RS T), Bartles and crew, Jeremy and the rest of VA, all of WMDSM, etc....


PS - I pretty much agree with Quest4Boost's above mine as well.

With us at best western there were not that many problems. There was the dumbass in the stealth who should have gotten arrested, and the kid in the mirage doing burnouts. Besides that we were drunk and loud, but nothing bad really happened. This year was a lot more respectable then last year. For you to judge a whole crowd on a dumbass or two is beyond what I belive is right. Even us holding the beer pong table, and the USA vs. Canada game table down did not get in trouble.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Every year it seems like the same thing. Don't know if driving 8 hours for a bunch of drunk ass guys I've never met to start doin dumb shit cause they have nothing better to do with themselves.

Maybe I'll show up to the re-scheduled event. Hopefully less asses this time..

 

[turbo1307]

Who care about all this burout crap. Post more pics.

Here are a few that I took.

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[TimG]

I agree. It seemed to be much more tame than last year's.

laserspeeddemon - I feel offended, Sean.

I'm not offended. Laserspeeddemon just took what I said the wrong way and blew it way out of proportion.

The shootout is a fun time, burnouts or not, but let's be serious. No one is doing much about the burnouts at the time and place of the event. I never insinuated that laserspeeddemon had anything to do with them or not but no one I saw had anything but cheers or silence to say about the burnouts.

I stayed fairly silent about the 2 I did see because I was talking turbos all night, which is far more interesting then smoke and noise. Some are just easily entertained I suppose.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

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found this video on aol

 

[Ludachris]

I don't think it's wrong to point out actions after the fact that could be seen as negative. If I went to an event and chose not to try and stop drunk people from doing things that could hurt the future of that event I still would talk about it afterward. I wouldn't see it as "flexing my internet muscles", I'd simply see it as a discussion about inappropriate actions that have a direct affect on my hobby.

Boys will be boys. If people don't think before they act the Shooutout is sure to disappear at some point. You can't police everyone, especially those intoxicated. All you can really do is make sure you and those in your group don't add to the problem. Maybe next year I'll make some "Save the Shootout" t-shirts that say "Don't Act Like an Idiot" or something. I'll put a car doing a burnout with a big line through it.

To all those who didn't participate in those questionable acts, thank you. I'm sure there were people that spoke up against it. Those who did participate in the burn-outs, well, hopefully we won't have to thank you later for the cancellation of future Shootouts because of something so childish. It would be pretty damn unfortunate, that's for sure.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Funny, i didn't see anyone condone or imply that they condone what happens at the Shootouts, rather stated that's unfortunately just how things happen. And that people don't do anything to change it, instead they wait till they get home and "flex thier internet muscles" about what should/shouldn't happen, which is exactly what you are doing.

Sarcasm is a form of mockery. Mocking someone's action is a debate against his argument. Beleive me I would have stepped up and did something about the fools. You're right action speak louder then words.

You did nothing about it, you tucked tail and went and hid in your hotel room, now you want to chastise others for doing little or nothing just like you did.
There were several small groups at the best western that contested the burnouts, but the drone of the masses with thier chant to do a burn out easily hid the outcries to stop the dumb shit.
It's easy to talk about doing something, much harder to do it and lead by example.

I DO lead by example. I stopped street racing years ago, once I realized the consequences. I even try to STEER others towards the track. I offer FREE video commerical for organizations that hold TRACK event. I live my life with INTEGRITY and SELF ACCOUTABILITY, it's the morale compass that guides my action. I left HOURS before anyone started acting stupid. Because I didn't want to end up with a driver that had been drinking all night carting me home. I don't drink and drive and I won't ride with someone who was drinking either. I intended to have a good time and be safe. I would hope that's how everyone would act. But with people cheering on those making trouble, or trying to convince those who aren't making trouble to make trouble, and lastly, those mocking people would deter the trouble, it would seem we are far from where we should be. I am going to assume that you were either of those last three while you were there.

What more could I have done?!? Predict the future. I thought for the time I was at the BW, everyone was acting like responsible individuals and having a good time at the same time. I really thought it was cool how so many people were acting so mature considering the reputation I heard about the Shoot out.

I agree. It seemed to be much more tame than last year's.


laserspeeddemon - I feel offended, Sean.

I'm a moderator on this site, not of the city of Norwalk. I'm not going to stop having a good time conversing with others and drinking my beer, just to stroll around the hotel parking lot like a hall monitor on a power trip, flexing my muscles, and moderating a parking lot of drunk people. That's the job of the police. The way I see it, if we all act like adults and watch our own ass, nothing bad or unfortunate will happen. This has always worked for me.

I come to the Shootout, never cause a single problem with anyone, and enjoy myself. When someone does a burnout, I definitely don't encourage them, cheer them on, or condone it. I never said anything about condoning idiocy. But at the same time, I'm not going to run out of my hotel room, down a flight of stairs, and across the entire parking lot hoping the burn-out guys are still there so I can "moderate" them and yell at them while I'm intoxicated.

Nobody judged you, Sean. Tim simply pointed how odd it is that people always complain about the burnouts after the fact, but never while it's taking place. And I simply agreed that the scene at my hotel is no different that his. I don't know how you construed either of our posts, or what else you expect out of us Moderators. I can guarantee you that I keep myself in check and try to set a good example at all times. And I can say the same for many of the people I met: fallenauthority, Jim (Auto RS T), Bartles and crew, Jeremy and the rest of VA, all of WMDSM, etc....


PS - I pretty much agree with Quest4Boost's above mine as well.

Paul, we acutally met (I think) and you seemed pretty cool. (I think you played beer pong with our crew, I watched). I'm sorry I offended, but from my perception I thought you were mocking me with sarcasm as TimG did. If you were suggesting something else, then I heartfully apologize for wrapping you into the same group. I guess the difference between us is, I am the same person no matter where I am. I act the same way no matter the situation. Part of that may be attributed to the fact that I really don't drink much. Friday night, I had 2, thats right TWO, beers over 2 hours at the BW. Then went back to the hotel and got a good buzz. Saturday night I didn't even go to the BW. We did other LEGAL things like go-karts and video games.

Don't get me wrong, I believe you could have a good time. Being loud and annoying by revving your engine, blowing-off, stuttering, etc. is having a good time. But burnouts and donuts WHILE YOU'RE DRUNK is breaking the law.

Again the differences in our demographics are VERY apparent. It would seem the only thing we have in common is our love for cars.

**edit** I wrote this a while ago I just pushed the "preview post" button.

That being the case I must also extend my apology to TimG. I realize that the comment about "internet muscle" real plucked on tune on my harp of nervers.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

Justin posted the link for modified on team-trinity.com figured i'd post them here also since this WAS a thread for pictures/footage from the ShootOut not some BS conflict of ppl acting up

these are the cars that came along with our caravan from team trinity also

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Dang jeremy those are really good.

 

[99gst_racer]

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found this video on aol

Is that Al (dynoflash) narrating this video? Kind of sounds like him.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

yeah he has more videos of pre-race dynos and such on his youtube also

 

[gsxAWDdsm692]

mmm Drama.

 

[99gst_racer]

Paul, we acutally met (I think) and you seemed pretty cool. (I think you played beer pong with our crew, I watched). I'm sorry I offended, but from my perception I thought you were mocking me with sarcasm as TimG did. If you were suggesting something else, then I heartfully apologize for wrapping you into the same group. I guess the difference between us is, I am the same person no matter where I am. I act the same way no matter the situation. Part of that may be attributed to the fact that I really don't drink much. Friday night, I had 2, thats right TWO, beers over 2 hours at the BW. Then went back to the hotel and got a good buzz. Saturday night I didn't even go to the BW. We did other LEGAL things like go-karts and video games.

Don't get me wrong, I believe you could have a good time. Being loud and annoying by revving your engine, blowing-off, stuttering, etc. is having a good time. But burnouts and donuts WHILE YOU'RE DRUNK is breaking the law.

Again the differences in our demographics are VERY apparent. It would seem the only thing we have in common is our love for cars.

Did we meet? I met so many new people; I wish I could remember them all. My beer consumption definitely didn't help with remembering either.

It's cool. I just got upset from your first post, but it was just a misunderstanding. I definitely was not mocking you; Just quoting Tim is all.

Overall, other than 5 or 6 idiots, everyone was fine. The open house was fun, and meeting new people over a couple brewskies was fun as well.

 

[SBstar]

It's amazing what kind of conversations/arguments can come out of simple things on the internet...Moving on from that the shootout was a blast! Definately missed the racing but getting to go twice will more then make up for it I may even be able to bring my car this time around. Many thanks go out to Dave and the rest of the Buschur crew for putting this event on every year!