No fuel filter on pump?

[seth98es]

I just removed my fuel pump on my 90 Talon TSi. As I was taking out the pump I heard a small "thud" but I whink it was the floater getting stuck. When I pulled the pump out there was no fuel filter on the end of the pump. I took out a flash light and looked in the tank and found nothing. Is it possible to run without one? Did I break it off and it is in my tank somewhere?

Im not sure what to think, I'll check again, but I did not see anything in the tank. Please reply fast as I have to get the car back together today. All input is appriciated, thanks

[Edit]
For the wiring, it looks like I have to crimp termianls on both? On the vFaq it said I could use the ring on the ground but theres no where to bolt it down?

 

[GSX20]

The fuel filter is located on the firewall behind the battery. So it can't be in your fuel tank.

 

[CyberEye]

The fuel filter is located on the firewall behind the battery. So it can't be in your fuel tank.

I think he means the little mesh bag on the pump

 

[oldman]

Do you see any signs of the filter mounting at the end of the pump? If so look in the pump again. The stock one is kinda yellowish see through so might be hard to see. Call around on Monday and see if they sell the filter by itself. I would not run it without it. Good luck.

 

[seth98es]

Well I bought a Walbro 190 and it has its own filter so I dont need to buy one. THe little cap that holds the filter onto the pump is still there so I guess there never was one. But now I have the Walbro in and wired up and my dumb car will not start. Does not even crank over anymore :thumbdown

 

[Logue]

dead battery??

 

[seth98es]

Well its weird. It cranked over once then stopped. So I thought dead battery. So I put the charger on 12v start for a few minutes and it cranked 5 or 6 times but did not start. So I waited a bit more and tried and nothing. Not even a click from the starter. I let it charge for awhile more and still nothing. The battery seems fine, popups pop-up, lights turn on(not the headlights though) but it sitll wont crank over. Anyone have any ideas? Did my ECU get fried somehow?

I do have a POS alarm on there and it is not locking/unlocking the doors anymore, I thought that was weird :thumbdown

 

[oldman]

Don't put the trunk cover on yet so you can hear if the pump comes on and nothing is leaking. Also check the mpi fuse near the positive terminal on the battery. Did you have a problem which led you to change the pump?

 

[seth98es]

It seemed to cut out ocassionally lately. And on highway drives it would do this crap:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164147

Ive tried everything, plugs, wires, filter, and nobody helped me out so I just assumed it was the fuel pump...

 

[seth98es]

When should the pump turn on? Should it turn on when the key is turned to the ACC position?

 

[trevor_shiggs]

When should the pump turn on? Should it turn on when the key is turned to the ACC position?

The "On" Possition

 

[seth98es]

Ok, Ignition fuse got blown. I guess when I hooked up the battery charger. Replaced it, cranked it 8-10 times and it did not start. Turned it to the "On" position, didnt here the pump whine. Un-did the fuel line and no fuel. Obviously the pump never even turned on.

But how coudl I hook it up wrong? Alls I did was solder on a longer wire to each wire(pos and grnd), crimped connectors on both power and ground and connected them. I used heat shrink over both solders and over both terminals. I hooked the positive up to the side with the + and the grnd up to the -. Is there a way to hook up the pump outside the tank or would it hurt it to run it out of the tank? Also, the MPI fuse was fine, is there another fuse that controls the fuel pump that could have blown somehow?

[Edit]
Wait, in this picture I see another black wire? What is it for? Where does it go?

 

[oldman]

Was this walbro brand new? It could be bad. There are only two wires you need to worry about, + and -.

 

[seth98es]

He said it was new, I bought it from this auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...&item=7951788571&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:IT

Arg now taht I look at it, it did not come with those wires, the zip tie, or the rubber sleave in the picture. Im going to email him.

 

[G-UNIT]

uh, looks like you didn't ground the ring terminal to the sending unit.

& the fuel pump does not turn on when the ignition is in the on position.
only while cranking & running.

the filter you are talking about on the fuel pump is called the "strainer".

 

[seth98es]

That picture is from Vfaq, I only have 2 wires hooked up the power and ground. Where is the other wire that needs hooked up?

 

[G-UNIT]

That picture is from Vfaq, I only have 2 wires hooked up the power and ground. Where is the other wire that needs hooked up?

that's all you need to make it work.

black get's grounded to the sending unit & red gets 12 volts.

make sure you use the same grounding point as the factory pump & the screw & hole are not stripped. otherwise you will need to drill another hole or use a bigger screw or bolt.

sounds like you have the wires mixed up.

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are you using the same grounding point ? the hole on the left ?

BTW, i could have got you a denso supra pump for $156.00.

 

[oldman]

That picture is from Vfaq, I only have 2 wires hooked up the power and ground. Where is the other wire that needs hooked up?

If you didn't get the wire from the guy how did you plug the wires into the new pump, definitely get all the accessories from him. For that price you should have gone with at least a 190. I just did my install last week, there are only two wires. That pick from vfaq I suspect was taken before the riginal ground wire was removed.

edit: It is 190, for some reason I thought you said 150 before.

 

[seth98es]

Yah 190. I dont have them swapped. THe ground is groudned to where the stock was grouned. The wires are not swapped. The ground goes to teh side with the negative and the power wire goes to the side with the positive sign on the top of the pump. I crimped on some terminals that fit snug onto the fittings on the pump and used heat shrink on top of those. My connections arent bad, they are soldered and heatshrinked. The connector for the pump was plugged in while I tried starting it as well. I swear crap like this happens to me all the time :thumbdown

 

[oldman]

So you're saying yu used the stock wires and soldered them into the plug on the new pump? Are you sure you didn't reverse the wires?

 

[seth98es]

This is waht I did. I soldered on two extension wires to the stock power and ground wires. I then crimped on 2 terminals to the end of the wires and pushed them onto the fuel pump. The power wire is on the + terminal and the ground is on the - terminal on the pump. I just dont understand why it is not turning on.

Is the only fuse that would affect the pump be the mpi fuse?

 

[oldman]

Humm...that sounds ok..Did you plug the pump back in the trunk? MPI is the only fuse I know but there could be others. Trace the line all the way back to the battery and see if it goes throught the fuse box for now and hopefully some one with more knowlege in this matter would respond to your question later.

 

[seth98es]

Ok I removed the pump, tripple checked all the connections, put it back and the pump turned on but now the top of the pump assembly leaks like old faithful. I swear, if its not one thing its another.

Now I have to find a new pump assembly, or is there an easy way to fix the leak? The stupid thing is all rusted and corroded anyway, Id probably be better off replacing it.

 

[oldman]

You bent the line pretty bad uh, you should've disconnected the line at the front of the tank instead. I beleive a new one would cost about $400 but you can try and find one in the junk yard. Call states like fl, az, or ca where there aren't salt, most of them up here are rusty like yours and mine. Sorry, good luck.

 

[seth98es]

I took it off under the car, but I had to bend it a bit to get the hose under the sheet metal. Ah well looks like I will go find a used one. I doubt autozone will have them?