No EVOIII Big 16G Guys "CHECK THIS OUT PLEASE"

[alan305z]

well guys a few weeks ago i bought a turbo from someone , i went with my friend that knows about turbos (i mean conditions, no sizes or part numbers) and this guy told me that this one was the EvoIII Big 16g , i believed him but now that i checked the series of this turbo its Mitsubishi Part 49178-05200 so that means that is the one called Mitsubishi 16G Turbo 340hp ,Mitsubishi TD05H 16G 7cm2 Turbocharger . im not pissed cause this just cost me 230 bucks but now that i know this im kind of confuse, is this the one they call Small 16g? or just the regular 16G?? UMM i need ## help guys.. and should i expect the same with this turbo that i was expecting for the EvoIII Big 16g on terms of performance like spooling time and top end power and most important my goal that was 300whp is this turbo gonna get me there?? i already have my SAFC2,255LPH, EVOVIII Intercooler,APEXi turboback just missing the injectors cause i havent decide it yet which injectors would be the better choice 550cc or 650cc Remember guys 300whp only .. need info ,thanks guys.

 

[98GSXtreme07]

550's are enough to get you to your 300hp goal. As far as your turbo question, not sure. Good luck.

 

[JMiller]

I think if it has a 7cm2 hot side then its a Evo3 16g, not 100% sure. Do a quick search, I'm sure you'll find all the info you need.

 

[knochgoon24]

There is no "small" evo 3 16g. You have what most just call the Evo 3 16g.

 

[alan305z]

There is no "small" evo 3 16g. You have what most just call the Evo 3 16g.

well i just check rite now its series number *Mitsubishi Part 49178-05200 so that means its the one called Small 16 turbo .. this is the link..

Mitsubishi DSM Small 16G Turbo - Turbo Accessories - Turbo - DSMparts.com

and this is the other link for the series number of the turbo ,mitsubishi part
Mitsubishi 16G Turbo 340hp - Turbochargers.com

 

[mephist0]

Got pics?

 

[knochgoon24]

Just look at this and match up the number.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/313105-16g-serial-numbers.html

 

[alan305z]

Just look at this and match up the number.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/313105-16g-serial-numbers.html

on the compressor housing is # 49178-05200 so it is the small 16g..

 

[1stGenTSi]

Yeah, it's a Small 16g. Tell him you want some/all of your money back since he misrepresented it as an Evo III. It will be a great turbo for your 300hp goal though.

 

[knochgoon24]

The small 16g is smaller, therefore less peak hp.
The big 16g is bigger, and can support more hp.
The evo 3 16g flows better than the big 16g, but spools up somewhere in the middle. More air = more power.

All three will let you reach the same approx hp.

 

[JMiller]

Well since you know what turbo it is, its time to answer your question about power. The small 16g has a very quick spool up (which might not be to good on a fwd) and the top end power isn't the best. For top end power and a decent spool time(not to fast thought) i would recommend either a 20g or a 50 trim. Thats just my opinion though. Small, Big or EVO3 you still got a pretty good deal.

 

[fwdmaster]

Part number 49178-05200 is indeed a small 16g, I would go with 650 injectors and max out that s16g

 

[JusMX141]

Small 16G's wear either of two part numbers: 49178-05200, 49178-01520.

If he led you to believe you were buying an Evo III, that was a d!ck move on the sellers part unless he truly didn't know what he had. In his defense, it's up to YOU, the buyer, to be informed on the product you're buying as well. You could've researched the part number before you bought the turbo.

However, both the Small 16G and Evo III come with almost identical price tags when new, so if you got a turbo that doesn't have shaft play or use oil then you truly got what you paid for no matter which one of the two it is.

Do a little reading on the Small 16G- it's not as "small" as you think it is....

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/318980-difference-between-small-16g-big-16g.html

Credits to DSM-onster for his wealth of useful information.

 

[JayRolla]

Dont be scared to run that turbo. They can push a lot of air. I bet if someone ran one on e85 or race gas at high boost levels that it would perform close to the evo 16g with better spool time.

 

[toofast82]

The only way to really tell is take off the compressor housing and measure the inducer/exducer. I have a 18g that uses the same housing casting #. I feel the s16g is a great street turbo. Many have gone low 12s on it! I knew someone that put down 310whp with regrind cams and one of those Bulldog smim that they used to sell on ebay at 21psi!

 

[My1GLaser]

Check out dsm-onster's recent thread on the small 16g... http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/318980-difference-between-small-16g-big-16g.html

You are probably better off than if it was a big 16g according to him...and he knows his shit.

$230 isn't bad at all if its in good shape. The EVO 16g is a better turbo though.

Edit: I didn't realize the thread I linked was already mentioned above.

 

[turbogst98]

Well since you know what turbo it is, its time to answer your question about power. The small 16g has a very quick spool up (which might not be to good on a fwd) and the top end power isn't the best. For top end power and a decent spool time(not to fast thought) i would recommend either a 20g or a 50 trim. Thats just my opinion though. Small, Big or EVO3 you still got a pretty good deal.

i go with what he said
i have a 20g on my car and its awsome in bottom end
you dont want to much power to the wheels when your front wheel drive and launching

 

[dsm-onster]

Lift

 

[turbogst98]

Lift

lift?

 

[MrBoxx]

As in "lift" your foot off the gas pedal if you start to spin your wheels.

The vast majority of people have trouble achieving 300hp with the 16g turbos, regardless of flavor. It seems people have this idea in their heads that Evo3 + 550cc injectors = 300hp automatically. It will take lots of tuning, dyno time, track time, and SUPPORTING MODS to get to 300hp reliably. If you've just got a 255lph pump with no AFPR, then that's first on your list. You've got an SAFC2 so you can start tuning, but what are you using to DATALOG? Do you have a wideband O2? These are things that should be taken care of, even before you mount that turbo up.

 

[turbogst98]

As in "lift" your foot off the gas pedal if you start to spin your wheels.

The vast majority of people have trouble achieving 300hp with the 16g turbos, regardless of flavor. It seems people have this idea in their heads that Evo3 + 550cc injectors = 300hp automatically. It will take lots of tuning, dyno time, track time, and SUPPORTING MODS to get to 300hp reliably. If you've just got a 255lph pump with no AFPR, then that's first on your list. You've got an SAFC2 so you can start tuning, but what are you using to DATALOG? Do you have a wideband O2? These are things that should be taken care of, even before you mount that turbo up.

o i do its just some peoples feet are heavy

 

[dsm-onster]

What I am saying is that your lag (15psi at 3500rpms) is equal to my small 16g at 22psi at 3500rpms at 1/2 throttle. Yo can't go fast with a FWD and not have self-control. Why waste the money on a more expensive laggier turbo for the later spool speed, when you can work on your pedal modulation at 1st and 2nd. The good thing about my setup is that I have more power under the curve at 3rd-5th. If you're going for more poer than a 16g can deliver, then go for the laggier turbo. If not then the best modification is yourself. Which 20g do you have td06 or td05h?

A logger will teach you where to lift before you lose it. . . on a track where the surface is consistant, of course.

Eric is 100% correct. Nearly 100hp per cylinder is a feat that others around you may be amazed or even laugh at.

 

[alan305z]

thank you guys for all info!! i i also have the aem wideband and FPR and automoter gauges also a greddy electronic boost controller. just gotta hook it up..