New Pics of my Roll Cage

[larryd]

Originally posted by GRNDSM
>You are an insane man though, a 60-1 and nitrous?

What do you mean? 60-1 pretty much needs nitrous to run well. Otherwise, you are looking at a lot of lag between the shifts.

Eric is doing it the right way! Well, I suppose you can also get an automatic tranny.

Leon
RR

bah.. you dont need nitrous to spool a 60-1. It wont exactly be a VERY streetable turbo for most DSMers but it can still get out of its own way. Im just saying that he can run into the low 11s with the turbo alone.

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by DSMu4ia
Looks nice.
You do realize that Summit box isn't legal for any sanctioning body, and some of the techs will twist their panties into several loops before passing it correct?

I'm aware, though it passed tech last yeay, but I suppose this is a slightly different car this year. The Battery IS securely strapped down, with brackets and j-bolts through the rear crossmember. If I have to get a better box I will.

 

[DELTA_Rotary]

90GSX I live in Louisville and have been looking for a nice cage with swingouts like yours. Could you shoot me a price what HPH charge me. Also I heard last year you guy were getting a AWD dyno. Is that going to happen anytime soon? My DSM mechanic is moving away and Im going to need some engine building soon after I try and stick this L3R on my Talon

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
90GSX I live in Louisville and have been looking for a nice cage with swingouts like yours. Could you shoot me a price what HPH charge me. Also I heard last year you guy were getting a AWD dyno. Is that going to happen anytime soon? My DSM mechanic is moving away and Im going to need some engine building soon after I try and stick this L3R on my Talon

Check your PM's.

 

[GRNDSM]

Originally posted by larryd


bah.. you dont need nitrous to spool a 60-1. It wont exactly be a VERY streetable turbo for most DSMers but it can still get out of its own way. Im just saying that he can run into the low 11s with the turbo alone.

Have YOU tried it? I have... I wasted half of last year with it... This turbo sucks without nitrous on a 5sp car. You CAN NOT lift in-between of your shift to make good power out of it. And you need to rev it past 8000rpms to minimize the lag after the shift. So you are looking at constantly making 8000+rpm shifts, without lifting. Assuming that you are good enough driver to do so, DSM 5sp trannys still do not like to shift that high and that hard .

Leon
RR

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by GRNDSM


Have YOU tried it? I have... I wasted half of last year with it... This turbo sucks without nitrous on a 5sp car. You CAN NOT lift in-between of your shift to make good power out of it. And you need to rev it past 8000rpms to minimize the lag after the shift. So you are looking at constantly making 8000+rpm shifts, without lifting. Assuming that you are good enough driver to do so, DSM 5sp trannys still do not like to shift that high and that hard .

Leon
RR

You didn't try the 60-1 w/ Nitrous on your car did you? If so how did that work out?

 

[GRNDSM]

No, I don't really want nitrous to make my car run well. I can see using it on occasion to set personal best or when having a "very important" heads-up race, but I wanted to run well with out it first.

You shouldn't have as much of a problem as I had because I had Stage 5 exhaust side. But it will not be much better ether...

If you can, try to get yourself boost logger. It will be very helpful.

Leon
RR

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by GRNDSM
No, I don't really want nitrous to make my car run well. I can see using it on occasion to set personal best or when having a "very important" heads-up race, but I wanted to run well with out it first.

You shouldn't have as much of a problem as I had because I had Stage 5 exhaust side. But it will not be much better ether...

If you can, try to get yourself boost logger. It will be very helpful.

Leon
RR

Were you running the stg V wheel in a .63 housing or .82?

I do log boost, it is very helpful.

 

[GRNDSM]

It was .63 AR housing, I hate to even imagine what it would have been like with .82 AR housing .

Leon
RR

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by GRNDSM


Have YOU tried it? I have... I wasted half of last year with it... This turbo sucks without nitrous on a 5sp car. You CAN NOT lift in-between of your shift to make good power out of it. And you need to rev it past 8000rpms to minimize the lag after the shift. So you are looking at constantly making 8000+rpm shifts, without lifting. Assuming that you are good enough driver to do so, DSM 5sp trannys still do not like to shift that high and that hard .

Leon
RR

Not personally but a good friend has, I know it was pretty laggy but I wouldnt say he needed nitrous to spool it.

 

[Unreal]

My 60-1 experience was the same as GRNDSM. Car was much slower than with a 50 trim, cause it took forever to spool inbetween shifts.

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by Unreal
My 60-1 experience was the same as GRNDSM. Car was much slower than with a 50 trim, cause it took forever to spool inbetween shifts.

All of these 'old school' t3/t4 (50, 60, 60-1, .48, .63, .82 5bolt etc..) are so cheap now, I think I'll buy like 3 more different combinations and keep with whichever one is fastest.

Or pickup a GT....

 

[na90dsm]

where did you get the roll cage. looks sweet man

 

[GRNDSM]

Originally posted by larryd


Not personally but a good friend has, I know it was pretty laggy but I wouldnt say he needed nitrous to spool it.

So... what did he run?

Leon
RR

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by na90dsm
where did you get the roll cage. looks sweet man

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=317085#post317085

Thanks,

 

[kilurv8]

Where did you get the carpet material from? I am looking for car carpeting to do the back area of my car since I have had my cage put in. Thanks for the help.

BTW, cage looks great.

 

[90GSX]

Originally posted by kilurv8
Where did you get the carpet material from? I am looking for car carpeting to do the back area of my car since I have had my cage put in. Thanks for the help.

BTW, cage looks great.

Ha! Home Depot. It's indoor/outdoor marine carpeting. It's very soft and very thick & heavy with a rubberized backing material. I hope it holds up well. I bought a piece large enough to do the whole car, like 6X8 for $20.

Thanks,

 

[Tallen]

nice welding. props to ya

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by GRNDSM


So... what did he run?

Leon
RR

12.1 @ 117 on 94 octane. He was trying to prove a point about pump gas

 

[rdrkt]

Yeah I have the BR57 which is just a PTE 60-1 t3/t4 with a .82 are PTE housing. I didn’t think it was THAT laggy. The only problem was the 1-2 shift. Even on my stock tranny with a lot of passes on it I could still hit it “good enough”. I am thinking the double cone syncro second should help me out a lot with that this season.

I really loved the top end on that turbo. It would pull so hard over 100mph that is was scary. The turbo is laggy enough that I think its ET and trap weren’t the best reflection of how much power it was actually making. My car at that time was FULL WEIGHT so playing around with the numbers that is about 400 or so the wheels. With a stand alone for tuning as opposed to my safc 1g MAS forget about it. I would have done so much better AND it would have spooled quicker.

I had a 1g MAS hacked to hell and a SAFC for fuel control. On my 12.1@117 pass my the two bolts holding on my wastgate backed out so I don’t know how good my boost control was on the ass end of that run. I think I could have done a 120 or more on 94 octane if I had a little more time. Unfortunately my oil pump decided to die so I lost the motor and decided to go all out.

If I were you I would want to be in the low 12s with a nice BPU killing trap on pump gas and mid 11s on c16 off the bottle. Then on the bottle you should really be hitting VERY low 11s or high 10s depending of course on your tuning, traction and tranny.

 

[GRNDSM]

Oh yea, the good old "pump gas excuse" . I do not want to get off another tangent here (we have done it enough), but on a good day, pump gas numbers can be almost as good as race gas numbers. The problem with pump gas is that you never know what you get. And the next day you can knock really bad at just 10psi. That is why I do not believe into it. You run it the best you can, period, do not use "pump gas excuse".

Having said that. 12.1 @ 117 just proves my point! (on any gas, because he had decent trap speed)

60-1 makes any driver look incompetent! 117 mph can be good for 11.5's under ideal conditions (with a good turbo). Good to average runs should be in the 11.7-11.9 range.

12.1 is pretty bad...

But I am not calling him a bad driver. I had a bunch similar runs (11.8-11.9 @120-122mph) when I did my regular shifts. It took very sticky track, shifting at 8300 without lifting (NOT AN EASY TASK) to run 11.4 at 123mph. At that point, I realized that this turbo is just not good for a 5 sp car without N2O...

Leon
RR

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by GRNDSM
Having said that. 12.1 @ 117 just proves my point! (on any gas, because he had decent trap speed)

60-1 makes any driver look incompetent! 117 mph can be good for 11.5's under ideal conditions (with a good turbo). Good to average runs should be in the 11.7-11.9 range.

12.1 is pretty bad...

But I am not calling him a bad driver. I had a bunch similar runs (11.8-11.9 @120-122mph) when I did my regular shifts. It took very sticky track, shifting at 8300 without lifting (NOT AN EASY TASK) to run 11.4 at 123mph. At that point, I realized that this turbo is just not good for a 5 sp car without N2O...

11.5 would be super ideal but I think I could have managed a few more tenths and maybe another mph or two if it wasn’t so laggy. On my 12.1 run I had a 1.78 60 ft so yeah I guess it does make me look kinda bad. If you wanted to run on pump gas though a 50 trim would make the same power but have a lot less lag. Anyway sorry to bring this off course.

 

[DSMotorsport]

I agree with GRNDSM
here's my firsthand experience with a 50 trim and a 60-1 T3T4 hybrid...
both stage 3 wheel both .63 AR housing (the same housing in fact!)

50 trim 11.00 @ 125 mph 1.602 60' 28psi AF ratio ???
60-1 11.32 @ 128mph 1.56X 60' 28-30psi AF ratio ~12.0 to 12.4
60-1 w/ 50 shot 10.85 @ 127.7 1.532 60' 30psi AF ratio 10:1

the spoolup on the 50 was great.....lifting shifts..still goin 11.0s
60-1 mashing shifts even with a better 60' it will ET like ASS from response on shifts and no boost in 1st gear. (my WB02 logger shows max 17psi before Id shift 1-2)

on the one pass I tried launching with the nitrous it ran good on 1-2 best 60', best 1/8 mile....but that was 12th attempt pass with nitrous(was way too rich anyway, and jetted rich..kept fouling a plug..and I was scared!!!) and bottle pressure was like 800 at start...i think that's why really no mph gain vs without it.

the nitrous sure helped the spoolup. I certainly won't run a 60-1 on a 2.0L engine without nitrous again and hope it ro ET well.

2.4L engine or nitrous..and it's good to go I think will see about the 2.4 part this year. most likely with a PTE 60-1

 

[dsm_illicious]

uuuugh, that's friggin pimp juice...I want one. noice

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I have a 50 trim, and can upgrade to a 60-1 for just about nothing. The only thing that concerns me is using the 60-1 with the straight TDO6 turbine wheel in a 7cm. Not sure it can get all of the air out that a 60-1 can put in. This talk of running faster on 50 trims also has me listening. Now my question is this. There are poeple running the 60-1 in the form of a FP red that dont seem to have this much trouble with lag. I have to assume the stage 5 wheel is going to have a much more profound effect on lag than the 60-1 wheel does. But I'll have to look at the 50 trim and 60-1 maps again to see the difference in wheel rpm to get the same boost...