new guy with lots of questions regarding the 4g63

[cletus84]

so this will be my questions thread i will post all my questions in this one thread to try and keep the forum clean as i can.

a friend and i started talking about engine swaps for my 92 S10 2wd ext cab he talked me into a 4g63 swap i have no clue about these engines other than they can produce 600 HP on stock internals .

obviously this will be a RWD set up although JRSTANGE would like to see me do a AWD set up .

i will be mating the first or second gen 4g63 to a T6 i have a few issues already that i did search for but cant find .
1. do they make a rear sump pan for the 4g63 for RWD swaps ?

2. the throttle body faces the rear of the engine this wont work for what i need i would like to use the first gen block to try to stay away from the dreaded crank walk as much as i can.
ive read that if i use a second gen head on a first gen block i can use a EVO 8/9 intake to face the throttle body to the front can anyone confirm this for me ?

im shooting for 500 to 550 hp with bolt on's and a bigger turbo
ill guess i will shut up now and go back to reading about these engines now thank you in advance for the help guys .

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Jmf makes a rwd
Facing intake manifold

Sounds fun!

I know theres another vendor here somewhere that produces chevy to mitsu trans adapter plates.

My neighbour has an s10 and i always chirp at him to throw a 4g in but he won't .

 

[cletus84]

Jmf makes a rwd
Facing intake manifold

Sounds fun!

I know theres another vendor here somewhere that produces chevy to mitsu trans adapter plates.

My neighbour has an s10 and i always chirp at him to throw a 4g in but he won't .

thank you ill check out JMF for the intake depending on how much response on this i get ill throw up my build but until then you can follow it here Project Patches 2.0 - S-10 Forum

 

[zcox122]

:: Project Zero G :: this might help its all about 4g rwd swaps

 

[crash89]

God damnit!! Ive been tossing this idea around for a couple years. I just dont have the funds to do a project like this. Im not sure about the oil pan, you might want to look into a dry sump for the oil supply. You REALLY need to think about funds for this. Also fabrication skills? You're going to need both. Parts for this kind of project are NOT going to be cheap. Trust me Ive looked into it.

Dave Buschur makes an adaptor plate for the 4g and chevy transmissions. If I can recall, theyre around 300$. Yes you could use an Evo 8/9 intake manifold, or like Urban said we have vendors that make them, again not cheap. Also remember you're going to have to pretty much use an entire 2g wiring harness and completely make your own for the truck. .

First, is this going to strictly be a track truck or something you can drive on the street comfortably?

Things to keep in mind.
*Intercooler and pipes, how are you going to fabricate or purchase.

*Coolant feed and thermostat. The thermostat housing and coolant fill is on the rear of the block. This
will be right in the firewall of the truck and makes for a super long and gawdy coolant hose.

*fuel system and lines. Keeping the stock tank and running braided lines or eliminating it and running a fuel cell? Mounted where?

*Exhaust manifold/turbo set up. Are you planning on a "stock" location manifold or maybe some kind of custom tubular forward facing unit. Again, fabrication is going to come into play.

*Exhaust itself. Are you planning on a full length exhaust or just going to dump it out the side?

*Rear end. The stock s10 rear end will not hold that kind of power. Not to mention the stock leaf suspension most likely wont help. I mean you can try it but will most likely break it your first launch.

These are just some things I thought about when I was pondering this swap.

Edit, just saw your thread posted on s10 forums. The 240 rear end is a nice idea, again the fabrication will come into play!! Also your goals on a 20g will most likely not be met. You'd be lucky to get mid/high 400s out of that. Still a great turbo set up for that light of a platform though.

 

[Jpotter94]

my buddy has a s10 and im trying to talk hi into this. Keep this updated

 

[cletus84]

God damnit!! Ive been tossing this idea around for a couple years. I just dont have the funds to do a project like this. Im not sure about the oil pan, you might want to look into a dry sump for the oil supply. You REALLY need to think about funds for this. Also fabrication skills? You're going to need both. Parts for this kind of project are NOT going to be cheap. Trust me Ive looked into it.

Dave Buschur makes an adaptor plate for the 4g and chevy transmissions. If I can recall, theyre around 300$. Yes you could use an Evo 8/9 intake manifold, or like Urban said we have vendors that make them, again not cheap. Also remember you're going to have to pretty much use an entire 2g wiring harness and completely make your own for the truck. .

First, is this going to strictly be a track truck or something you can drive on the street comfortably?


street / track dont really mind being comfortable as im use to hot rods and customs from the 50's

Things to keep in mind.
*Intercooler and pipes, how are you going to fabricate or purchase.


will fab up on my own got a butt load of stainless to use

*Coolant feed and thermostat. The thermostat housing and coolant fill is on the rear of the block. This
will be right in the firewall of the truck and makes for a super long and gawdy coolant hose.


hum any ideas ? kind of stumped on this one

*fuel system and lines. Keeping the stock tank and running braided lines or eliminating it and running a fuel cell? Mounted where?


fuel cell mounted behind the IRS tucked up in to the bed a little

*Exhaust manifold/turbo set up. Are you planning on a "stock" location manifold or maybe some kind of custom tubular forward facing unit. Again, fabrication is going to come into play.


forward facing again build myself out of stainless

*Exhaust itself. Are you planning on a full length exhaust or just going to dump it out the side?


dump outside of one of the bed sides like nascar dose

*Rear end. The stock s10 rear end will not hold that kind of power. Not to mention the stock leaf suspension most likely wont help. I mean you can try it but will most likely break it your first launch.

These are just some things I thought about when I was pondering this swap.

Edit, just saw your thread posted on s10 forums. The 240 rear end is a nice idea, again the fabrication will come into play!! Also your goals on a 20g will most likely not be met. You'd be lucky to get mid/high 400s out of that. Still a great turbo set up for that light of a platform though.

again ill have to fab every aspect of this truck luckley for me i do this stuff for a living the only thing that will put a hold on this is the harness i really think the amount of fab will be worth it in the end this is going to be a blast to drive around

my buddy has a s10 and im trying to talk hi into this. Keep this updated

will do i did not think this would be this accepting on here this build wont take off till spring time right now im collecting parts

 

[bryanwheat]

Jmf makes a rwd
Facing intake manifold

Sounds fun!

I know theres another vendor here somewhere that produces chevy to mitsu trans adapter plates.

My neighbour has an s10 and i always chirp at him to throw a 4g in but he won't .

Bill hitcher makes bell housings to bolt the 4g63 right to a t56. Oil pan will be the hardest. It will need to be fully custom.

 

[SaulHudson]

You can't make 600 on stock internals for more than 1 pull.

 

[bryanwheat]

You can't make 600 on stock internals for more than 1 pull.

Bullshit, it's all in the tuning, it can definitely be done, and has. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/389241-621whp-553tq-stock-block-ostar-motorsports.html

 

[bryanwheat]

Some cars can do it but why chance it that's my two cents.

No one asked if he should do it. Someone made a comment that it can't be done, but it has been done. Is it a good idea to try, probably not unless you are an excellent tuner.

 

[Insomniac13]

I agree with the possibility of 600 HP on stock internals, depending on the fuel being used and the tune and whatnot. If you're worried about fabricating the harness, look into a standalone EMS that comes with a custom harness.
I would love to see this project become reality, I absolutely love race trucks
Holset turbos will support that kind of power, are durable as hell, and can be had for cheap on the cummins forums.
Good luck!

 

[lasthope05]

The 2g head/evo8-9 intake mani will work. You just need to weld up the injector bosses as evo injectors are mounted on the intake vs a dsm on the head. If you want to be cheap, Evo 8-9 stock exhaust manifold/turbo can be used and turbo(evo 9) can be later upgraded.

Stock motor will easily meet your goals but for added insurance I would have the rod bolts replaced with arp's and have the rods reconditioned.

As for oil pan. That would have to be custom.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yes I read that and the articled on ostar and the dsm that made stock horsepower. Possible yes and has it been done of course these engine have been around long enough for people to play with.

 

[lasthope05]

The stock block record is 749whp by Ostar.

 

[cletus84]

I will go threw the whole block may do forged internals as well to me there is no point just to slap in a engine with out the very least replacing all the seals and bearings more than likely it will stay around the 500 hp mark and odds are ill just use a MS3 for a standalone

To me the biggest hurdle is the water outlet on what would be the back of the block I was going to do a wire tuck as well but the water outlet is bugging me it has to be super clean install I have OCD when it comes to stuff like this

The 2g head/evo8-9 intake mani will work. You just need to weld up the injector bosses as evo injectors are mounted on the intake vs a dsm on the head. If you want to be cheap, Evo 8-9 stock exhaust manifold/turbo can be used and turbo(evo 9) can be later upgraded.

Stock motor will easily meet your goals but for added insurance I would have the rod bolts replaced with arp's and have the rods reconditioned.

As for oil pan. That would have to be custom.

Could I use the Evo injector bosses for NOS? Not planning on this but if I do that it would be down the road figure I could plug em with pipe plugs in the meantime

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yes that's impressive they said well keep going and they did and the results were very impressive, you just never know. it wasn't planned that way, versus me If I know it wont hold on too long ill just get parts that will hold up for the long run over stock but to each his or her own.

 

[lasthope05]

I will go threw the whole block may do forged internals as well to me there is no point just to slap in a engine with out the very least replacing all the seals and bearings more than likely it will stay around the 500 hp mark and odds are ill just use a MS3 for a standalone

To me the biggest hurdle is the water outlet on what would be the back of the block I was going to do a wire tuck as well but the water outlet is bugging me it has to be super clean install I have OCD when it comes to stuff like this



Could I use the Evo injector bosses for NOS? Not planning on this but if I do that it would be down the road figure I could plug em with pipe plugs in the meantime

The water outlet is not complicated. Block of the stock location on and pop out the freeze plug on the other size of the head and weld a piece of tubing and flange for the thermostat housing. Water pump is done the same way. Attach a freeze plug the water pipe location and knock out the one in front and weld a pipe to the end.

You cant use the injector bosses because relieves are not cut into the stock 2g head. Either way it is a cast manifold so you drill and tap the runners anywhere for direct port.

 

[cletus84]

The water outlet is not complicated. Block of the stock location on and pop out the freeze plug on the other size of the head and weld a piece of tubing and flange for the thermostat housing. Water pump is done the same way. Attach a freeze plug the water pipe location and knock out the one in front and weld a pipe to the end.

You cant use the injector bosses because relieves are not cut into the stock 2g head. Either way it is a cast manifold so you drill and tap the runners anywhere for direct port.

Do you have a picture of said mod to the head to re route the water inlet to the other side of the head ? Don't sound to hard but my brain can't picture it sorry

 

[lasthope05]

Stock

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Mod for RWD(just moving to the other side)

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Then just put a block off plate on the other side. Nothing really too complicated in a rwd 46g3. Biggest thing is deciding what trans you want to run. Check out the link zcox122 posted. That has pretty much all the information you'll need on it.

 

[cletus84]

Thank you I see now that clears it up big time I'm really glad I joined this site lots of good info and help