need bottom end build help!!

[pandadsm]

i want my motor to withstand 30psi from my 70trim... what pistons and rods might you suggest?

 

[boostedorbusted]

what is the hp goal? 30 psi on a 70trim is alot. i would say at least a good h beam rod (manly,eagle) and some good pistons (ross,wiesco). is it going to be a 2.0 , 2.3 , 2.1 destroke ? need more info.

 

[boostedorbusted]

and i hope you know 1 hell of a tuner.

 

[N1te]

How much experience do you have with working on cars? What kind of budget are you working with?

 

[Oliver@Slowboy]

What are you power goals? What is your budget? is this a daily driver or a dedicated track car? I will send you a PM.

Oliver
[email protected]

 

[inneed4dsm]

Hey the guy that posted this is my brother i talked him into asking you guys the Q's cause he told me he was buying pistons today and i asked him what kind and he said he didn't know his friend was taking care of it so im like wtf get on the forum and ask them they'll help you anyways his budget is pretty much any amount of money that will make this build last a long time... he doesn't necisarily have a power goal and his psi goal ranges from 20 to 30 psi... he's buying dsm link so he might have that under control and its going to remain a 2.0

 

[bluegs03]

judging by what you just told us deal with oliver, the orange poster 2 above this, he will give you a good deal and it will last as long as you arent too stupid with it. Plus he has a few sales going on right now

 

[BklynsDsmer]

dnt get dsm get Ecm same ppl new version . easier better

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Wow. People need to start writing full, complete, and thought out sentences.

30 psi on a 70 trim, thats like, 700+ horsepower. When you start getting into that range...

A: There is no such thing as it lasting a long time
B: Be prepared to replace stuff quite frequently
C: Plan on spending a LOT of money to do things right
D: Need to set a FULL LIST of goals, and not just buy random shit and not know what the hell you are buying

I hope it puts things into perspective for you. If you were just going to buy pistons and not know what the hell to buy, you need to talk to a shop about what you want to do, and what you are willing to spend. Plan long, buy once. All too often, you will buy shit and end up not needing it, or over/under buying. So, first, make sure you understand what you are getting into, and have fun!

James

 

[E116]

He meant to say 50-trim haha

edit: nevermind i thought it was pandaMAN who said he was planning on running a 50-trim

 

[inneed4dsm]

i dont really think he had too many goals planned out you think maybe thats why he got on here was for some help? and i hope you eat your words about the not lasting a long time cause i know a friend of a friend who drives a 9 second DD evo VIII and I hate to say it but i do believe that its lasted him quite a while... you just gotta get the shit done right. And for the record hes not buying random shit which is once again another reason he got on here for the help... thanks

 

[Wicked_Sick]

What compression ratio are you wishing to run? What kind of budget do you have? Are you upgrading the crank?

 

[boostedorbusted]

so is it a 50 trim or a 70trim??? a good head will be a must.

 

[PIMking]

Weird another 1st post and a insane post about HUGE HP goals.

But I guess I'm going to stay out of this soon to be Flame war.

 

[pandadsm]

I appreciate everyones help and thank you to those who have gave me your honest (KIND) input i dont need to hear people talking shit about my plans i will do with my car as i please... anyways its a 70 trim i do not have a budget no money is too much for me and as far as the crank goes... would it be a good idea to upgrade? i planned on having it turned and polished with new bearings at the least thought for sure.

 

[PIMking]

I appreciate everyones help and thank you to those who have gave me your honest (KIND) input i dont need to hear people talking shit about my plans i will do with my car as i please... anyways its a 70 trim i do not have a budget no money is too much for me and as far as the crank goes... would it be a good idea to upgrade? i planned on having it turned and polished with new bearings at the least thought for sure.

If money isn't a problem take your motor to a machine shop and tell them to build a monster.

Or better yet just buy a race motor from one of the vendors.

 

[JusMX141]

I appreciate everyones help and thank you to those who have gave me your honest (KIND) input i dont need to hear people talking shit about my plans i will do with my car as i please....

Well said.

anyways its a 70 trim

I doubt that. I've been rebuilding turbos a long time and I've yet to see a 70-trim turbo.

Are you sure you're not looking at the area/radius stamped on the compressor cover and using that to judge what the wheel size is (like 98% of other uneducated turbo owners)?

i do not have a budget no money is too much for me and as far as the crank goes....

So you're just going to throw money at the car and hope it's fast? You have a lot of reading to do.

 

[inneed4dsm]

no all you assholes just come on here and assume you know everything there is to know about a dsm... he wants the experience of doing it his self he doesnt want a race motor its gunna be a DD you guys will all see.. and what he means by money is not a problem is that if he needs 700 dollar crower rods to withstand that he'll do it... this is called a newbie forum for a reason.. and i do believe the sub text says how to run 10's when your not running 12's yet.. not hey come here if you want to take your shitty ass day out of a newcomer... anyways this is the god damn turbo... and no this is NOT his car



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[JusMX141]

Before we get the entire town of Elkhart involved with this thread, let's allow the O.P. post up some pics of the turbo in question. If it's indeed as large as the one in the JM Fab pics, it's probably going to be useless on a car that's a daily driver anyway. A turbo like that wouldn't spool until 5500+, and how often do you reach those RPM's while sitting in traffic on your way to work every day?

I just want to see photos of the turbo he owns so it can be identified. Again, trim has nothing to do with the size of the turbo...it's a calculation of the difference between the measurements of the compressor wheel's inducer and exducer. If the trim is as high as 70, I'd question that turbo's efficiency as the compressor wheel would almost be flat- the fins would have no "sweep" to them at all.



This tech section is aptly named the "Newbie Forum" because it's a good place for questions that are repeated or otherwise asked by 5-year-olds. It has nothing to do with how much someone knows their car or someone else's car- however one of the most common questions is "What do I need to do to my engine to run huge boost with a giant turbo on my daily driver?"

The description of "how to run 10's when you haven't run 12's yet" isn't necessarily encouraging such threads to be made- it's more or less mocking the roughly 99.9% of 10-second hopefuls whose dreams are crushed when they realize the amount of money, work, and dedication is required to own and maintain a 10-second DSM.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

I don't even really want to get into an arguement over DD-ing a "70 trim" and jsut throwing money at the car and now its fast. But, either way, good luck.

James

 

[DarkStarMenace]

That is a BIG f@#%ing turbo for one small motor. Do what you please, but that is kind of insane if that is going on a 2 liter. I'm just gonna say if everything goes well with the build, when that turbo hits. You better be strapped in because that setup will leave you behind. Of course, it'll only last about 3 seconds on the street, on the track it'll be like 8 or 9.

 

[inneed4dsm]

now lets not involve the master shep here now i know he does have an absolute monster built but thats like a 100mm turbo on a 2.0 its not stroked at all so i dont know

 

[JusMX141]

"Master Shep's" car is also nowhere near being streetable. Like other drag-only cars, it doesn't even have a radiator or cooling system. His car is basically built to run in 7-second intervals.

 

[DarkStarMenace]

The description of "how to run 10's when you haven't run 12's yet" isn't necessarily encouraging such threads to be made- it's more or less mocking the roughly 99.9% of 10-second hopefuls whose dreams are crushed when they realize the amount of money, work, and dedication is required to own and maintain a 10-second DSM.

That's why I only want an 11-12 second DSM. I would really like to convert my Spyder into a RWD. That would be sick. Expensive and tedious but sick.