my new toy

[welfle18]

What do you think??? I also noticed that this turbo isn't water cooled so should I use a turbo timer or do you think that it would be fine! I think I read a post somewhere back that if the turbo is water cooled that you don't need a turbo timer but its a good idea if its not. Is there any truth to that? Anyways cant wait to put it on!

 

[redtsi252]

Damn man....that looks sweet....That Turbo looks familiar.......I would suggest to you if you like the sound of turbo spool to get it back into your o2 housing....mine is also atmospher dump....and its F'N LOUD....cant really hear the turbo spool....as you hear is the motor and turbo and exhaust screamin at once....its loud and sounds mean as hell....But I love turbo spool.....

So0o I see you like the turbo....I love the set up....its hella clean....did you tighten up those bolts?

 

[92AWDHX40]

Thats some nice pieces there.

 

[jastermerrel]

turbo timers are not made for water cooled turbos, they are made so you can leave the car running long enough for the oil to drain back out. you don't want excess amount of oil seating in your turbo, becaue it will build up smudge and there goes your turbo.

Oil never "drains back out" in the sense that as long as the motor is running, oil is being pumped through the turbo...always. The purpose of a turbo timer is to allow the motor to run for a bit after driving around (boosting) before the car is shut off to allow the oil to cool the turbo. Otherwise, you'd have oil sitting still in a turbo which could be over 1000 degrees or more after a hard run. This oil would begin to "coke", that is bake onto the innards of the turbo. Over time, possibly just a very short while, this would kill your turbo.

Turbo timers are only necessary for people who do not want to sit in the car after they stop and let it idle for awhile. I believe that a DSM owners manual even says to do this for about a minute, even with the factory water cooled turbo. With the timer, you turn the key to "off" and get out of the car to do whatever...the car will stay running for a predetermined amount of time, or the timer can be set to make a calculation of time based on how hard you had previously been running the car.

 

[welfle18]

Damn man....that looks sweet....That Turbo looks familiar.......I would suggest to you if you like the sound of turbo spool to get it back into your o2 housing....mine is also atmospher dump....and its F'N LOUD....cant really hear the turbo spool....as you hear is the motor and turbo and exhaust screamin at once....its loud and sounds mean as hell....But I love turbo spool.....

So0o I see you like the turbo....I love the set up....its hella clean....did you tighten up those bolts?

Yeah well i thought about that and I think that I am going to get some flexible exhaust tubing and run it back a little so that all that exhaust gas isn't blowing in the engine bay. I guess I was going to the cheaper route to save a little money hence the ssac wastegate. Oh it will scream and gotta love the spooling sound. Just need the oil lines and I will be in business. Yeah I did tighten them up.

turbo timers are not made for water cooled turbos

I know that is why I ask because this turbo is not water cooled!

Thats some nice pieces there.

Thanks man!

 

[meliketoball]

The reason for a turbo timer is to let your turbo and motor cool down after hard driving; spooling, high revving etc. which cause it to run hot especially with our turbos.

Ever seen a turbo turn red before from constant boosting? Don't worry, I bet you will with that damn monster.

You let your car idle for that extra amount of time you set your timer for to cool off the hot oil going in and out of your turbo.

Think about it this way: when people run long distances, they don't sit down and rest. They take cool down laps. Get it?

If I were you, I'd get a turbo time since your turbo isn't water cooled.

 

[PIMking]

Im jealous! were do you live so i can rob you while your sleeping?

BTW thats sick.

 

[Maxboost1010]

Wow that's pretty tight, what turbo are you using. And yes definitely get a turbo timer it makes life alot easier when you have one less thing to worry about.

 

[welfle18]

Im jealous! were do you live so i can rob you while your sleeping?

BTW thats sick.

haha well I will tell you that it is no where near Iowa!!

Wow that's pretty tight, what turbo are you using. And yes definitely get a turbo timer it makes life alot easier when you have one less thing to worry about. .

Yeah I think that I might. Well right now I am stock but the turbo in the picture is a PTE 5031 50 trim.

The reason for a turbo timer is to let your turbo and motor cool down after hard driving; spooling, high revving etc. which cause it to run hot especially with our turbos.

Ever seen a turbo turn red before from constant boosting? Don't worry, I bet you will with that damn monster.

You let your car idle for that extra amount of time you set your timer for to cool off the hot oil going in and out of your turbo.

Think about it this way: when people run long distances, they don't sit down and rest. They take cool down laps. Get it?

If I were you, I'd get a turbo time since your turbo isn't water cooled.

Yeah I understand the concept behind the turbo timer just was wondering if it was a necessity or not.

 

[costas14]

Oil never "drains back out" in the sense that as long as the motor is running, oil is being pumped through the turbo...always. The purpose of a turbo timer is to allow the motor to run for a bit after driving around (boosting) before the car is shut off to allow the oil to cool the turbo. Otherwise, you'd have oil sitting still in a turbo which could be over 1000 degrees or more after a hard run. This oil would begin to "coke", that is bake onto the innards of the turbo. Over time, possibly just a very short while, this would kill your turbo.

Turbo timers are only necessary for people who do not want to sit in the car after they stop and let it idle for awhile. I believe that a DSM owners manual even says to do this for about a minute, even with the factory water cooled turbo. With the timer, you turn the key to "off" and get out of the car to do whatever...the car will stay running for a predetermined amount of time, or the timer can be set to make a calculation of time based on how hard you had previously been running the car.

in my eclipse manual for my 91 it says if you ahve a turbocharged engine to make sure you let it idle for a bit before going, then if you park, it also says to leave it for over a minute, even if it hasnt been running fast

 

[redtsi252]

Its a PTE 5031 with stage 5 exhaust wheel, polished TO4E cover and swain tech coated exhaust housing ( same as ceramic coating)

 

[thorlief4g63]

Whether or not your car heats up or cools during idle is relative to the temperature it was at when you started to idle. If that car is cold it will warm if it is hot it will cool and the same goes for the oil in the engine and the motor parts. The reason is based solely on your radiator because when it is cold and needs to warm the fan will be off allowing for maximum heat to be retained. When it is hot it cools the engine by turning the fan on and cooling the radiator fluids and therefore the internals of the engine. If you dont believe this then you can simply unplug your radiator fan after you drive really hard and see if the engine warms to the red zone, then plug it back in and see that it drops back down to the safe zone. Good Luck

 

[welfle18]

I think that the point of the TT is to let oil continue to flow through the turbo during a cool down period after some hard driving. You wouldn't want the oil to bake on the bearings inside, so letting it idle for say a minute or two gives the turbine housing a chance to cool. I am not saying that its going to be cool to the touch but it wont be 1000+ either. It keeps the oil circulating. Well that is least my understanding of a TT.

 

[turboglenn]

Turbo timers are for letting the turbo cool. If it's a water cooled turbo then it doen't need one and if it's not water cooled, just idle it the last few blocks to your house and you still wont' need one as long as you have enough patience to let it idle and cool.. Better yet, run synthetic oil, it doens't coke up like conventional does, so that's another reason not to need a turbo timer. All this was told to me at my aprenticeship on tubo building. A lot of it is marketing to the consumer, so there's stuff written that makes a turbo timer "nessessary" but in real life it's a luxery

rambling cause i'm in a hurry...later

 

[Burnett03]

Does knowone know the reason behind a turbo timer??? Seriously this thread is so full of BS it's not even funny.

The purpose of the timer is to let the turbo SLOW DOWN, when you are driving it hard the turbo is spinning upwards of 150,000 RPM. It just doesnt stop once you let off the gas, it takes time for it to slow down.
If you just shut the car off the turbo will still be spinning WAY to fast to have it's oil supply shut off.

BTW when you idle the car it only gets hotter under the hood not cooler since theres no air coming through the rad anymore.

. You are just as wrong as the rest.. The purpose of a turbo timer is to cool down the center cartridge so that the oil doesn't cook inside it damaging the bearings..

 

[meliketoball]

I know what I said is right.

 

[Kaedo]

I know what I said is right.

I agree, except for the part about letting the engine cool down. On my turbo timer when I switch the the key off and take it out, it cuts power to the fans and stops them from automatically coming on. So for the minute and a half that the car idles the coolant temp actually rises above normal operating temperatures due to the fans not turning on.(This may be different on 2g's though.)

As to whether or not they are needed, I think not. They are merely a convenience factor for when you are late to work or something. If you take it easy on the boost before you reach your destination; or are willing to sit in your car for an extra minute when you arrive, they are unneeded.


Oh ya, really nice setup by the way.

 

[welfle18]

I agree, except for the part about letting the engine cool down. On my turbo timer when I switch the the key off and take it out, it cuts power to the fans and stops them from automatically coming on. So for the minute and a half that the car idles the coolant temp actually rises above normal operating temperatures due to the fans not turning on.(This may be different on 2g's though.)

As to whether or not they are needed, I think not. They are merely a convenience factor for when you are late to work or something. If you take it easy on the boost before you reach your destination; or are willing to sit in your car for an extra minute when you arrive, they are unneeded.


Oh ya, really nice setup by the way.

Thank you and as for the TT I work construction so when i get to the shop I don't always have any extra time to sit in the car and let it cool you know. I guess I could wake up a little earlier but man I am already up at like 4ish any earlier and I might be a zombie. Oh well I guess it would be more for convenience than anything. Might invest in an ebay one or something cheap. Thanks for all the input fellas whether it was accurate or not!

 

[snox135]

Make sure you orientate the center cartridge before installing it.

 

[welfle18]

Make sure you orientate the center cartridge before installing it.

Hey man I am not exactly sure what you mean by that? Could you explain to me what you are talking about or maybe shoot me a pm explaining. Big investment don't want to f anything up!!

HAHA nevermind I get what you are talking about now duh!!! Brain fart.

 

[welfle18]

I went outside today and broke loose the EM nuts and well call me lucky but no broken studs! Let the car idle for a few and pb blasted the hell out of them. Is that the part I should be worried about busting the studs or is it when you try and remove the stud from the head? Got the FP install studs with the mani so they will be replaced. Hopefully the install will happen this weekend if I can get some oil lines.

 

[welfle18]

Is there a special way to remove the existing studs on the head to replace them so that they don't break or am I in the clear since I already got the nuts loose. Vise Grips maybe? Plan on installing this beauty this weekend and want to know if its going to be an all day project or an all weekend project.

 

[Auto RS T]

You could use a jam nut to remove the studs.

In the past I have also used a stud extractor, which is like a socket that goes over the stud. As you go to loosen the stud it tightens up grabbing the stud allowing you to thread it out.

 

[dsmzoom]

HAHA, mabe you should take your intake off and shut your car off and actually see how long a turbo spins AFTER the car is shut off. Do you think it just stops right away?? NO it doesnt.Yah i think it runs on batteries. Good one!!!! DO NOT say that a turbo stops right away cause it doesnt. And others will agree with me, and if not then i will go outside and make a video of how long it actually spins once the car is shut off. And im not talkin about BB turbos either cause they spn even longer.

I didn't say that a TT isnt for keeping oil from coking in the center section, i was just sayin that the advise from the other posts above me was incorrect just like others agreed too.

Guys, your talking to GORBS88, the INVENTOR of the turbo timer for the sole purpose to slow the turbo down...

But in all seriousness when your turn your car off your at a stop correct? The turbo is not spinning a hundrend and fifty thousand revolutions per minute at idle. period. It takes a couple of seconds to stop spinning at idle when you shut it off...Some people never seize to amaze me.

 

[98eclipsekidd08]

I never tried this but to get the studs out cant you just lock 2 nuts together on the stud?