Motor Wont crank Help Please

[aloegamerz]

my motor wont turn over i receantly had change the starter and everything was fine until yesterday i tried to start it it try then it locked up ive try turning over the motor by hand but i cant and i dont think is locked up because at times it will turn over when i try to start it but then locks again what could it be please help thanks and its a 96 gst eclipse 5 speed

 

[Purex2c]

Sounds like you got a bad starter, pinion not disengaging the flywheel.

 

[aloegamerz]

its not the starter already change it 4 times

 

[killercolt]

Take the starter out and try to turn the crank. Do not turn the cam gear because it is harder to turn there. Take the spark plugs out too to keep the compression stroke from increasing the cranking effort. If the motor will not turn, you need to look at pulling the motor or tranny apart for inspection. Make are the block and tranny are flush against each other.

 

[aloegamerz]

ill try that later because i know he motor cant be locked as it has already try to turn on 3 times but then gets stuck again

 

[Alex Brunner]

Try the electrical for the starter as well. If you have put four in and none worked, they could just be not getting enough current to crank the engine.

 

[aloegamerz]

i did i try jump starting it but its just that the engine is lock at times and not even i can move it

 

[eDeclpse92]

I had a similar problem on my car and the starter would start and then everything would lock up. What was happening was when the starter would engage the flywheel, it would twist a little bit not making flush contact between the flywheel and the and starter gear. Have a friend try to crank it and see if you notice the starter moving when trying to crank the engine. I took mine out and in countless times and that was the problem. I put threadlock on the bolts and tightened her down really hard and never had a problem since.

 

[aloegamerz]

ill try that and post comments to see what happens and mean while if some one wants to keep giving ideas ill appreciate it

 

[jaredS83]

There is a chance it could be a bad flywheel or something in the clutch system locked up.

 

[aloegamerz]

ok so i took all my spark plugs out and all of them were hit from the bottom except the one closes to the camshaft gears idk what could hit them ive use a pen magnet to look for debree but theres nothing its clean in there what could cause that

 

[SICK SOCIETY DSM90]

Mechanical Damage

This is caused by foreign objects in the combustion chamber or an improper plug reach where it contacts the piston. Even a piece of carbon can do this.

To solve this, make sure you have the correct length tip spark plug as well as removing any foreign materials in the combustion chamber. In some cases you may have excessive carbon buildup on the backs of the intake valves that will have to be addressed.

Detonation:

In cases of severe detonation, insulators may become cracked or chipped. Improper spark plug gap settings will also cause the insulator tip to crack or chip.

Detonation is tricky ... make sure that you are using the correct octane fuel first and then verify correct ignition timing. Next check for an inoperative EGR system (if equipped) as well as proper function of the Knock Sensor (if equipped). Also, you will want to make sure you are using the correct heat range plug.

That's just some of the information I found on the ineternet it had pictures but couldn't transfer it to here just the info the mechanical failure the spark plug is intact and the metal piece is moved to the side and bent. The detonation the instalator is actually cracked and chips are missing hope this help with your problem. Also hopefully it didn't break off to much and cause it to damage the pistons. Because the pieces that did come off got chewed up the combustion chamber and spit out the exuast side or down into the oil.

 

[aloegamerz]

i put the right plugs everything back and clean and is still wont crank at all is there any way to make it run or crank any other way

and i have already try pushing and nothing and it was 3 guys idk if it has anything to do but it has a stage 3 flywheel and clutch

 

[92-talontsi]

I would check the timing. The spark cylinder closest to the cam gears/timing belt is cylinder one. I would take a look at that. Maybe that could be the issue or at least part of your issue. Hope that helps. When you do timing you want to make sure cylinder 1 is top dead center on the compression stroke.

 

[Tyeler18]

Skipped time. Sounds like you have bent valves and are hitting the pistons. All you're doing now is more damage trying to force it over.

 

[aloegamerz]

no checked everything its on time no problem what so ever and i know it didnt skip time because car was running perfect when i turn it off last time

 

[SICK SOCIETY DSM90]

what is a concern is that something broke your spark plugs they just don't bust or get damaged from nothing and everything running like its suppose to. What did the old plugs look like that where busted can you post a pic of them I am betting like someone else has said some bent valves is the issue that would stop a car from running and cause damage to spark plugs and cylinder.

 

[aloegamerz]

no turns out who ever put those spark plugs before me where not even for that car they are longer and skinnier

but could something make like the flywheel stick that causes the motor not to turn

 

[SICK SOCIETY DSM90]

Anything is possible but a kick start usually will free up the flywheel and if you push clutch in and it rolls without drag then the only other thing is to check the flywheel bolts if any are loose. If the flywheel is free and with tranny off of it try turning the motor manually should spin pretty easy if not then you have bigger issues and its internal.

 

[Boostdriven]

I've seen before where the oil pump shaft was seizing up so bad that it would cause the engine not to start and hard to turn by hand. Not saying that's your case but its just an idea.

 

[Night devil]

Just sharing my ideas since i have seen and made mostly same issues.

1. Can't even push the car.
> bad transmission that is locked in gear. Have you had any grinding problems before?
> bad transfercase not letting transmission to spin.

2. Car move but can not spin crankshaft. (By hand or turning over)
> spun rod/main bearings.
> pistons are hitting the valves. (Wrong marks).

> Thinking your timing marks are right. Sure this still happens, due to the fact the crankshaft plate is the other way around. this means you can spin it 1 to 2 times hard as hell, but then locks. That still means wrong timing. Had this issue before and couldnt think of anything else, till the plate was other way around.
> oil pump sprocket will also cause this issue, especially if you delete the balance shaft. Also had this issue, the stubby shaft some how was eating the sureface to a point broke the intake camgear.
> flywheel will also cause not to spin, epescially if the bolts are loose.

Finally,
I would stop trying to start the car or try to force it by hand, motor should spin little hard with spark plugs in, sparks plugs out should spin easy. I would start from timing side since its easier. Take out the belt, try to spin the crankshaft with plugs out. Check the PLATE, since your doing the timing. If not any check your flywheel and see how things go.
Good luck and sorry for the long write up. But hope this helps
Good luck

 

[aloegamerz]

ok so i took the starter out lifted the car and was able to turn the motor by hand but it would only go so far and then nothing ou can try and turn it back and it will but when you turn it again it gets suck in the same position what could it be

 

[Dsmkauai]

Do you have all the spark plugs in? If so its not going to spin to easy that way. Sounds like you don't really know what your doing bro. And if your motor is locking up while turning your timing must have jumped and now things are bent. And your car can skip timing right as you shut it off. That's how mine skipped a tooth last time. Was driving perfectly fine when I parked it, then next morning I went to leave and she wouldn't start. After several test I found the timing off 1 tooth. And you say all the spark plugs got smashed bro your timing jumped and your valves are bent sorry no way around that bro. Oh sorry read the rest of your post. How the hell do you put the wrong spark plugs in your car man??? I think you need to take the car to a mechanic that knows what they are doing, before things get worse. Just my advice bro not trying to be mean.

 

[SICK SOCIETY DSM90]

I would have to agree sounds like bent valves on the intake side but sounds like it needs to go to a shop they will be able to get you where you need to be going.

 

[aloegamerz]

i just got the car and it was running fine so i didnt put the spark plugs in someone before me did i just found every other problem and trying to make it run right and the time didnt jump because everything still line perfectly it cant be that and thanks for the advice ill see and try to find whats wrong maybe someone has a similar problem