more hp for the 420a

[j5productions]

So i have the 98 gs for now and was looking to get a little extra hp out of it but keep it as a dd . any cheap turbo that keep it safe for a dd but add some power ?

I tried looking on the forums but could not find any helpful kits or parts for some power. Let me know people, thank you!

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

i used to build hondas. A b18c1 is a gsr, so im glad it still has its head

rofl

 

[TallestHERETIC]

There's no way it could be this confusing and hard to make a 420A fast!

I'm guessing most 420A owners looking to go fast ignore these sites that even cater to them, complete with their own sections:

nolimitmotorsport.com
extremepsi.com
treadstoneperformance.com
cimotorsports.com
streetperformance.com
realstreetperformance.com

There's tons of other ones, I just cant think of them at the moment. Totally affordable, too! You can even piece one together yourself from a salvage yard if your willing to get a little dirt on your hands. Or you could just do this.....

Find a GST/GSX shell>Find a 4G63T engine>Find a transmission, transfer case, drive shaft, etc...>Rent a engine crane>Put it together = Less than $1500 total!! $2000 if you get a nicer shell.

 

[RadDsm]

you shouldn't even be posting in this thread.
Making generalities like that really shows your lack of intelligence. You're the one that's wrong.



with a forged bottom end you're good for 400 hp (plus turbo and supporting mods, clutch).
idk about you but that's plenty of power. at that stage 1st and 2nd gear is useless under any kind of boost. What more would you really want?

It's FWD, it doesn't need any more power than that, can't put it to the ground anyway (in most street car cases). At this point the only REAL argument against the 420a is that it's FWD, and therefore has tons of issues with traction.

I want to know why the Mods here have been CONTINUALLY ignoring any and all 420a bashing which is clearly against the rules.

My lack of intelligence? Show me how many 400+whp 420a's there are. If it was as easy as you are trying to make it out to be, everyone would have one.

I don't know about any of you, but do you really want to spend a couple thousand dollars on a built bottom end to only make 400hp, or use a stock bottom end that's already in the car.

Seems like an easy choice to me.

As for the fwd issue, I'd steer anyone away from a fwd DSM, whether 420a or 4g63.

 

[paularenss]

420a isnt worth putting a turbo on it

 

[aajj1987]

just from my experience. 420a is not a bad engine ive seen em hold together and outlast 4g63t's with blown rings they are reliable. the locals i have seen are as follows, ( when i worked for autozone) a kid had a 96 420a with a custom peiced together turbo kit on 6 psi... raced my bone stock and i mean bone stock twin turbo stealth and hung till i down shifted car lasted about 5 months was driving one day and said it started just pouring oil out the exhaust... a local kid in cabot that i race with alot had a 420a that was gutted with a header clutch cold air intake and intake manifold. no power steering back seats spare or carpeting or a/c and the best he could do was keep up with 5.0 foxbodys with pipes they are not bad if u want to represent the dsm platform but my suggestion is to buy a roller and always build one yourself. the experience is phenomenal. im not building another dsm on a 1g or 2g. im using my 7 bolt for the conquest i just bought with no motor. get tired of local 240 guys thinking they hot cause they can slide around... fixing to show em how its done like a boss...

 

[rmb019]

man I didn't read all the replys so some of this may have been said, but I'm gonna put my 2 cents in. I have a 2gNT Talon.

I'll start by saying that this is my first DSM, and I bought it simply because it only had 89,000mi, ran great, and had better mileage than my truck, seeing as at the time I had to drive 520 miles every other weekend to pick up my son. Oh, and because I bought it off a desperate tweeker for $600. The outside was beat to hell, but it gave me a platform to teach myself auto body and paint on (check out my pics). Anyway, I just came into a serious emotional dilemma. My stock motor gave out on me the other night. Lost power, and blew every drop of oil onto the underside of the hood and all over the bay. My dilemma is that I'm a gearhead, and always have been, and rule #1 is everything needs more power. I immediately started looking at turbo kits and a full forged rebuild, even though I know better, because the 420a was NEVER INTENDED to be a turbo motor. I started building drag cars with my dad in junior high. Granted, they were always V8s, but anyway, one of the first things I learned working with Dad was that if you are gonna run any kind of forced induction, you better have a motor built around that plan. Make something stronger here, make something weaker down the line. DSM Dominoes. I know, this is my first DSM, but I have been on this forum since shortly after I got it, and have read just about every piece of information about the 420a that is offered. I just now started posting because, even though I have built some gnarly ass, frame twisting cars, I didn't know a damn thing about imports before I got my Talon. I wanted to sit back and make sure I had a good grasp of things before I started chiming in. It has been stated by people over and over - if you want turbo, go find a 4g car, and these guys know what they are talking about. I know everything I know about DSMs because of this forum, and so far, I have not been steered in the wrong direction, and have learned some awesome, make-my-life-way-easier type stuff. You take a 4g63 car and a 420a car with the motors in the exact same condition, and start building. Then add your turbo setup, which, if you want it to be worth a damn, is going to be a lot more expensive than what ebay would lead us to believe, Then get into fuel management, ECUs, etc, etc. You are gonna dump wayyy more into the 420a as you will the 4g. More than enough to go buy a factory turbo car. That being said... I decided last night that I'm going to rebuild my 420a to be NA. Do I want a turbo? Of course. Do I want the BS and high bill that would come with it? Hell no.

Im going to do a full rebuild with a normal kit (other than rings and timing belt), full P&P job on head(maybe cams, still iffy), New clutch/flywheel, already deleted the EGR and Evap junk, bolt on a header, exhaust, CAI, etc., Throw some coilovers and a set of 17s on it and enjoy a reliable and hella fun to drive DD.

Well ya know what anyone that doubts me can come at me and run me let's go I can give you the adress.

Hell, lets run 1/4 mile for "slips". . I'd drive to Kentucky to relieve you of your vehicle. and since horsepower doesn't matter and it's all about your "skillz", I'll be bringing my other car since my Talon is down. I have a N20 kit you can borrow, and I'll set you out, lets say, 1/8 mile.

 

[mustracetsi]

I personally had 2 na talon and eclipse before I got my 97 tsi. One that comment in the first threads about a nt and turbo 2g being same price you way off. On nt you can put bolts on easily and cheaper let alone just repairs. Example msd coil pack for nt is 80 bucks vs a oem. Coil for a 4g63 over 100 and 4g63 got two not one. Dont even want to get into timing belts. Just doing simple bolts ons you got the torque I kept up with couple my buddies running gsx and gst at 12 psi with my nt. Took them off the line but once that boost kicks not much to hold on and keep your lime three cars lenths away. I love my na dsm but wanted turbo it looking for that rush. But you be spending alot money. Tuning, turbo parts exhaust, dsm missing link, megasquirt clutch and so one. Love my tsi but be for warned. Its a car you gota comit to and maintenance is a must.the money spending on maintenance on a 4g63 you can spend on goodies for your nt. But I.n the end it comes down to what you want. You put work on your nt love it and enjoy it. Or if you want the boost rush get a 4g63. I love cruising around and seing someone that wants to test what my car can do. When you around 60 or 80 mph and try punch for race thats when a na car works to hard to hit the 100mph or more and when a turbo ssssswwwwwhhhhhhsssssss up to those mphs lime cake. Either way I love them both. Balls in your court.

 

[WES_393]

I personally had 2 na talon and eclipse before I got my 97 tsi. One that comment in the first threads about a nt and turbo 2g being same price you way off. On nt you can put bolts on easily and cheaper let alone just repairs.

What exact "bolt-ons" your talking about. Because bolt-ons for an NA engine vs those for a turbo engine are pretty much apples and oranges. For example, a complete intake setup for any NA 4-banger can be found on eBay for $50. And it's really just a bent pipe with a cheap cotton filter at the end. A full intake setup for your average 4g63 consists of a proper turbo intake, a complex system of piping with high pressure couplers and clamps, an efficient intercooler core, and a decent BOV. Not something $50 can effectively produce.

Example msd coil pack for nt is 80 bucks vs a oem. Coil for a 4g63 over 100 and 4g63 got two not one. Dont even want to get into timing belts. Just doing simple bolts ons you got the torque I kept up with couple my buddies running gsx and gst at 12 psi with my nt. Took them off the line but once that boost kicks not much to hold on and keep your lime three cars lenths away. I love my na dsm but wanted turbo it looking for that rush.

The ignition system may be more expensive, but it can support well over 600hp. So there's no need for MSD coils and whatnot. Also, a complete Gates timing belt kit for the 4g63 costs $144 while that same kit for the 420a costs $128. Not exactly highway robbery. And there's no doubt a boosted 420a can hang with the 4g63. But the difference is that most stock NA engines become a ticking time bomb when boosted while the 4g63 has proven itself to be insanely strong. Even the "weaker" 7-bolt has gone 10's in stock form.

But you be spending alot money. Tuning, turbo parts exhaust, dsm missing link, megasquirt clutch and so one. Love my tsi but be for warned. Its a car you gota comit to and maintenance is a must.the money spending on maintenance on a 4g63 you can spend on goodies for your nt.

The 4g63 is typically a maintenance-intensive engine because of old age, abuse, and poor modification. But a bone stock 4g63 shouldn't require more maintenance than an NA engine in the same condition. And in terms of horsepower per dollar, the 4g63 stomps just about any 4-cylinder on the planet. You could buy a nice turbo DSM with how much it costs get the stock 210hp from any 90's NA 4-banger.

So I apologize if it seems like I'm putting the heat on you- that's not my intention. I also hate getting into the "this engine vs that engine" debate. I agree that if your DSM will be strictly used for daily beating and your on a tight budget, then yes an NA DSM (420a, 4g64, 4g93, etc) might be a better choice. Mostly because your average turbo DSM is pretty rough now days. But overall cheaper/easier to modify and maintain than a similar condition 4g63? That's a statement that's yet to be proven.

 

[fast2011]

I have a 1995 eclipse rs with a 420a in it I wanna do a evo 8 engine swap I find a lot of forums that say its not that hard but I need some info on it like on the ecu does the 420a ecu unplug at the fire wall and what aftermarket bellhousing do I need for the transmission to bolt up to the evo 8