mid to low 11's with this setup

[compression]

well i cant really say cuz ive never acually ran 11's in anything .. but the advice these guys are throwing out is good advice. the godzilla turbo looks like junk to me.. but thats jus me my evo 3 16g looks twice the size of that and its on my 1.8 somday i will make it into the 11's.. im prolly running like high 15's now

 

[ltho98]

There are so many things wrong with your statement. First off if he needs a turbo like the agp Rs49t to get into the 11s, then go talk to the people doing it with a 16g and 14b. Second, where is the horsepower limited sticker on 550 injectors? I must of missed that one. Do you realize with propane injection thats going to allow him alot more "breathing" room with 550s? Your a typical I say what I read Dsmtuner.

First off, I didn't use any insults like you. So i consider this open season.

A.) Have you ran your car at the track yet? I don't see any posted times, so you're probably a bench racer is my guess.

B.) I have ran my car down the track hundreds of times, watched dozens of other dsm's run down the track hundreds of times. I have a pretty good idea of what each car/setup is capable of, including my own.

C.) The people that have squeeked into the 11's on a 16G had freak runs, nitrous, or were far from full weight. I've maxed this piss out of my 16G and i had one freak 113 trap run at 12.6. People have done a little better with 12.4 in my town. And thats relatively consistent. To run 12.6, I had to run C16 at max boost just like all the other guys have. The 14b that made it to the 11's was VERY far from full weight. It was a freak run, anyone that has ran their car at the track knows that they have the freak run which catches you by surprise and then there's the consistent average run. For this guy here to do it consistently he will need larger.

D.) Welcome to the performance world: How much power you can produce is governed by how much fuel you can inject. C16/propane/methanol is just less a way to prevent detonation and costing you a motor, which is why you can run outrageous boost with those methods. There are thumb rules all over the web (I got mine from a PTE catalog) for what size injector should yield x amount of power. 550's are rated for roughly 94hp at 90% duty cycle. Read up, junior.

If you don't believe me, try reaching for the 11's like I have, its not as easy as one would think.

 

[boostedinaz]

There are so many things wrong with your statement. First off if he needs a turbo like the agp Rs49t to get into the 11s, then go talk to the people doing it with a 16g and 14b. Second, where is the horsepower limited sticker on 550 injectors? I must of missed that one. Do you realize with propane injection thats going to allow him alot more "breathing" room with 550s? Your a typical I say what I read Dsmtuner.

I just want to make sure I get something straight. He is just a typical "I say what I saw on Tuners" correct? If so, how many DSM's have you seen in person run an 11 anything with a 16G or a 14b.

I hate when the questions of 11's pop up and instantly everyone always says all you need is a 16G. Perhaps 5 DSM in the world have gone that fast with that turbo and none were full weight or pump gas. If it were that easy then 50 trims and any other big turbo woulndt be popular becasue they wouldnt be needed.

This is why I went with a 20G. My goals are to get in the low 12's high 11's on pump gas. I also dont want to have to beat my car to death to get it to the times I want. With the extra power I can make on a 20G I wont have to kill the car 60ft to make the times I want. With a 16G it is all 60ft and not much at the big end.

 

[ltho98]

You live right around the corner from AGP and you bought a 20G? boooooo

 

[boostedinaz]

You live right around the corner from AGP and you bought a 20G? boooooo

At the time they were new and I think they only had there 50trim kit. So it was a good deal on a 20G or 1600.00 on a full kit. I went with the 20G.

 

[Mitsu725]

what are u ppl using to see that timing is being advanced, dsmlink or something similar, im kind of in the same boat, i have 82lb injectors, i think thats like 850cc or something, and i have my S-afc II set to negative 30, just so i dont break up because my car is running so rich with the injectors, but i got them because i plan on upgrading to a 60-1 turbo, but i either wanna get dsmlink or the AEM wideband, just don't know which one to go with.

 

[boostedinaz]

what are u ppl using to see that timing is being advanced, dsmlink or something similar, im kind of in the same boat, i have 82lb injectors, i think thats like 850cc or something, and i have my S-afc II set to negative 30, just so i dont break up because my car is running so rich with the injectors, but i got them because i plan on upgrading to a 60-1 turbo, but i either wanna get dsmlink or the AEM wideband, just don't know which one to go with.

So you have all that stuff done to you rcar and you have no logger of somesort? If you do have a logger you dont watch your timming with it?

The only way you will be able to get rid of excess timming is to keep the AFC and get a 95 Eprom computer and have a chip made for it. Or you can get DSMlink, your best option, and it will control and do almost everything.

 

[KlowdDragon]

instead, i see something that could be sucked through a 50 trim.

..

 

[Mitsu725]

yes I have all that stuff done but i dont havea logger but i wanted to know hwo all these ppl know that there timing is being pulled or what not since they say oo my timing is advanced this much or my timing is advanced that much, i was wondering what kind of "tool" they were using that told them this...???, but no as of now i have no logger, just an S-AFC II, and im learning how to use that, the only way i have been tuning since my injectors are so big is to whenever the car stops sputtering because its so rich is where i leave it, which is the total wrong way to do it but im gonna get a wideband for my car so...



DOnt mean to hijack the post by the way either...

 

[DSMTurbos]

DSMLink or something similair. I wouldn't go with a AFC if anyone paid me. Pulled timing=bad.

people have gone faster on just an safc to tune with then you probably will ever go with a "better" setup

 

[boostedinaz]

yes I have all that stuff done but i dont havea logger but i wanted to know hwo all these ppl know that there timing is being pulled or what not since they say oo my timing is advanced this much or my timing is advanced that much, i was wondering what kind of "tool" they were using that told them this...???, but no as of now i have no logger, just an S-AFC II, and im learning how to use that, the only way i have been tuning since my injectors are so big is to whenever the car stops sputtering because its so rich is where i leave it, which is the total wrong way to do it but im gonna get a wideband for my car so...



DOnt mean to hijack the post by the way either...

They watch it with a logger. You realize what you are doing by playing with an AFC and no logger is just asking for trouble?

 

[Mitsu725]

no i dont realize what im doing is bad, first of all if its not running lean thats a good thing. the onky thing i did was add some injectors and got an S-afc, i dont know what i could do that could really hurt the engine, i mean im putting more fuel at a base of 35lbs on my afpr and then i have it tuned down to a negative 30 on the fuel trims, what could be so bad??

 

[my_gst95]

what could be so bad??

Being overly rich and being lean both can cause knock. Knock retards timing. Being too lean and too rich will cause engine troubles when running it like that long enough. Without a logger, you have NO idea if your low fuel trims are too lean or too rich. Just like without having alogger, you have NO idea where you are rich and where it's lean. There is no way one can tune their car with an SAFC alone (unless you make it to the dyno). If I were in your situation, I wouldn't go WOT until you purchase some sort of logging device, especially with your mod list.

my_gst95

 

[boostedinaz]

no i dont realize what im doing is bad, first of all if its not running lean thats a good thing. the onky thing i did was add some injectors and got an S-afc, i dont know what i could do that could really hurt the engine, i mean im putting more fuel at a base of 35lbs on my afpr and then i have it tuned down to a negative 30 on the fuel trims, what could be so bad??

How do you know its not runnign lean? You have nothign to look over it with and tell you how well or poor you car really is running. People who dont tune right or dont know what they are doing blow engines up all the time. Having to replace you motor is what could happen. Tunning by the butt dyno is not only worhtless but dangerous. I can tell you right now that your car will run 10 times better if you had an actual tune than just palying with buttons. Good luck, I dont expect you car to last long.

 

[Mitsu725]

what about if i just get dsm link and a wideband o2 i mean if i get dsm link i wont need the logger right??, or should i just get the logger and a wideband o2?

 

[my_gst95]

If you can afford it, go Dsmlink. (Since your a 97, you'll need a laptop, a 95 Eprom Ecu, Dsmlink, and have the chip installed). Wideband is optional but probably one of the best additions you can have to fine-tune your car. Of course, Dsmlink is more complex then say a Pocketlogger. But both will require some time learning the basics of tuning. Either way, I suggest you start looking through the tuning guides. Everyone at a certain point realizes that throwing parts on a turbo car won't neccissarly make it fast...tuning makes a turbo car fast. Readup and goodluck.

my_gst95

 

[Mitsu725]

one more thing i have an odb II that i borrowed from a friend that tells you coolant temp and intake temp and bank 1 sensor and bank 2 sensor and o2 sensor readings and all that , but it doesnt record ne thing, and it too also tells you CEL's like i constantly throw a fuel pressure solenoid circuit fault, but it does everything that the pocket logger does except record so my question is what 's are good numbers?? SOrry im a total newb when it comes to tuning...

 

[boostedinaz]

what about if i just get dsm link and a wideband o2 i mean if i get dsm link i wont need the logger right??, or should i just get the logger and a wideband o2?

DSMLink and a wideband would be the ideal setup.

 

[never2muchBoost]

my friend ran 11.7 with a 90 tsi awd with a small 16g, fmic, safc, 550s, 255,3' exhaust, and thats about it besides little stuff. dunno what he trapped at. my setup is a 50 trim, 650s, safc, fmic, 255, 3' exhaust, and all other obvious shit. havent ran it yet but im hoping 11s with some practice, bigger turbos are mainly for highway speed, 16gs spool so fast and make decent power that its not all that hard to get some impressive times in just a 1/4 mile. i see 16g cars in the 12s everyday at the track i work at. its after the 1/4 mile that the bigger turbos shine, just my 2 cents

 

[boostedinaz]

my friend ran 11.7 with a 90 tsi awd with a small 16g, fmic, safc, 550s, 255,3' exhaust, and thats about it besides little stuff. dunno what he trapped at. my setup is a 50 trim, 650s, safc, fmic, 255, 3' exhaust, and all other obvious shit. havent ran it yet but im hoping 11s with some practice, bigger turbos are mainly for highway speed, 16gs spool so fast and make decent power that its not all that hard to get some impressive times in just a 1/4 mile. i see 16g cars in the 12s everyday at the track i work at. its after the 1/4 mile that the bigger turbos shine, just my 2 cents

A turbo works in a power band not a lenght of concete. If you are in you power band in third gear then it doesnt matter if you are towards the end of the track or on a freeway. So with that said ANY turbo can be good for the 1/4 miles not just the small ones. If you arent sure of the answer then please dont post.

 

[spoolin_turbo]

A few of us local houston guys where the testors for the godzilla and a few other experimental turbos from tc.com. There really wasnt a whole lot of thought put into them. We got about 400hp out of one with a 12.01 @ 114. With a blown head gasket. Here is a post a while back describing how the eliminator and killer turbo was designed. The same principle goes for the godzilla. I tuned the first godzilla made so I know a little history. But its best summed up with this post.


Here's a couple facts for ya Black Majic...... get a beer , sit down .......

I beleive that Robert @ FP is an engineer.
*according to the president of TC.com*
I graduated high school with PRE-ALGERBRA before enlisting.
There are no engineer's that work at TC.com currently.
The T-28 Killer was MY idea. How did I think of it ?
I believe after a beer or four up at TC.com sitting at my desk , I got this wild hair in my ass after looking over one of the "mutts" that had come in for repair....... "Hmmmmmmmm. I wonder if I could change that there compressor Housing on that there T-28 & have Juan (machinest in back)
cut it to match dat der Big16G compressor wheel...?"

The only Compressor housing that would fit with minimal machining was the T-3 housing off of a old nissan turbo. It did not have the nipple on it to "bolt up" to a 2G so Tommy had the idea to cut them off of customers T-25's compressor housing's & have Al (welder) weld them on to the compressor housing.

We had to name it so I named it the "Big T-28 Killer" . (this happened about beer #7 or 8 ..... I don't remember) :evil:

"The Eliminator"
So after customers complaining about there Turbine housings glowing white hot on the unported versions that we sold ........(even some we did{see ass candy}) & other problems I was again sitting up at work one afternoon & I got a phone call.
This customer was a Moderator for the MachV forum..... "MLS CROWE"
He was asking me ...."For the price of a Killer , why wouldn't I just go ahead & get the install kit & get a 2G install kit & a Big 16G , 20G, Godzilla/46 trim, ?"
He then said " Jeeze I wish I could just bolt on a TDO5H series turbo on my 2G"

I snarked my beer........... He was on to something......
So I thought & I went & pulled one of the pre made T-3 compressor housings fromthe shelf & grabbed a big 16G off the shelf & held it up & thought about the orientation under the hood of a 2G & walla !!!!!!
The thing was created after a day or so.......
The Name "Eliminator" was James Moutons idea. It was named after it's abilty to eliminate the need for a 2G install kit for the 2G.

Not a whole lotta thought went into these turbos ........ No real consideration was taken for efficiancy or anything like that...........Just a little beer. :wink:

I dont know this for a fact but the tre turbo is 99% likely to be from tc.com.They stock prolly 60% of the big name guys like buschur for example. The housing is just too small to flow worth a shit. It gets real hot and will crack easily. The big16 would be a better buy. With just about the same power. Shit I smoked one that I tuned ((2g)same tuning technics) with my 14b 1g car. I really wasnt impressed with it at all. Do like the guy said above, get something from agp or fp. You will be alot more happy with the results.