Messed up struts? Springs?

[FearlessNick]

Dear Mod, this a 1998 2g Eclipse RS. I think this is maybe the "4g63 thread" Well my tapatalk app would not let me post in "420a handling" thread. If you feel the need to switch it please do. Thank you.

Well it has come time where my tires are warn. And i have had them for about 5-6 months i think. Will check invoice in bit. As mileage i would think around 5-6,000. They are low pro tires on 18's. Do they really last that long?

What happened was i was engine breaking. As well as on the break a little coming up to a sharp left turn. Well i was going to fast when it came time to turn. I guess i didn't have the right enough tread on their. So i slide off the road a little. And came to where my driver side tires were on pavement. And then my passenger side tires were in dirt.

Well, their was a part where this road is added on. And i came up to a step up. And it was about 3-4 inches high. My front wheel hits it and then my back. My alignment was off before. But this made it a little worse.

The passenger side of my car is leaning over. And the driver side is up more.

Any ideas?

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[jtmcinder]

Your post is very hard to read, but it sounds like you're saying the car now has strange camber on one side. If so, then remove the wheels and check the control arms. Your car doesn't have struts, so camber is not a shocks or springs issue, other than the camber change from lowering.

 

[FearlessNick]

Well my pops said their mc ferson struts or how ever you spell it. And im sorry for it being hard to read. I dont have a computer now. All i can use is my tapatalk app.

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[Bricktop]

In all honesty this kind of stuff is hard to figure out from discription. The best thing I can tell you to do is take the wheels and tires off, and compare both sides. Look for bent stuff, check your tie rod ends ect.

 

[jtmcinder]

Well my pops said their mc ferson struts or how ever you spell it.

Tell him to go out and take a look and get back to us.

 

[Jeff99GS]

You could have hit hard enough to knock the spring perch down the shock tube causing the car to sit lower on the Pass side. This will also make the pass side have negative camber due to being lower now.

The spring perch is just pressed on to the shock tube. So when hit with enough force they can slid down.

Jack up the car and pull the wheels off. You will see the spring and shock. Look for signs of the perch being slid down...Like scratch marks or looseness of the perch

 

[FearlessNick]

Will do guys!

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[FearlessNick]

Well im driving around right now. And when ever my back passenger tire hits something i hear like a scratching noise. So think that seat snapped.

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[jtmcinder]

I've never heard of the perch snapping off an OE shock, but I'm ready for a first time. Much more like is that you bent a control arm or trashed the shock. I'm still not sure if the car is merely listing to one side or has nasty camber issues.

 

[bjones18]

1. we highly recommend spell check and/or upgrading your english. it reflects on everyones opinion of who you are.
2. tire wear is a function of how much time the tire spends sliding as opposed to rolling, and proper orientation (alignment) to the road. Also the tire compound. is important, hard ( and silica based) tires last longer but offer little to no grip.
3. going off the road as described is most likely understeer, thus to fast for driver skill not tire tread, unless it was wet pavement.
4. hitting 3-4 inch obsacle, and subsequent damage. I would look for bent rim, tire bulges, broken spring, or subframe damage.

 

[FearlessNick]

1. we highly recommend spell check and/or upgrading your english. it reflects on everyones opinion of who you are.
2. tire wear is a function of how much time the tire spends sliding as opposed to rolling, and proper orientation (alignment) to the road. Also the tire compound. is important, hard ( and silica based) tires last longer but offer little to no grip.
3. going off the road as described is most likely understeer, thus to fast for driver skill not tire tread, unless it was wet pavement.
4. hitting 3-4 inch obsacle, and subsequent damage. I would look for bent rim, tire bulges, broken spring, or subframe damage.

Sorry, I will start checking on my spelling while I am posting. Especially when you are in a thread with me. Already checked the rims, as well as tires. But I have not taking off my tires. I am taking it to a shop tomorrow because I do not have the time to check stuff out. And yes it just stopped raining before I slid. And I did not have time to catch it. And I usually take that corner at that speed. But the ground was to wet and I did not think at the time.

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[FearlessNick]

I've never heard of the perch snapping off an OE shock, but I'm ready for a first time. Much more like is that you bent a control arm or trashed the shock. I'm still not sure if the car is merely listing to one side or has nasty camber issues.

The NAPA sense tracks.

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[jtmcinder]

The combination of the last two posts is rather ironic.

One last time before I give up: is the whole car leaning to one side? Yes or no.

 

[FearlessNick]

The combination of the last two posts is rather ironic.

One last time before I give up: is the whole car leaning to one side? Yes or no.

Yes, the passenger side.

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[95AWD6Bolt]

Well i was going to fast

Slow the F down and this wont happen.

 

[jtmcinder]

Yes, the passenger side.

Progress. Woo hoo.

Have you pulled the wheels off and looked at the suspension?

 

[jtmcinder]

Slow the F down and this wont happen.

You must be confusing the OP with FearfulNick. This is the guy not expected to last as long (but we're going to try to help him while he's still around).

 

[bjones18]

don't worry about me. and don't worry about apologizing. learn or take the lump.

Your main concern is the damage, if you take it to someone have them show you the damage on the car. This way it may make sense to you what happened.

Pit crews and service centers are expensive.

 

[FearlessNick]

Well iner tie rod on the left front is real bad. I can move it around with about two inches of play.

Where it clamps on the bottom of the strut, it is loose and slides up and down and is interfering with my cv boot.

My back tires are really out of alignment. And they are dragging along. As well as my front is bad.

And I need a new sway bar kit.

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[jtmcinder]

Can I be blunt?

Yes?

Thanks.

You need to stop using words that you don't know. We can't help you if you do that because you end up saying things that don't make any sense at all.

What? You don't understand what I mean?

Well, for example, the "inner tie rod" doesn't come anywhere near the "strut." It''s the outer tie rod that connects to the knuckle.

What's also confusing is how the problem seems to keep changing. I thought I got a straight answer that the car was listing (leaning) to one side, but now we're talking about steering bits that have no effect at all on how the car sits.

Please take pictures or have someone who knows the correct terms write your next post. I want to help, but this is incredibly frustrating.

 

[goodbuds]

ha

 

[FearlessNick]

Can I be blunt?

Yes?

Thanks.

You need to stop using words that you don't know. We can't help you if you do that because you end up saying things that don't make any sense at all.

What? You don't understand what I mean?

Well, for example, the "inner tie rod" doesn't come anywhere near the "strut." It''s the outer tie rod that connects to the knuckle.

What's also confusing is how the problem seems to keep changing. I thought I got a straight answer that the car was listing (leaning) to one side, but now we're talking about steering bits that have no effect at all on how the car sits.

Please take pictures or have someone who knows the correct terms write your next post. I want to help, but this is incredibly frustrating.

Took it to a alignment shop. And I'm trying to get use to this new phone.

I told them to do a full inspection on the steering and suspension system's. And this is what they came up with.

They think the reason why it is leaning is because of how the strut slipped out of the bottom clamp. So that's the reason for the front.

And the back, the reason why it is so low is because it needs to be aligned really bad.

My pops owns a shop. So within the next week I'm going to get it on the lift. And replace the parts that need to be replaced.

Once again I'm sorry for miss spelling terms and making it hard to understand.

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[jtmcinder]

OK. That makes some sense. A front shock slide down in its lower bracket. Yes, that would make the entire car lean to that side.

(In contrast, the alignment will not cause leaning. Your car might need an alignment, but that's not the cause of the leaning. If the shop said that, consider going elsewhere.)

Out of curiosity, if the shop saw that the shock had slid down in the bracket, why didn't they loosen the bracket, slide the shock back up, and retighten it?

 

[knochgoon24]

Once again I'm sorry for miss spelling terms and making it hard to understand.

It's not the misspelling (<-- the correct spelling by the way) of the terms that are causing problems, it's that you're using terms the wrong way.

If your tie rod had 2" of play in it, it wouldn't be attached. It connects your steering rack to the knuckle. Nothing to do with the shock.

And while the front shock can slip through that forked end, there's a metal tab welded on the back of the shock to stop that from happening. Once again, if this had 2" of play, it wouldn't be attached. Maybe the tab broke off and it the shock slipped down.

The sway bars aren't affecting your alignment. If there's something wrong with them, you don't need a "sway bar kit," you'd need to get new sway bar end links.


I can't follow any of what you're saying. If just doesn't make sense.


You'll have fun ordering parts if you have no clue what anything is called.

 

[FearlessNick]

Out of curiosity, if the shop saw that the shock had slid down in the bracket, why didn't they loosen the bracket, slide the shock back up, and retighten it?

I just went there to get a quote. It was free. So I took it up to tell me what was wrong. Lol


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