Lowering a dsm AND having a soft ride, how?

[MysticMarine]

Gentlemen,

I want to lower my uno-G DSM with coilovers but I don't want a stiff ride, is this possible AND who makes the kit?

Thanks,
-A

 

[willnatale]

i dont know to much about the different brands but if you dont want a stiff ride you will have to spend the money on the hole kit dont get the coil over sleeves because they will be really stiff

 

[rb26alpha]

the springs is what make it stiff of bumpy! Ill take stiff over a ride the bounces up and down. I find the H&

 

[MysticMarine]

I'll spend the money, that's fine. How much are we talking about?

 

[rb26alpha]

The springs is what make the ride hard or soft. Ill take a ride more on the hard side the way to soft. You dont want to go bouncing down the road as if your springs were cut. Make you sea sick. I find the h&r springs make for a good ride but will give you a low profile. Tokico shocks is good but many to choose from. If your worried about bottoming out then get coilovers so you can adjust your height. More expensive. You pay for what you get!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jtmcinder]

the springs is what make it stiff of bumpy!

Buzz.

No. It's the shocks and/or running out of travel that ruins the ride. Springs are the least of the problem.

 

[untouchablecc]

I have a set of Tokico springs and they ride like stock but the only problem is it crushes the car. 2inch drop. I have the Eibach pro kit and its a nice kit but too stiff with the Prothane suspension. I know your interested in coil overs but just a thought.

 

[jtmcinder]

Tokico shocks is good but many to choose from.

Buzz 2.

Tokicos might be better than some Asian crap, but they still have a lot of high-speed compression damping, which is what hurts the ride. Konis would be better. Bilsteins would probably be the best OTS option.

 

[Johng322]

i dont know to much about the different brands but if you dont want a stiff ride you will have to spend the money on the hole kit dont get the coil over sleeves because they will be really stiff

That is very incorrect. The sleeves themselves have no effect on stifness or ride quality. The spring rates, available suspension travel, and shocks will have the largest effect on the ride quality.

 

[rb26alpha]

Thats what i said and unless you have had different suspension parts on your car you would know. Its all about the springs you get and how hard or stiff they are. Read into differenet ones and they will tell you! Research.. Go back to stock if you want a smooth ride

 

[Ozone302]

It's gonna be difficult to lower without compensating a smooth ride. Springs AND shocks will affect the ride. I've had eibach and h&r springs. Both were pretty stiff but I think the eibachs were a little bit smoother. I also had kyb and tokico shocks. The tokicos were the blue d-spec or whatever theyre called and they were stiff because they're designed for lowered cars. I liked them though. Kyb's were ok.

Basically, any spring or shock that's designed to lower or for lowered cars is gonna be stiff to prevent the car from bottoming out. So your gonna have to pretty much deal with it or don't lower it.

 

[jtmcinder]

This train-wreck needs to stop.

It's not the sleeves. It's not the springs. It's the shocks and/or running out of travel. With good shocks, you can double or even triple the spring-rate and still have a smooth ride (in terms of what feels good to humans inside the car).

 

[jtmcinder]

The tokicos were the blue d-spec or whatever theyre called and they were stiff because they're designed for lowered cars.

What makes you say that Tokico HPs (blues) are "designed for lowered cars"?

 

[Ozone302]

What makes you say that Tokico HPs (blues) are "designed for lowered cars"?

They're good for lowered cars. Maybe I worded it wrong

 

[jtmcinder]

OK. Then why do you think that they're good for lowered cars? Compared to what? And how are the different from, e.g., the OE GR2s?

 

[rb26alpha]

Your crazy to say the shocks hold your car up. Crazy!!!!! This isnt a truck shocks is what holds the wait of your car from front to back. I shouldnt have to explain

 

[my dreamt dsm]

I think it's each their own.. depending on your butt and neck My car is slammed on tein basics and don't notice a difference at all. My mom rides with me sometimes and she can't even tell my car is drop. When my buddies ride with me. They can't tell either. It feels just like stock... for me or course.

 

[rb26alpha]

You can try ten different shocks with the same set of springs and you wont nottice the difference. But the same set of shocks in and try different shcokd form shitty to stiff and tell me theres no difference

 

[BoredDSM]

Simply put shocks and struts are what absorb energy and prevent the majority of it going into the chassis and being felt by the driver. This is what my understanding of a harsh ride is. Shocks or struts are what control lateral movement of a suspension system where springs are just used to carry the weight of a vehicle and aid the shock absober to return to its full length of travel. Valving inside a shock or strut controls how fast oil or gas travels from one chamber to another thus controlling the ride quality. You put shorter springs to control how far a shock can travel. You can use a shorter shock to lower ride height but then you would be changing the spring rate and bringing the spring closer binding and bottoming out.

To have the ideal ride quality you would have to have the shock absorbers valved for your specific application. Most low quality aftrmarket coilovers do not offer adjustability, so the BEST option would be to have someone valve it closer to your application and adjust from there. By this I mean best ride quality and not best value money wise.

 

[rb26alpha]

Soft springs youll bounce around, stiff springs it will handle like and pro but fell in in your spine. Try to get in the middle then put your stock springs back in, the end!! THEY DONT OFFER ADJUSTABILITY BECAUSE YOU CAN ADJUST THE RIDE HIEGHT WITH COILOVERS WHICH WILL GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT RIDE

 

[jtmcinder]

You can try ten different shocks with the same set of springs and you wont nottice the difference.

You need to stop right now.

 

[rb26alpha]

I dont think the after market springs out there are much of a different unless there adjustable like konigs and such

 

[Ozone302]

OK. Then why do you think that they're good for lowered cars? Compared to what? And how are the different from, e.g., the OE GR2s?

Dude calm down. They're stiffer so the car doesn't bottom out because it's lowered. No need to get your panties in a bunch because people don't have the same opinion as you.

Shocks and springs control the ride. The end.

 

[rb26alpha]

Jtm, i guess i agree to disagree

Painties arent in a bunch over little things, its amazing how words can come out in a text

 

[jtmcinder]

Simply put shocks and struts are what absorb energy and prevent the majority of it going into the chassis and being felt by the driver. This is what my understanding of a harsh ride is.

That's sort of close. The real issue is the damping ratio. The higher the damping ratio, the less the low-frequency inputs are transmitted to the chassis, but the more the high frequency inputs are transmitted. That's why a car with stiff shocks feels stable with regard to slow roll, etc, from steering and such, but feels nasty with regard to cracks or bumps in the pavement.

Shocks or struts are what control lateral movement of a suspension system ...

I assume you mean vertical, not lateral, yes?