Lost of power Lots of Oil and HUGE White SMoke Out The Exhaust...

[1997RS]

My 1991 GSX Lost power and lots of Oil and HUGE White Smoke Out The Exhaust...
There is a bunch of oil on top of valve cover gasket, I pulled each of my spark wires but they are all dry no oil in them. I have lots of oil on the front side of the motor all the way to the ground. Car starts and you can move it a couple of feets and shuts off not to start again. When i start it for 2 minutes I can no longer see out my car it is covered in white smoke all around my car. Did I break something or did a seal come off??? I need suggestions as to what to look for in this situation. I am confused though as to why in the world this happened. I been told I spun bearings, I need Piston Rings, I have a cracked head. All 3 were said by 3 different guys. What is the actual problem that I am facing here. My dad thinks I need a new motor. I think a head gasket (not so sure though) There seems to be no oil in water or water in oil. The car has 170,000 and I've had it for 5 weeks BAD A$$ LUCK HERE Help??? The day before I brought an Fuel Filter to make a Oil Catch Can out of it since I read that somewhere here and brought the exact same one has another person here has and installed it just like his. I left this morning and 15 miles down the road I felt like dropping to 4 from 5 gear and got on it when all of the sudden I look back and have lots of oil and lost of power I shift to 5 and still no power gain I drove to work 2 more miles ahead the car could barely pull its own weight adn shuts off right where I needed it to do so wont start but sure cranks. It fires up and all but I cant have it for more than 15seconds otherwise I'd be killing my neighbors dog . On the Breather side (where I installed the Fuel Filter) it was blowing white smoke thru it and the Fuel Filter had blown out of it too. I figure I had to much pressure built inside when all happened. Sorry for all of the reading but I just tried to make you guys feel like if you were there so that I can get a better feedback instead. Thank You Guys. I'd appreciate it if anyone could help me here and guide me on what to do. Experienced Hands On DSM'rs please.

George

 

[SHicksRUS]

George,
I think there's a good chance your piston return seals are shot. Having those replaced is not terribly expensive but sometimes it necessitates the replacement of your coil pack cooling unit as well. I sure hope it's not your coil pack cooler.
-Steve

 

[1997RS]

Steve,

Thank You for your reply. I am so sad that this happened to me I sure dont know for sure yet what happened. Would it be a good Idea to Rebuild my engine??? or Replace it??? What do you think I should do Steve, What would the difference in price be??? Where can I start looking for a Crate Motor or Rebuild Kit??? Thanks Steve.

George

 

[1997RS]

Steve, I forgot to ask where is the coil pack cooling unit???

 

[Strm Trpr]

You guys suck............
An inoperating PCV valve will allow too much pressure to build in the crankcase, but I've never heard of all that BS you guys are shoveling....

 

[1997RS]

Why do you think we suck?

 

[1997RS]

You guys suck............
An inoperating PCV valve will allow too much pressure to build in the crankcase, but I've never heard of all that BS you guys are shoveling....

Have you ever heard of a spun bearing??? Have you read the entire info???

 

[Strm Trpr]

Have you ever heard of a spun bearing??? Have you read the entire info???

Yes and Yes....

This post is bullsh!t....

George,
I think there's a good chance your piston return seals are shot. Having those replaced is not terribly expensive but sometimes it necessitates the replacement of your coil pack cooling unit as well. I sure hope it's not your coil pack cooler.
-Steve

So whatever, have your laugh.... I'm out..... Unsubscribed.....

 

[92awddsm]

There is no such thing as piston return seals or coil cooler. Thats what the bs is.

Do you hear any tapping or knocking coming from the motor? If not, its not a bearing. Check the turbo for shaft play and do a compression check. Then get back to us with your findings for further diagnosis.

 

[GSTurbo92]

Wow.......................some people should not own dsm's :thumbdown

 

[Strm Trpr]

Here's my theory if what they say happened is correct.
They did say they lost a ton of oil and white smoke out of the exhaust.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but perhaps they were referring to the Oil Cooler, sounds very similar to Coil Cooler.

How do you lose a ton of oil... the oil cooler falls off?.... You lose all of your oil, and most of the coolant right.....

So if the driver wasn't aware that his oil light was lit, and his temp gauge was pegged, then you know the rest....

FUBAR

 

[1997RS]

92awddsm... Thanks...

I did check my Turbo and there is no shaft play at all in and out motion from it aswell, although I did find Lots of oil accumulated on the inlet side of the Turbo as I removed the intake hose... I took a good look at around the cams since the sprockets are covered in oil from the valve cover side and noticed that the Cam Seals could have possibly ware out or something. there is oil from what I saw that had possibly come out the cam seals and gotten to the sprocket possibly spreading it all over that area of the engine. But that doesnt explain to me the oil found in the Turbo. I was told by a guy from o'reillys that I could have blown the turbo by having oil going thru it along with air since is forcing air it could have forced oil into my intake causing it to form Huge White Smoke from going into the pistons but I doubt I need rings though. My Turbo spins great could it still be bad???

George

 

[92awddsm]

The seals could be bad in the turbo but it is unlikely if it has no play and spinns smoothly.

Do you still have the vc breather hose still attached to the intake tube? If so, remove the hose and just install a filter on the nipple of the valve cover. Make sure you plug the hole in the intake pipe. It could have also been a bad/stuck pcv valve causing oil to be sucked in at idle/ part throttle. It could also cause oil to be blown from everywhere if the crankcase was pressurized when in boost/wot.

 

[1997RS]

Good Point 92awd...

I will be putting a filter for the valve cover, now I did have replaced the PCV Sunday evening so it is brand new could it gone bad??? I couldnt blow thru the old one neither side of it and on the new one it blew one way but not the other like it should could it still gone bad??? Also is it possible for me to remove the oil from the Turbo (compresor wheel) without having to rebuild it like the o'reilly guy says I will need to??? How can I remove the oil from the Turbo if rebuilding is not neccessary??? Should I remove it and if so what auto parts store would carry a gasket set for the tdo5??? I think I know of Arkansas Turbo near Little Rock but am not sure if they sell turbo gaskets I'd imagine they do though... I need to defenectly replace the Cam Seals but probably wont do it until I get the Turbo cleaned and Intercooler aswell unless I need a Turbo Rebuild then that would be something else hu... How long could it take me to remove the Turbo??? Oh! BTW there was oil inside the intake from where the hose of the valve cover had bled oil in there and probably caused oil in thru the Turbo that way maybe causing damage to the Turbo... Could that be a possibility??? Thanks for your help... I appreciate this feedback a bunch Thanks.

George

 

[1997RS]

My coolant and radiator are fine unless there is something I am missing here but I have oil all over and no coolant Thanks.

 

[Strm Trpr]

You said that you replaced the PCV valve Sunday evening.
Did you drive the car after you replaced the PCV?
Did you happen to do an Oil Change on Sunday too?
Could it be possible that too much oil was in the engine?
Our engines take 4.5qts of oil w/new oil filter.

Being that your old PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) didn't work properly, (like I said 5 posts down from the top), the crankcase will over-pressurize and allow oil to be forced out of the VC and into the intake tract just before the turbo.
That's possibly why there's oil in the compressor housing.
The oil then got blown into the IC and probably all the way up to the TB, into the intake, and then into the engine causing white/bluish smoke to pour out of the exhaust.
Check the IC and all of the piping, you may have to clean everything out.

This happened to another guy just a couple weeks ago on a freshly rebuilt 6-bolt.
Turned out his engine lost a lot of power and blew smoke out of the exhaust.
Turned out he had a lot of oil in his IC.

I apologize for being rude earlier, but it just sounded like you 2 guys were trying to pull our leg with comments like these "Piston Return Rings" and "Coil Pack Cooler".
Keep us posted, we'd all like to help out a fellow DSM'er....

Peace

 

[1997RS]

I am taking photos of the are and everything that got soaked in Oil also the Sprokets showing Oil right after I had cleaned it Sunday too. I didnt change my oil since it was done recently. Aslo the oil mark line on the dip stick was Good. I called a local Turbo shop (Arkansas Turbo) and spoke with them about the problem explained everything from when I got on the gas to where oil came out as I lost power gradually. They say that my Turbo bearings are shot causing a huge white smoke outback. I would like to know if I can take the oil from within the inlet side of the turbo out without removing the turbo if not what are my options. is 750 for an 16g any good??? I would rather replace my Turbo if it is damage rather than rebuild it since I had plans to do so before everything happened I do have a T3/T4 that I would trade for a evo3 turbo!!! If anyone interested let me know I will send photos it is Brand New never installed still in box... 92awddsm you have been of great help, what are my other options as far as the turbo having no shaft play (the guys at arkansas turbo told me that even with no shaft play I could have still damaged the beargings and oil is getting into the engine blablabla is this true???)

George

 

[92awddsm]

How many times do I need to say this.

WHITE SMOKE IS COOLANT BEING BURNED.

Pull your head, and I'm sure your going to find that you blew your HG and all your extra boost (power) is going out other ways, not into the combustion chamber.

I'm sure your boost blew into a OIL passage, and caused it to blow through the crankcase and all over.

PULL THE DAMN HEAD and look.

If you know soo much, tell him to do a compression test before he pulls the head. Im sure he would be really pissed if he pulled the head and it wasnt a hg problem. But you said it was so will you pay for the gaskets and labor for just pulling the head and reinstalling it?

And yes, Ive seen white oil smoke so that means there are exceptions to your rule.

 

[1997RS]

Hope is not the "HG"

Lets hope is something like the Turbo rather than Rings, HG, Etc.

Thank You all. I will keep everyone posted upon the compression test.

George

 

[1997RS]

I just got thru with my compression test and they read from Left to Right looking at the car from the Front... What the heck this means????

Piston 1
140

Piston 2
140

Piston 3
85

Piston 4
0

on the fourth one I tried and tried but no luck not even a 5. What does all this means and how can I fix this problem???

George

 

[Strm Trpr]

More than likely I think Hakcenter is right, a blown head gasket....

 

[1997RS]

I do too but still having oil in my Turbo inlet... Would it have damaged it??? I think it is ok but having oil where is not suppose to would it have damaged it though. What all would I need to replace the head gasket??? Maybe things like the Valve Cover and such what all would I need???

George

 

[1997RS]

I meant Gaskets and Tools Etc. Thanks.
If I start tomorrow Saturday would I be good to go for Monday???

 

[koenigseggCC7]

ok i just had the same thing happen to me:

i was driving to syracuse n all of a sudden my temp gauge spiked outta nowhere n my oil light came on, i start losing power bad (like it was floored goin 20 on an interstate), so i finally pull over n it stalls. there is oil EVERYWHERE, and the car cranks but doesnt start.

so a week later i go to tow it home and it starts up n runs hard for a minute or so, and then it idles fine....but with huge amounts of white smoke coming from the exhaust

i just want to make 100% sure that this is the head gasket before i start seriously looking at new motors

also, is there any other damage it couldve sustained from the head gasket blowing?

 

[1997RS]

Well looks like am going to have to pull the head next weekend... I just got a call friday to pick up some tools that I needed for this job to get done and walla smoke comes out the other eclipse I now have to bad a$$ smoking eclipse although the car shuts off and when I fired her back up bluish smoke comes out the exhaust. I fixed it since oil was coming out my intake unto my air filter :thumbdown I had a bad PCV and did timing in it just because it was past time for me to do one. I already knew about the bluish smoke coming out the intake it had happened to me before while autocrossing but then it was worst. Anyways, as soon as I get to pull the head next weekend for my 91 gsx I will snap photos and post them for all to see and give me heads up am thinking of rebuilding my engine with Top Line Engine Rebuild it is not that bad in price and since I want the internals stock for the next 2 years I think is a good price $450. anyone knows of cheaper let me know please Thanks.

George